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RE: 2nd FBS game to offset covid revenue loss
(11-12-2020 11:50 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
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(11-12-2020 10:14 PM)olddawg Wrote:  I don't understand why some of you are missing this.
There are two undisputed facts going on here regarding scheduling at the FBS level:
1) Liberty can get games as an Indy because they are willing to vastly overpay for the return games.
2) Schools are ONLY willing to play at a small FBS stadium (ODU) on home & home basis because it's in a recruiting hotbed.

JMU does not have either of these attributes. We can't afford Liberty's method of scheduling. And even though we can outdraw ODU, we probably will have to settle for 2 for 1's just to play the same OOC P5 schools.

Not buying it!

Liberty doesn't play FBS teams because they are rich. They play FBS teams because they are a peer. We aren't! Getting beaten by an FBS team is acceptable for other FBS teams. It is totally unacceptable for an FBS team to be beaten by a lowly FCS team which is why we have no fall football.... no FBS team wants to play us. Playing FCS JMU is highly problematic for an FBS team.

Liberty is paying 1A schools $1million+ to play in Lynchburg. ODU is in the coveted 757 recruiting area. Are you oblivious to these two facts because you live in Dallas?

Liberty would pay JMU at least $400,000 to play in Lynchburg now but money only matters when it has to do with alum wanting to move up to 1A.

JMU should be scheduling two FBS games every year if money matters. This isn't a fbs or bust thread, it is a "JMU, max your revenue" before requesting money from alum plea.
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So Liberty is scheduling 2 for 1 deals AND paying out $1M+ to teams for the one home game out of the 3 game deal? Or are they only doing that with the home and home deals?
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Charlotte schedules home and home with NC State and Duke:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...87397.html

“This is another fantastic home-and-home series for the Niners,” Charlotte athletic director Mike Hill said in a statement. “We strive to schedule games which will excite our fan base, and playing the Wolfpack certainly qualifies.”

See article for note on 5 game series with App State, wow, cant help but analogize to JMU. Leadership has failed at D2 JMU.
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(11-13-2020 07:47 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Charlotte schedules home and home with NC State and Duke:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...87397.html

“This is another fantastic home-and-home series for the Niners,” Charlotte athletic director Mike Hill said in a statement. “We strive to schedule games which will excite our fan base, and playing the Wolfpack certainly qualifies.”

See article for note on 5 game series with App State, wow, cant help but analogize to JMU. Leadership has failed at D2 JMU.

I am going defend football scheduling a bit.

JMU's problem isn't that they won't schedule interesting fan games. The problem is they can't schedule interesting fan games now or ever because the only choices are fcs programs. Chatt is the best OoC fcs they can find anywhere on the east coast.

They at least tried with Weber State. If Weber State is interesting is debatable but Bourne at least tried. Having to dial up Utah to schedule debatably semi interesting fcs game with Weber State is (see note 1).

note 1 - Refer to Conference Rumor Thread (sad)

I would think that JMU would drain purple blood to get a season game with NDSU home or away but we know that will never happen because we won't risk losing. What else is there? The first person that says Lehigh needs to be banned from this board, that was so 5 years ago and sad even then.
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I like playing @Lehigh for the scenic game setting. Not because their team is great.
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(11-13-2020 11:16 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  
(11-13-2020 07:47 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Charlotte schedules home and home with NC State and Duke:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...87397.html

“This is another fantastic home-and-home series for the Niners,” Charlotte athletic director Mike Hill said in a statement. “We strive to schedule games which will excite our fan base, and playing the Wolfpack certainly qualifies.”

See article for note on 5 game series with App State, wow, cant help but analogize to JMU. Leadership has failed at D2 JMU.

I am going defend football scheduling a bit.

JMU's problem isn't that they won't schedule interesting fan games. The problem is they can't schedule interesting fan games now or ever because the only choices are fcs programs. Chatt is the best OoC fcs they can find anywhere on the east coast.

They at least tried with Weber State. If Weber State is interesting is debatable but Bourne at least tried. Having to dial up Utah to schedule debatably semi interesting fcs game with Weber State is (see note 1).

note 1 - