This also means the Army - BYU game that everyone thought was dead is officially dead since BYU is not available this week or next week and Army has only this week off and games the following 2 weeks.

Interesting to note that in an interview with BYU Sports Nation show the truck driver who took the BYU football equipment to Coastal Carolina said he was told Wednesday night that the team would be playing either @ UCLA or @ Coastal Carolina and they needed to get on the road if they were going to make it to Coastal Carolina in time if that came through. So they quickly loaded all the equipment and began driving towards South Carolina at 9pm Wednesday night. The next morning he woke from a nap while his driving partner was driving and got a text saying the game at Coastal Carolina is on so keep on driving. There is a chance they would have been told the next morning to turn around and head back to Los Angeles!

Let's say that BYU wins today. Who is a good team that would be available that they could play on the 19th or 18th to build their resume?

Liberty?
Oklahoma State?

(12-05-2020 12:52 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Let's say that BYU wins today. Who is a good team that would be available that they could play on the 19th or 18th to build their resume?

Liberty?
Oklahoma State?

I'm honestly not sure there is another game that could be had from the G5/Independent teams that would be of any value anymore--those who are ranked are likely going to be part of their conference championship.

P5 teams still don't seem to be interested in scheduling non-conference games. I'm expecting the schedule to end at 11 games for BYU.

Maybe they sign up to be a fill-in for the Pac-12’s last week. If only an odd-number can play, BYU makes it even. With any luck they might end up playing 5-0 USC.

With the BYU loss, their fate in the bowl picture is pretty much set. I'm not sure I'm seeing a benefit to chasing a Pac-12 backup role for a game on late notice. I'm not sure a win helps and a loss just hurts more.

(12-06-2020 12:42 AM)f1do Wrote:  With the BYU loss, their fate in the bowl picture is pretty much set. I'm not sure I'm seeing a benefit to chasing a Pac-12 backup role for a game on late notice. I'm not sure a win helps and a loss just hurts more.

Yep. A good run and a good team.

(12-01-2020 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 12:37 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 01:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 12:13 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 09:44 AM)whittx Wrote:  But Cincinnati has also beaten Army, UCF, and Memphis...Who has BYU beaten again...

Remind me why people think beating 7-2 Army is a badge of honor when their 7 wins come against 3 FCS teams (Abilene Christian, The Citadel, Mercer who cumulatively have a 1-12 record in the fall), 2 poor teams (0-9 ULM, 3-6 Middle Tennessee), 2 decent teams (7-4 UTSA, 6-4 Georgia Southern), and then a loss to 5-5 Tulane?

BYU destroyed 4-1 Boise State by more than 4 scores. They were ranked prior to the game and as of week 13 are still getting votes in the AP and Coaches polls.

Yes, no matter how you slice it, Cincy's schedule has been a soft schedule. Sagarin has it at #84 right now, and that seems about right.

Yes, it's been tougher than BYU's schedule, which has been very soft. But really, if you're talking about the #84 schedule vs the #110 schedule, you're talking degrees of softness. Not something that merits seven full ranking spots in the CFP.

Cincy's schedule has been soft compared to Texas A&M or Florida. Or Clemson.

But not compared to Ohio State or Notre Dame.

Cincinnati has played 4 opponents who were ranked this year: UCF, Memphis, SMU, Army. And will play two more. Also played a decent opponent in Houston, who was beating BYU until 10 minutes left in the game.

Notre Dame's schedule is similar to Cincinnati's in the number of difficult games (Clemson was obviously a higher level of difficulty). ND played 4 opponents who were ranked this year, two of whom shouldn't have been ranked. Scheduled to play one more ranked team.

Sagarin has Notre Dame's schedule at #55, compared to #84 for Cincy. That's a difference.

There seems to be some spin in your analysis. Teams that were ranked are meaningless because as we all know, things can change and a team we thought was good may not be. That applies to ND and Cincy's schedules.

The difference in ND and Cincy's schedule is Clemson. Cincy has not and will not play anyone anywhere near playoff or even NY6 calibre. They have not faced any tests that tell us they are worthy of the playoffs, and they will not. The only ranked team on their schedule is Tulsa, and let's face it, Tulsa is a terrible example of a ranked team. They are 5-1, and should be 3-3 if it wasn't for abysmal home-cooking refereeing vs ECU and literally a miracle hail-mary vs Tulane. They just aren't any good.

