Ok, I change my forecast, we'll be lucky to win one game this year.

(11-11-2020 10:44 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:38 PM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:37 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:30 PM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  Disappointing game, but team is young and the recruits keep coming up huge. Future is bright, but it is going to take a year or so. I hope next Fall we get it together, but that feels optimistic right now.

Keep telling yourself that. This is a dumpster fire. People will be wishing for Rod Carey soon. Hammock is not the guy. Sad, but true.

OK i will, I have the faith

And to complete the evening, the always positive “niubrad” returns to the board after a 3 year hiatus.

WE CAN STILL WIN THIS ONE. ;-)

So........

Jim Harbaugh will be homeless next year lol

(11-11-2020 10:34 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Where was our screen pass tonight?

That still involves catching the ball, unfortunately.

(11-11-2020 10:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:43 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:29 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:22 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:17 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Who cares? They won the MAC and put another trophy in the case. That is all that matters. This current NIU team is garbage and won’t win anything for a very long time.

How good are you expecting a team with 64 freshman and a lot of them starting to be?

McElwain took a CMU team with one win in 2018 to the MACC last season. NIU is embarking on what looks like a multiple year rebuild and that is assuming of course Hammock ends up being a good coach, which right now who knows. This isn’t 1998, NIU shouldn’t be a doormat in the MAC for multiple seasons.

If the score holds the tonight you are looking at three blowout losses at home for NIU now in its last four MAC games. That is a complete collapse of the program.

Look at Central Michigan's depth chart last year. In the MAC Championship game they had 5 seniors and 3 juniors starting on offense. Meanwhile NIU has 14 true freshmen and nine redshirt freshmen on the two deep for the CMU game.

Whose idea was that? Did STF make Hammock start freshman? And if that’s the excuse then Hammock shouldn’t be saying - we aren’t waiting, we are winning now.

What great players did NIU lose that didn't come back? Even if Brinkman, Harbison, Heflin, and Lorbeck come back this team still is young and not going to do much. Heflin was the biggest loss. Harbison was not a playmaker and he's not doing much at Charlotte. Its not like Carey left NIU a bunch of good players. Now look at Carey at Temple, he's 1-4 and has lost 6 of his last 8 games.

One thing that Carey understood, I think, is that it seriously helps to have a QB that is a threat on the ground. That can make up for a lack of pass blocking, run game, and WRs that can't get open.

Though it seems like line play has consistently deteriorated since about 2012, except for Sutton Smith.

(11-11-2020 10:54 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:43 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:29 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:22 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  How good are you expecting a team with 64 freshman and a lot of them starting to be?

McElwain took a CMU team with one win in 2018 to the MACC last season. NIU is embarking on what looks like a multiple year rebuild and that is assuming of course Hammock ends up being a good coach, which right now who knows. This isn’t 1998, NIU shouldn’t be a doormat in the MAC for multiple seasons.

If the score holds the tonight you are looking at three blowout losses at home for NIU now in its last four MAC games. That is a complete collapse of the program.

Look at Central Michigan's depth chart last year. In the MAC Championship game they had 5 seniors and 3 juniors starting on offense. Meanwhile NIU has 14 true freshmen and nine redshirt freshmen on the two deep for the CMU game.

Whose idea was that? Did STF make Hammock start freshman? And if that’s the excuse then Hammock shouldn’t be saying - we aren’t waiting, we are winning now.

What great players did NIU lose that didn't come back? Even if Brinkman, Harbison, Heflin, and Lorbeck come back this team still is young and not going to do much. Heflin was the biggest loss. Harbison was not a playmaker and he's not doing much at Charlotte. Its not like Carey left NIU a bunch of good players. Now look at Carey at Temple, he's 1-4 and has lost 6 of his last 8 games.

Sutton Smith

How many CMU defenders got into the backfield completely untouched? Just clueless execution. Keystone cops offense.

(11-11-2020 10:50 PM)niu_1087 Wrote:  Really young, lost lots of transfers for some reason, weird Covid season. I expected to be bad.

But this looks to be the worst NIU team I've seen in my 15 years of fandom. Even the fundamental aspects of the game are executed so poorly, you'd really think we were starting a roster of HS freshmen.

15 years?

Yeah. Sure. I was there in the late 90s. It was worse.

Until this team loses 30-something straight games, I don't want to hear anything from anyone that this is the worst NIU team this or that.

