(11-10-2020 06:52 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 06:14 PM)FBS Dave Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 04:54 PM)Anders Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 04:16 PM)Bill Wrote:  $3.3 million, damn, well, that's great for UMass. Would love to see JMU arrange a two million dollar pay game.

Not to throw more gas on the fire but you have to be FBS to get to paid that well for a body bag game.

You get paid, you get exposure, and you get the opportunity to Win.

What did the win at Michigan do for App?

As an FBS Indy you can arrange a few of these games at high rates. It is just another revenue source that is ignored by the naysayers that think FBS is too expensive.

App State was FCS when they beat Michigan. I bet their pay day was in line (adjusted backward for inflation) with what JMU receives when they play at UNC etc

I know. But these aren’t just body bag games, they are opportunities.

You get paid, you get exposure, and you get the opportunity to Win.

Step up to FBS and play a few!

On a side note JMU beat Va Tech and then their momentum stalled. App State beat Michigan, used that momentum to step up to FBS, and they excelled.

(11-10-2020 10:15 PM)FBS Dave Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 06:52 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 06:14 PM)FBS Dave Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 04:54 PM)Anders Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 04:16 PM)Bill Wrote:  $3.3 million, damn, well, that's great for UMass. Would love to see JMU arrange a two million dollar pay game.

Not to throw more gas on the fire but you have to be FBS to get to paid that well for a body bag game.

You get paid, you get exposure, and you get the opportunity to Win.

What did the win at Michigan do for App?

As an FBS Indy you can arrange a few of these games at high rates. It is just another revenue source that is ignored by the naysayers that think FBS is too expensive.

App State was FCS when they beat Michigan. I bet their pay day was in line (adjusted backward for inflation) with what JMU receives when they play at UNC etc

I know. But these aren’t just body bag games, they are opportunities.

You get paid, you get exposure, and you get the opportunity to Win.

Step up to FBS and play a few!

On a side note JMU beat Va Tech and then their momentum stalled. App State beat Michigan, used that momentum to step up to FBS, and they excelled.

I’m all for two FBS games until we go FBS- I think JMU is at a different level from their conference mates in football so they can afford the risk in the OOC of a loss or even two. Ideally one vs P5 one vs G5. There aren’t many body bag games for JMU as long as they stay away from the top of the P5. Now scheduling all this is probably challenging- more challenging that most fans think it is but a clear philosophy to go after two FBS would be a ok with me.

App State beat Michigan in 2007 and went FBS in 2014- that’s several years of momentum.

(11-10-2020 09:04 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 12:39 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 08:23 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  How about if JMU plays 11 away money FBS games as an Indy? Two against Liberty since that worked so well for NMSU. That would be some serious funding especially when you consider that they would only be carrying the scholarship expenses of an FCS program. Since several posters don’t like being asked for money nor seeing us play Morehead, Robert Morris and the weak CAA, JMU could hold tailgates only in the fall and show the away FBS games on the Jumbotron so that students don’t complain about where their excessive student fees are going.

FCS and our administration suck so why waste our time in the fall watching sucky FCS football? We can play golf, visit wineries or go hiking on the Blue Ridge instead.

There are several posters on here that know so much more than an administration of former accountants that have spent their entire adult life in college athletics. I say we fire them all and put Purplehazed and Dukeman in charge of our nationally ranked athletics programs. They could do so much better than the crap ass #15 in the nation winning percentage our horrible programs have amassed over the last 5 years. Dukeman is unemployed right now so he is ready for his next challenge.

If we are going to get out of the box in our approach to funding athletics, let’s ignore conference affiliation altogether and grab some real coin. After all, college athletics is all about making money.

Suggestion, place both feet back on the ground.

You took a rational and fair question and twisted until unreasonable.

My post was pure sarcasm. If you took it seriously, I have some swamp land in Florida I would like to sell you.

Why in the heck would an FCS school like JMU schedule two FBS games? Besides money, what is the value to JMU in doing so?

Please reread thread title. $450,000 is a good reason to schedule a second FBS game especially when covid 19 is/has reduced BFS gate proceeds. Are you being asked for donations? As far as I am concerned, you me and the rest of us start at the ($450,000) being left on the table by the "money matters" administration.

Does money only matter when the administration is forced to talk to the un-valley wild eyed FBS savages?

Those amounts aren’t so great when you take out travel expenses. I’d like to see the payout after expenses compared to gate receipts from a home game minus those expenses. And over the years some schools pull up in these bodybag games as they’re there for the payday and don’t want to suffer injuries for when the conference games and games that matter start.

(11-11-2020 09:29 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Those amounts aren’t so great when you take out travel expenses. I’d like to see the payout after expenses compared to gate receipts from a home game minus those expenses. And over the years some schools pull up in these bodybag games as they’re there for the payday and don’t want to suffer injuries for when the conference games and games that matter start.

If the second FBS were Liberty:
-Possibly the least expense travel game on the schedule
-No loss of game revenue at BFS, replaces a no revenue OoC fcs game
-JMU fans can go to an away game easy
-Great stadium and atmosphere (unlike CAA stadiums, LU has plumbing)
-a $400,000 to $500,000 payday

It has to be hard to defend not making this happen, it literally checks every admin self sabotage box. Let's just not do it...how many cutouts do we need to buy to get from ($400,000) to $0?

Cig/Bourne/Warner can't claim that JMU could not make an OoC schedule this year because regional G5 teams won't schedule JMU (they did) and then claim we can't schedule a second fbs payday game (I think LU would agree in a shen valley minute) because we may lose and not make the fcs playoffs.

With our resources if we fell down, offense played defense and defense played offense we would land in the fcs playoffs, we are elite fcs, right?

Apparently Liberty (along with UVA, ODU, Temple, Army, UNC Charlotte, Marshall, and ECU) said no to a game against JMU this fall, so why would they agree to one next fall?

the same people who complain about not having a 2nd FBS game will complain when there is only 5 home games in those years.

For instance, with the original 2020 schedule, if we had replaced a non-conference OOC home game against either Chattanooga or Merrimack with a 2nd FBS road game, we would have had only 5 home games.

cue the uproar about not having enough home games for their season ticket.
the last time we had only 5 home games, there was numerous complaining going on here about it. You can't win.

(11-11-2020 10:11 AM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  Apparently Liberty (along with UVA, ODU, Temple, Army, UNC Charlotte, Marshall, and ECU) said no to a game against JMU this fall, so why would they agree to one next fall?

Source? (If you are talking pre season before we were able to land EKU)

If this supposedly after, of course we said no. We are not going to schedule 2 FCS teams in one season.

(11-11-2020 10:19 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  the same people who complain about not having a 2nd FBS game will complain when there is only 5 home games in those years.

For instance, with the original 2020 schedule, if we had replaced a non-conference OOC home game against either Chattanooga or Merrimack with a 2nd FBS road game, we would have had only 5 home games.

cue the uproar about not having enough home games for their season ticket.
the last time we had only 5 home games, there was numerous complaining going on here about it. You can't win.

You’re right that people will complain regardless in EVERY situation. But that doesn’t mean every complaint is without merit. Well-paid positions require thick skin. I would rather have 2 FBS contests than 6 home games. If I didn’t like the season ticket value at 5 games, I would buy single game tickets. Perhaps JMU could avoid some of those complaints by adjusting season ticket costs appropriately during seasons with only 5 home games. Seems like an easy fix to take the legs out from some of the complainers...

(11-11-2020 10:22 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:11 AM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  Apparently Liberty (along with UVA, ODU, Temple, Army, UNC Charlotte, Marshall, and ECU) said no to a game against JMU this fall, so why would they agree to one next fall?

Source? (If you are talking pre season before we were able to land EKU)

If this supposedly after, of course we said no. We are not going to schedule 2 FCS teams in one season.

It's behind a paywall, but here's the link
https://extrapoints.substack.com/p/a-clo...attempt-to

EDIT: The article states this info was discovered via an open records request for all of JMU’s emails related to football scheduling over the summer.

(11-11-2020 10:22 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:11 AM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  Apparently Liberty (along with UVA, ODU, Temple, Army, UNC Charlotte, Marshall, and ECU) said no to a game against JMU this fall, so why would they agree to one next fall?

Source? (If you are talking pre season before we were able to land EKU)

If this supposedly after, of course we said no. We are not going to schedule 2 FCS teams in one season.

Playing JMU would bring up your SOS and your Sagarin ratings. Maybe you should take a look at 2019 YE rankings.

Many of these threads turn into debate teams.

I could argue either side(and do so), depends who I'm talking with.

If it's the outsiders, I can explain FCS. Trolls = annoying.

If it's fellow JMU fans, I can express reasoning from my heart - which is FBS.

I will say I think the FCS get's harder to defend (but certainly still do able ) with:
CCU #17
Liberty #22
Marshall #15
and ASU frequenting the top 25 the last few years.

For the last few years the argument has been from my fellow JMU fans is that we would not be relevant in FBS. Well, looking at those 3 recent FCS schools - that are all much more relevant than they were in FCS 5 years ago.

Admit it - CCU and Liberty are the two most recent schools we looked down our nose at who have zipped by us - program & relevant wise.

Highest Ranked FBS team in VA =Liberty

I'd take that over a FCS NC. And no, I don't care if that only get's them a G5 team in a bowl. (I know this FCS argument)

Ok, no cheating and looking this up! :-)

5 years ago, two teams from Mac/sb/cusa leagues were ranked in top 25.

One for 6 weeks during the season before ending up out of the poll at year end.
The other was not ranked all year but ended up at bottom after regular season and bowl games.

Can you name those two programs?

(11-11-2020 10:19 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  the same people who complain about not having a 2nd FBS game will complain when there is only 5 home games in those years.

For instance, with the original 2020 schedule, if we had replaced a non-conference OOC home game against either Chattanooga or Merrimack with a 2nd FBS road game, we would have had only 5 home games.

cue the uproar about not having enough home games for their season ticket.
the last time we had only 5 home games, there was numerous complaining going on here about it. You can't win.

I think that is a different group of people Dawg.
The trade off is giving up a Morehead St type home game for a road pay game at a P5 or G5 team. I would make that trade off 100% of the time. Of course the money matters even more now as the athletic department is begging, but the competition is just as big of a factor. Nobody wants to see JMU pound a doormat 50-7 and the players don’t want to play those powder puff teams either.

Other, much lesser, FCS programs have played 2 FBS teams in a year previously and some have even done so with success on the field as well as the bank account.

I think Bourne has indicated home games clear approximately $100k.

(11-11-2020 11:06 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 10:19 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  the same people who complain about not having a 2nd FBS game will complain when there is only 5 home games in those years.

For instance, with the original 2020 schedule, if we had replaced a non-conference OOC home game against either Chattanooga or Merrimack with a 2nd FBS road game, we would have had only 5 home games.

cue the uproar about not having enough home games for their season ticket.
the last time we had only 5 home games, there was numerous complaining going on here about it. You can't win.

I think that is a different group of people Dawg.
The trade off is giving up a Morehead St type home game for a road pay game at a P5 or G5 team. I would make that trade off 100% of the time. Of course the money matters even more now as the athletic department is begging, but the competition is just as big of a factor. Nobody wants to see JMU pound a doormat 50-7 and the players don’t want to play those powder puff teams either.

Other, much lesser, FCS programs have played 2 FBS teams in a year previously and some have even done so with success on the field as well as the bank account.

I think Bourne has indicated home games clear approximately $100k.

If it’s a different group of people, is that better if you are the admin?

So you got 500 people on either side bitching. What’s is the solution to appease people and minimize the bitching?

Again, you can’t win if you are in their shoes.

They shouldn’t worry if a Duke Club donor complains. I’m sure some People do complain to them, but that is part of the territory for an AD and Prez.

I assume everyone does their part to financially support the dept and everyone should be a watchdog on how the program and the finances are managed.

I would say it is very easy to be a leader if you are never challenged.

(11-11-2020 11:18 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  They shouldn’t worry if a Duke Club donor complains. I’m sure some People do complain to them, but that is part of the territory for an AD and Prez.

I assume everyone does their part to financially support the dept and everyone should be a watchdog on how the program and the finances are managed.

I would say it is very easy to be a leader if you are never challenged.

I don’t think they do worry. Who says they are?

Seems to me they making a decison as they should And either way someone on here will ***** and complain. But certainly don’t recall them ever changing a decison based on that.

(11-11-2020 11:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Ok, no cheating and looking this up! :-)

5 years ago, two teams from Mac/sb/cusa leagues were ranked in top 25.

One for 6 weeks during the season before ending up out of the poll at year end.
The other was not ranked all year but ended up at bottom after regular season and bowl games.

Can you name those two programs?

Honesty if you asked me who were the 2 teams in the FBS NC 4 years ago, I could not tell you for sure. I would guess Clemson and Alabama.

No cheating - When is the last time an FBS Ranked JMU beat Va Tech or JMU was the highest ranked FBS team in VA?

As I said Dukeman, Duke Dawg, or myself could easily argue either side if we chose to do so.

On one side you use CCU, ASU, Liberty - if you argue the other side you use Umass & Idaho.

In between, or TBD you throw in ODU, Charlotte, Georgia St, Georgia So., etc

Do we already spend as much on athletics as the average Sunbelt, MAC, or CUSA program? I don't know the answer. I know they offer more football scholarships, but I also think other than that we spend as much or more than a lot of the programs.

(11-11-2020 07:36 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 09:04 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 12:39 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(11-10-2020 08:23 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  How about if JMU plays 11 away money FBS games as an Indy? Two against Liberty since that worked so well for NMSU. That would be some serious funding especially when you consider that they would only be carrying the scholarship expenses of an FCS program. Since several posters don’t like being asked for money nor seeing us play Morehead, Robert Morris and the weak CAA, JMU could hold tailgates only in the fall and show the away FBS games on the Jumbotron so that students don’t complain about where their excessive student fees are going.

FCS and our administration suck so why waste our time in the fall watching sucky FCS football? We can play golf, visit wineries or go hiking on the Blue Ridge instead.

There are several posters on here that know so much more than an administration of former accountants that have spent their entire adult life in college athletics. I say we fire them all and put Purplehazed and Dukeman in charge of our nationally ranked athletics programs. They could do so much better than the crap ass #15 in the nation winning percentage our horrible programs have amassed over the last 5 years. Dukeman is unemployed right now so he is ready for his next challenge.

If we are going to get out of the box in our approach to funding athletics, let’s ignore conference affiliation altogether and grab some real coin. After all, college athletics is all about making money.

Suggestion, place both feet back on the ground.

You took a rational and fair question and twisted until unreasonable.

My post was pure sarcasm. If you took it seriously, I have some swamp land in Florida I would like to sell you.

Why in the heck would an FCS school like JMU schedule two FBS games? Besides money, what is the value to JMU in doing so?

Please reread thread title. $450,000 is a good reason to schedule a second FBS game especially when covid 19 is/has reduced BFS gate proceeds. Are you being asked for donations? As far as I am concerned, you me and the rest of us start at the ($450,000) being left on the table by the "money matters" administration.

Does money only matter when the administration is forced to talk to the un-valley wild eyed FBS savages?

There is no need to re-read the thread title. I acknowledged that money was a reason. I asked you for other reasons for JMU to do it. I look at things through Bourne and Cigs eyes not my personal desires. I would love to see us go FBS or play a second FBS G5 close enough so I could travel.

Cigs eyes:
- Less chance of getting a win.
- Playing with less scholarship players.
- Playing an FBS team means the opponent is bigger and faster than
every FCS team except NDSU.
- I am going to make the playoffs so I don’t need a resume builder.
- I can get my younger backups playing experience playing an FCS.
- Less wear and tear on my starters as the season is long when you include
playoff games.

Bourne’s eyes:
- Doesn’t have to give up a September home date when the weather is
beautiful in the Valley.
- Easier to schedule an FCS game.
- Keeps his coach happy with a more winnable game.
- There isn’t near enough political pressure to make scheduling a second
FBS game necessary. There are a handful of people pushing for it most
of which are on these boards. The majority of people who attend games
are very happy with the way things are now. They go for the tailgate and
party and not the game. Bad weather and playoff attendance is proof of
this.

(11-11-2020 11:22 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-11-2020 11:06 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Ok, no cheating and looking this up! :-)

5 years ago, two teams from Mac/sb/cusa leagues were ranked in top 25.

One for 6 weeks during the season before ending up out of the poll at year end.
The other was not ranked all year but ended up at bottom after regular season and bowl games.

Can you name those two programs?

Honesty if you asked me who were the 2 teams in the FBS NC 4 years ago, I could not tell you for sure. I would guess Clemson and Alabama.

No cheating - When is the last time an FBS Ranked JMU beat Va Tech or JMU was the highest ranked FBS team in VA?

As I said Dukeman, Duke Dawg, or myself could easily argue either side if we chose to do so.

On one side you use CCU, ASU, Liberty - if you argue the other side you use Umass & Idaho.

In between, or TBD you throw in ODU, Charlotte, Georgia St, Georgia So., etc

Do we already spend as much on athletics as the average Sunbelt, MAC, or CUSA program? I don't know the answer. I know they offer more football scholarships, but I also think other than that we spend as much or more than a lot of the programs.

Right. You don’t remember and neither does anyone else.

That’s the point, i don’t understand the overblowing an inseason ranking. It happens every year, and in 5 years. No one remembers.

Making an access bowl, like western michigan and northern Illinois? Yep. I remember that. That was relevant.

App state lost one game last year and missed out on any chance at an access bowl. In 5 years, the first thing anyone who hears app state will remember is them beating Michigan, not a great fbs year in 2019 that unfairly for them ended in a bowl game against uab, not a better p5 program like they deserved.

I have been on here for years lamenting how the number of p5-g5 bowl matchups has steadily declined to one or two a year, including the access bowl. That sucks and is another sign of the p5 just not wanting anything to do with the g5. App state deserved a more enticing matchup than what they got based on results on the field.

But then you see tv ratings like the liberty-tech game, and you can understand why the p5 wants to play each other in made for tv exhibition games.

They have the power. Right or wrong. and it’s only growing as years go on.