In contrast, when you play Clemson you play a playoff/NY6 level team, a real test of your worthiness.

That's the issue I have with Cincy as a playoff contender. Unlike all the other playoff contenders, they have not and will not face any NY6-level opponents who we can gauge them against. Notre Dame has already played Clemson, and they will play Clemson again, while Cincy plays .... Tulsa.

On that point, overall SOS can be deceptive. For example, let's say team X has played four FCS opponents but also Florida and Alabama. Team Y has played six opponents all about as good as Tulsa or Memphis. Because the FCS teams are so bad, the overall SOS of Team Y is likely to be stronger than Team X. But, Team X has played two NY6-level challenges while Team Y has played zero.

An NY6-level team shouldn't have any trouble going 6-0 against a bunch of Memphises and Tulsas. But a NY6-level team is likely to suffer a loss, or even two, playing Alabama and Florida. The latter schedule is much more fraught with danger than the former.

I agree that the Clemson game is a big difference.

But the rest of the Notre Dame schedule is weaker than Cincinnati's. I think we can all agree that there's a difference between a hard "schedule" and a hard "game."

Computer rankings are pretty much useless in a season with so few out-of-conference games.

(12-01-2020 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 12:37 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 01:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 12:13 PM)f1do Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 09:44 AM)whittx Wrote:  But Cincinnati has also beaten Army, UCF, and Memphis...Who has BYU beaten again...

Remind me why people think beating 7-2 Army is a badge of honor when their 7 wins come against 3 FCS teams (Abilene Christian, The Citadel, Mercer who cumulatively have a 1-12 record in the fall), 2 poor teams (0-9 ULM, 3-6 Middle Tennessee), 2 decent teams (7-4 UTSA, 6-4 Georgia Southern), and then a loss to 5-5 Tulane?

BYU destroyed 4-1 Boise State by more than 4 scores. They were ranked prior to the game and as of week 13 are still getting votes in the AP and Coaches polls.

Yes, no matter how you slice it, Cincy's schedule has been a soft schedule. Sagarin has it at #84 right now, and that seems about right.

Yes, it's been tougher than BYU's schedule, which has been very soft. But really, if you're talking about the #84 schedule vs the #110 schedule, you're talking degrees of softness. Not something that merits seven full ranking spots in the CFP.

Cincy's schedule has been soft compared to Texas A&M or Florida. Or Clemson.

But not compared to Ohio State or Notre Dame.

Cincinnati has played 4 opponents who were ranked this year: UCF, Memphis, SMU, Army. And will play two more. Also played a decent opponent in Houston, who was beating BYU until 10 minutes left in the game.

Notre Dame's schedule is similar to Cincinnati's in the number of difficult games (Clemson was obviously a higher level of difficulty). ND played 4 opponents who were ranked this year, two of whom shouldn't have been ranked. Scheduled to play one more ranked team.

Sagarin has Notre Dame's schedule at #55, compared to #84 for Cincy. That's a difference.

There seems to be some spin in your analysis. Teams that were ranked are meaningless because as we all know, things can change and a team we thought was good may not be. That applies to ND and Cincy's schedules.

The difference in ND and Cincy's schedule is Clemson. Cincy has not and will not play anyone anywhere near playoff or even NY6 calibre. They have not faced any tests that tell us they are worthy of the playoffs, and they will not. The only ranked team on their schedule is Tulsa, and let's face it, Tulsa is a terrible example of a ranked team. They are 5-1, and should be 3-3 if it wasn't for abysmal home-cooking refereeing vs ECU and literally a miracle hail-mary vs Tulane. They just aren't any good.

In contrast, when you play Clemson you play a playoff/NY6 level team, a real test of your worthiness.

That's the issue I have with Cincy as a playoff contender. Unlike all the other playoff contenders, they have not and will not face any NY6-level opponents who we can gauge them against. Notre Dame has already played Clemson, and they will play Clemson again, while Cincy plays .... Tulsa.