And, I'm sorry, I'm not picking on you. But let's be honest, your fandom spans one of, if not the most successful eras in NIU history. It's not really fair to compare any team to that era (especially the first half of that era).

Either way...yeah this team is bad. Its also young and inexperienced so its hard to tell exactly how good or bad they are. But, it is painfully obvious...this is not fun to watch.

(11-11-2020 10:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  One thing that Carey understood, I think, is that it seriously helps to have a QB that is a threat on the ground. That can make up for a lack of pass blocking, run game, and WRs that can't get open.

Though it seems like line play has consistently deteriorated since about 2012, except for Sutton Smith.

We had one of the better d lines with Corcoran and Helfin. Ben LeRoy was pretty good.

I love the sideways pass call on 3rd and 8.

(11-11-2020 10:55 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:54 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:43 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:29 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  McElwain took a CMU team with one win in 2018 to the MACC last season. NIU is embarking on what looks like a multiple year rebuild and that is assuming of course Hammock ends up being a good coach, which right now who knows. This isn’t 1998, NIU shouldn’t be a doormat in the MAC for multiple seasons.

If the score holds the tonight you are looking at three blowout losses at home for NIU now in its last four MAC games. That is a complete collapse of the program.

Look at Central Michigan's depth chart last year. In the MAC Championship game they had 5 seniors and 3 juniors starting on offense. Meanwhile NIU has 14 true freshmen and nine redshirt freshmen on the two deep for the CMU game.

Whose idea was that? Did STF make Hammock start freshman? And if that’s the excuse then Hammock shouldn’t be saying - we aren’t waiting, we are winning now.

What great players did NIU lose that didn't come back? Even if Brinkman, Harbison, Heflin, and Lorbeck come back this team still is young and not going to do much. Heflin was the biggest loss. Harbison was not a playmaker and he's not doing much at Charlotte. Its not like Carey left NIU a bunch of good players. Now look at Carey at Temple, he's 1-4 and has lost 6 of his last 8 games.

Sutton Smith

He bet on himself and lost big time.

(11-11-2020 10:54 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:43 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:29 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:22 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  How good are you expecting a team with 64 freshman and a lot of them starting to be?

McElwain took a CMU team with one win in 2018 to the MACC last season. NIU is embarking on what looks like a multiple year rebuild and that is assuming of course Hammock ends up being a good coach, which right now who knows. This isn’t 1998, NIU shouldn’t be a doormat in the MAC for multiple seasons.

If the score holds the tonight you are looking at three blowout losses at home for NIU now in its last four MAC games. That is a complete collapse of the program.

Look at Central Michigan's depth chart last year. In the MAC Championship game they had 5 seniors and 3 juniors starting on offense. Meanwhile NIU has 14 true freshmen and nine redshirt freshmen on the two deep for the CMU game.

Whose idea was that? Did STF make Hammock start freshman? And if that’s the excuse then Hammock shouldn’t be saying - we aren’t waiting, we are winning now.

What great players did NIU lose that didn't come back? Even if Brinkman, Harbison, Heflin, and Lorbeck come back this team still is young and not going to do much. Heflin was the biggest loss. Harbison was not a playmaker and he's not doing much at Charlotte. Its not like Carey left NIU a bunch of good players. Now look at Carey at Temple, he's 1-4 and has lost 6 of his last 8 games.

There is no doubt that there was a slow steady decline with Carey. He eventually could/should wind up as an O line coach for a Big Ten team.

(11-11-2020 10:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  One thing that Carey understood, I think, is that it seriously helps to have a QB that is a threat on the ground. That can make up for a lack of pass blocking, run game, and WRs that can't get open.

Though it seems like line play has consistently deteriorated since about 2012, except for Sutton Smith.

Why did he stop recruiting those kinds of QBs that could play FBS football?

This is embarrassing.

I know we're young, but with the new talent we seem to have, seems like a coaching issue. We should lose a few this season, but NOT THIS BAD.

Clean it up Hammock.

(11-11-2020 10:57 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  One thing that Carey understood, I think, is that it seriously helps to have a QB that is a threat on the ground. That can make up for a lack of pass blocking, run game, and WRs that can't get open.

Though it seems like line play has consistently deteriorated since about 2012, except for Sutton Smith.