On that point, overall SOS can be deceptive. For example, let's say team X has played four FCS opponents but also Florida and Alabama. Team Y has played six opponents all about as good as Tulsa or Memphis. Because the FCS teams are so bad, the overall SOS of Team Y is likely to be stronger than Team X. But, Team X has played two NY6-level challenges while Team Y has played zero.

An NY6-level team shouldn't have any trouble going 6-0 against a bunch of Memphises and Tulsas. But a NY6-level team is likely to suffer a loss, or even two, playing Alabama and Florida. The latter schedule is much more fraught with danger than the former.

I agree with you overall, Quo. But two things:

* For you to note Tulsa "isn't any good" ... that seems harsh. Tulsa is a very solid football team. If Cincy beats Tulsa two straight times (which I am on record on this board as predicting that will not happen), that will be a fairly notable achievement (but not one that should necessarily provide UC with an argument to be included in the playoff).

* Notre Dame beat a Trevor Lawrence-lacking Clemson. That "cheapens' the ND victory in my eyes and, as you might know, I like the Irish and typically root for them (unless they are playing one of "my teams").

(12-07-2020 11:52 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  * Notre Dame beat a Trevor Lawrence-lacking Clemson. That "cheapens' the ND victory in my eyes and, as you might know, I like the Irish and typically root for them (unless they are playing one of "my teams").

So far in 2020 Trevor Lawrence has averaged 304 passing yards a game, averages 8.9 yards per completion, and has a 69% completion percentage against teams that are a combined 31-39. Uiagalelei had 439 passing yards, averaged 10.0 yards per completion, and had a 66% completion percentage against a Notre Dame team that is 10-0. I'm not saying Clemson will not win the rematch, but I think it's disingenuous to say Clemson would have beaten Notre Dame in South Bend if Trevor Lawrence was in the game. What more could Uiagalelei have done? Play defense?

(12-07-2020 11:52 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 12:37 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 01:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 12:13 PM)f1do Wrote:  Remind me why people think beating 7-2 Army is a badge of honor when their 7 wins come against 3 FCS teams (Abilene Christian, The Citadel, Mercer who cumulatively have a 1-12 record in the fall), 2 poor teams (0-9 ULM, 3-6 Middle Tennessee), 2 decent teams (7-4 UTSA, 6-4 Georgia Southern), and then a loss to 5-5 Tulane?

BYU destroyed 4-1 Boise State by more than 4 scores. They were ranked prior to the game and as of week 13 are still getting votes in the AP and Coaches polls.

Yes, no matter how you slice it, Cincy's schedule has been a soft schedule. Sagarin has it at #84 right now, and that seems about right.

Yes, it's been tougher than BYU's schedule, which has been very soft. But really, if you're talking about the #84 schedule vs the #110 schedule, you're talking degrees of softness. Not something that merits seven full ranking spots in the CFP.

Cincy's schedule has been soft compared to Texas A&M or Florida. Or Clemson.

But not compared to Ohio State or Notre Dame.

Cincinnati has played 4 opponents who were ranked this year: UCF, Memphis, SMU, Army. And will play two more. Also played a decent opponent in Houston, who was beating BYU until 10 minutes left in the game.

Notre Dame's schedule is similar to Cincinnati's in the number of difficult games (Clemson was obviously a higher level of difficulty). ND played 4 opponents who were ranked this year, two of whom shouldn't have been ranked. Scheduled to play one more ranked team.

Sagarin has Notre Dame's schedule at #55, compared to #84 for Cincy. That's a difference.

There seems to be some spin in your analysis. Teams that were ranked are meaningless because as we all know, things can change and a team we thought was good may not be. That applies to ND and Cincy's schedules.

The difference in ND and Cincy's schedule is Clemson. Cincy has not and will not play anyone anywhere near playoff or even NY6 calibre. They have not faced any tests that tell us they are worthy of the playoffs, and they will not. The only ranked team on their schedule is Tulsa, and let's face it, Tulsa is a terrible example of a ranked team. They are 5-1, and should be 3-3 if it wasn't for abysmal home-cooking refereeing vs ECU and literally a miracle hail-mary vs Tulane. They just aren't any good.

In contrast, when you play Clemson you play a playoff/NY6 level team, a real test of your worthiness.

That's the issue I have with Cincy as a playoff contender. Unlike all the other playoff contenders, they have not and will not face any NY6-level opponents who we can gauge them against. Notre Dame has already played Clemson, and they will play Clemson again, while Cincy plays .... Tulsa.

On that point, overall SOS can be deceptive. For example, let's say team X has played four FCS opponents but also Florida and Alabama. Team Y has played six opponents all about as good as Tulsa or Memphis. Because the FCS teams are so bad, the overall SOS of Team Y is likely to be stronger than Team X. But, Team X has played two NY6-level challenges while Team Y has played zero.

An NY6-level team shouldn't have any trouble going 6-0 against a bunch of Memphises and Tulsas. But a NY6-level team is likely to suffer a loss, or even two, playing Alabama and Florida. The latter schedule is much more fraught with danger than the former.

I agree with you overall, Quo. But two things:

* For you to note Tulsa "isn't any good" ... that seems harsh. Tulsa is a very solid football team. If Cincy beats Tulsa two straight times (which I am on record on this board as predicting that will not happen), that will be a fairly notable achievement (but not one that should necessarily provide UC with an argument to be included in the playoff).

* Notre Dame beat a Trevor Lawrence-lacking Clemson. That "cheapens' the ND victory in my eyes and, as you might know, I like the Irish and typically root for them (unless they are playing one of "my teams").

I agree I was too harsh to say Tulsa isn't "any good". The are pretty good. I recall watching them open vs Oklahoma State almost three months ago and being impressed with their defense. But IMO they are not a test that tells us much about NY6, much less playoffs, worthiness, save for the G5 auto-spot.

As for ND, yes, they barely beat Clemson, in double overtime, and without TL. But, the lack of TL would carry more weight if the replacement had played poorly. But he didn't, IIRC he threw for more yards vs ND than any player ever has, and ND has played over 1200 games going back to 1887, and he did it without throwing an INT.

That said, if ND gets blown out by Clemson, then they will not merit being in the playoffs. If they lose, they have to lose very close, like Clemson lost to them.

It will be fun discussing this over the next two weeks.

(12-07-2020 12:17 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 11:52 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  * Notre Dame beat a Trevor Lawrence-lacking Clemson. That "cheapens' the ND victory in my eyes and, as you might know, I like the Irish and typically root for them (unless they are playing one of "my teams").

So far in 2020 Trevor Lawrence has averaged 304 passing yards a game, averages 8.9 yards per completion, and has a 69% completion percentage against teams that are a combined 31-39. Uiagalelei had 439 passing yards, averaged 10.0 yards per completion, and had a 66% completion percentage against a Notre Dame team that is 10-0. I'm not saying Clemson will not win the rematch, but I think it's disingenuous to say Clemson would have beaten Notre Dame in South Bend if Trevor Lawrence was in the game. What more could Uiagalelei have done? Play defense?

I was not suggesting Clemson would have won with Lawrence. But with him, ND would have been required to prepare a bit differently defensively. Sometimes something of that nature can yield a different game result. But you are correct to note that Uiagalelei did well (which makes the Irish victory more sweet) and that ND might have won even had TL started. Good point.

(12-07-2020 12:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 11:52 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2020 10:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 12:37 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-29-2020 01:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, no matter how you slice it, Cincy's schedule has been a soft schedule. Sagarin has it at #84 right now, and that seems about right.

Yes, it's been tougher than BYU's schedule, which has been very soft. But really, if you're talking about the #84 schedule vs the #110 schedule, you're talking degrees of softness. Not something that merits seven full ranking spots in the CFP.

Cincy's schedule has been soft compared to Texas A&M or Florida. Or Clemson.

But not compared to Ohio State or Notre Dame.

Cincinnati has played 4 opponents who were ranked this year: UCF, Memphis, SMU, Army. And will play two more. Also played a decent opponent in Houston, who was beating BYU until 10 minutes left in the game.