We had one of the better d lines with Corcoran and Helfin. Ben LeRoy was pretty good.

We seemed to be consistently getting less pressure on the QB after 2012 except for the blip caused by Sutton Smith. Corcoran was decent and so was Heflin but we still didn't get that much pressure on opposing QBs that I remember.

(11-11-2020 10:55 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:54 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Look at Central Michigan's depth chart last year. In the MAC Championship game they had 5 seniors and 3 juniors starting on offense. Meanwhile NIU has 14 true freshmen and nine redshirt freshmen on the two deep for the CMU game.

What great players did NIU lose that didn't come back? Even if Brinkman, Harbison, Heflin, and Lorbeck come back this team still is young and not going to do much. Heflin was the biggest loss. Harbison was not a playmaker and he's not doing much at Charlotte. Its not like Carey left NIU a bunch of good players. Now look at Carey at Temple, he's 1-4 and has lost 6 of his last 8 games.

Sutton Smith

Sutton Smith left before Hammock was our coach.

(11-11-2020 10:58 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:54 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:43 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:29 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  McElwain took a CMU team with one win in 2018 to the MACC last season. NIU is embarking on what looks like a multiple year rebuild and that is assuming of course Hammock ends up being a good coach, which right now who knows. This isn’t 1998, NIU shouldn’t be a doormat in the MAC for multiple seasons.

If the score holds the tonight you are looking at three blowout losses at home for NIU now in its last four MAC games. That is a complete collapse of the program.

Look at Central Michigan's depth chart last year. In the MAC Championship game they had 5 seniors and 3 juniors starting on offense. Meanwhile NIU has 14 true freshmen and nine redshirt freshmen on the two deep for the CMU game.

Whose idea was that? Did STF make Hammock start freshman? And if that’s the excuse then Hammock shouldn’t be saying - we aren’t waiting, we are winning now.

What great players did NIU lose that didn't come back? Even if Brinkman, Harbison, Heflin, and Lorbeck come back this team still is young and not going to do much. Heflin was the biggest loss. Harbison was not a playmaker and he's not doing much at Charlotte. Its not like Carey left NIU a bunch of good players. Now look at Carey at Temple, he's 1-4 and has lost 6 of his last 8 games.

There is no doubt that there was a slow steady decline with Carey. He eventually could/should wind up as an O line coach for a Big Ten team.

It would be unrealistic to think we are a New Years Bowl access team every year. The Orange Bowl was a fairy tale. Going to Bowls and competing for the conference was realistic considering our budget and resources.

Now we are left with whatever this is.

(11-11-2020 10:59 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  One thing that Carey understood, I think, is that it seriously helps to have a QB that is a threat on the ground. That can make up for a lack of pass blocking, run game, and WRs that can't get open.

Though it seems like line play has consistently deteriorated since about 2012, except for Sutton Smith.

Why did he stop recruiting those kinds of QBs that could play FBS football?

It's true, he was not able to recruit a good QB, either a dual option QB or a drop back passer (not sure how much he even tried for a drop back passer).

(11-11-2020 10:54 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:46 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:43 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:29 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:22 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  How good are you expecting a team with 64 freshman and a lot of them starting to be?

McElwain took a CMU team with one win in 2018 to the MACC last season. NIU is embarking on what looks like a multiple year rebuild and that is assuming of course Hammock ends up being a good coach, which right now who knows. This isn’t 1998, NIU shouldn’t be a doormat in the MAC for multiple seasons.

If the score holds the tonight you are looking at three blowout losses at home for NIU now in its last four MAC games. That is a complete collapse of the program.

Look at Central Michigan's depth chart last year. In the MAC Championship game they had 5 seniors and 3 juniors starting on offense. Meanwhile NIU has 14 true freshmen and nine redshirt freshmen on the two deep for the CMU game.

Whose idea was that? Did STF make Hammock start freshman? And if that’s the excuse then Hammock shouldn’t be saying - we aren’t waiting, we are winning now.

What great players did NIU lose that didn't come back? Even if Brinkman, Harbison, Heflin, and Lorbeck come back this team still is young and not going to do much. Heflin was the biggest loss. Harbison was not a playmaker and he's not doing much at Charlotte. Its not like Carey left NIU a bunch of good players. Now look at Carey at Temple, he's 1-4 and has lost 6 of his last 8 games.

Perez and Brinkman alone make the O-line much better.