Notre Dame's schedule is similar to Cincinnati's in the number of difficult games (Clemson was obviously a higher level of difficulty). ND played 4 opponents who were ranked this year, two of whom shouldn't have been ranked. Scheduled to play one more ranked team.

Sagarin has Notre Dame's schedule at #55, compared to #84 for Cincy. That's a difference.

There seems to be some spin in your analysis. Teams that were ranked are meaningless because as we all know, things can change and a team we thought was good may not be. That applies to ND and Cincy's schedules.

The difference in ND and Cincy's schedule is Clemson. Cincy has not and will not play anyone anywhere near playoff or even NY6 calibre. They have not faced any tests that tell us they are worthy of the playoffs, and they will not. The only ranked team on their schedule is Tulsa, and let's face it, Tulsa is a terrible example of a ranked team. They are 5-1, and should be 3-3 if it wasn't for abysmal home-cooking refereeing vs ECU and literally a miracle hail-mary vs Tulane. They just aren't any good.

In contrast, when you play Clemson you play a playoff/NY6 level team, a real test of your worthiness.

That's the issue I have with Cincy as a playoff contender. Unlike all the other playoff contenders, they have not and will not face any NY6-level opponents who we can gauge them against. Notre Dame has already played Clemson, and they will play Clemson again, while Cincy plays .... Tulsa.

On that point, overall SOS can be deceptive. For example, let's say team X has played four FCS opponents but also Florida and Alabama. Team Y has played six opponents all about as good as Tulsa or Memphis. Because the FCS teams are so bad, the overall SOS of Team Y is likely to be stronger than Team X. But, Team X has played two NY6-level challenges while Team Y has played zero.

An NY6-level team shouldn't have any trouble going 6-0 against a bunch of Memphises and Tulsas. But a NY6-level team is likely to suffer a loss, or even two, playing Alabama and Florida. The latter schedule is much more fraught with danger than the former.

I agree with you overall, Quo. But two things:

* For you to note Tulsa "isn't any good" ... that seems harsh. Tulsa is a very solid football team. If Cincy beats Tulsa two straight times (which I am on record on this board as predicting that will not happen), that will be a fairly notable achievement (but not one that should necessarily provide UC with an argument to be included in the playoff).

* Notre Dame beat a Trevor Lawrence-lacking Clemson. That "cheapens' the ND victory in my eyes and, as you might know, I like the Irish and typically root for them (unless they are playing one of "my teams").

I agree I was too harsh to say Tulsa isn't "any good". The are pretty good. I recall watching them open vs Oklahoma State almost three months ago and being impressed with their defense. But IMO they are not a test that tells us much about NY6, much less playoffs, worthiness, save for the G5 auto-spot.

As for ND, yes, they barely beat Clemson, in double overtime, and without TL. But, the lack of TL would carry more weight if the replacement had played poorly. But he didn't, IIRC he threw for more yards vs ND than any player ever has, and ND has played over 1200 games going back to 1887, and he did it without throwing an INT.

That said, if ND gets blown out by Clemson, then they will not merit being in the playoffs. If they lose, they have to lose very close, like Clemson lost to them.

It will be fun discussing this over the next two weeks.

Very well put on all counts.

It's crunch time in college football. Despite the pandemic, I am enjoying this.

The latest on whether or not BYU wants to land a 12th game on 12/19 is that yes, they want to play. But depending on which ESPN-affiliated bowl they get invited to (ESPN basically confirmed with their record they will get one) will determine if they are able to play on 12/19.

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/12/7...-dax-milne
One bowl — the Frisco Bowl in Texas — is scheduled to be played Dec. 19 and is owned and operated by ESPN Events. Other early bowls owned by ESPN include the Myrtle Beach Bowl on Dec. 21, the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl on Dec. 22, the Boca Raton Bowl on Dec. 22 (UCF accepted a bid Monday), the Montgomery Bowl on Dec. 23, the New Mexico Bowl on Dec. 24 and the Camellia Bowl, also in Montgomery, Alabama, on Dec. 25. Invites to any of those, if accepted, would likely take BYU out of a Dec. 19 game.

With games coming up so quickly, they would need to get invites out this weekend at the latest for the Frisco Bowl.

Random: if they show up at the 12/19 Frisco Bowl would they still be eligible (with a high enough CFP ranking) for a NY6 bowl too?

(12-06-2020 01:15 AM)Crayton Wrote:  

(12-06-2020 12:42 AM)f1do Wrote:  With the BYU loss, their fate in the bowl picture is pretty much set. I'm not sure I'm seeing a benefit to chasing a Pac-12 backup role for a game on late notice. I'm not sure a win helps and a loss just hurts more.

Yep. A good run and a good team.

Might have been better if associated in a certain conference.

BYU is near a NY6 ranking (in the AP) and would need to pass 2 of OU/ISU loser, Florida, Coastal, Georgia, or maybe even Indiana (if they play and lose to Iowa) to make a big bowl. Any chance they go to LA and just wait for 1 of the Top 4 Pac-12 teams to start coughing??

(12-13-2020 09:19 PM)Crayton Wrote:  BYU is near a NY6 ranking (in the AP) and would need to pass 2 of OU/ISU loser, Florida, Coastal, Georgia, or maybe even Indiana (if they play and lose to Iowa) to make a big bowl. Any chance they go to LA and just wait for 1 of the Top 4 Pac-12 teams to start coughing??

How is BYU going to catch Coastal Carolina?

Indiana's playing Purdue on Saturday so there will be less chance of BYU passing Indiana in the rankings.

If fans were a factor, the Fiesta Bowl would probably rather have BYU than an East Coast team who wouldn't have many fans traveling across the country. Too bad that won't be a factor this year.

(12-13-2020 09:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 09:19 PM)Crayton Wrote:  BYU is near a NY6 ranking (in the AP) and would need to pass 2 of OU/ISU loser, Florida, Coastal, Georgia, or maybe even Indiana (if they play and lose to Iowa) to make a big bowl. Any chance they go to LA and just wait for 1 of the Top 4 Pac-12 teams to start coughing??

How is BYU going to catch Coastal Carolina?

Indiana's playing Purdue on Saturday so there will be less chance of BYU passing Indiana in the rankings.

If fans were a factor, the Fiesta Bowl would probably rather have BYU than an East Coast team who wouldn't have many fans traveling across the country. Too bad that won't be a factor this year.

If Coastal loses to Louisiana and BYU defeats Oregon or Colorado. Humans are often swayed by recency bias (especially if a holy P5 team is defeated).

Thanks for the heads up on Indiana. I see the Big Ten scheduled Minnesota-Wisconsin and MSU-Maryland, as many were hoping. Georgia is not going to lose to Vanderbilt either.

(12-13-2020 09:43 PM)Crayton Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 09:36 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(12-13-2020 09:19 PM)Crayton Wrote:  BYU is near a NY6 ranking (in the AP) and would need to pass 2 of OU/ISU loser, Florida, Coastal, Georgia, or maybe even Indiana (if they play and lose to Iowa) to make a big bowl. Any chance they go to LA and just wait for 1 of the Top 4 Pac-12 teams to start coughing??

How is BYU going to catch Coastal Carolina?

Indiana's playing Purdue on Saturday so there will be less chance of BYU passing Indiana in the rankings.

If fans were a factor, the Fiesta Bowl would probably rather have BYU than an East Coast team who wouldn't have many fans traveling across the country. Too bad that won't be a factor this year.

If Coastal loses to Louisiana and BYU defeats Oregon or Colorado. Humans are often swayed by recency bias (especially if a holy P5 team is defeated).

Thanks for the heads up on Indiana. I see the Big Ten scheduled Minnesota-Wisconsin and MSU-Maryland, as many were hoping. Georgia is not going to lose to Vanderbilt either.

It looks like Georgia is in talks with Colorado State for a game this weekend.

That is EXACTLY the game BYU needed to make its case. Too bad we committed to a pre-Christmas bowl game without thinking this through. I guess it's the bird-in-the-hand principle...but....less than 24 hours later and there are at least 2 or 3 games available for 12/19....

A December game against top-10 Georgia is better than any pre-Christmas bowl game...by itself. But, to also have the chance to play for a good bowl game...and may be even the NY6?!?!

Oh well.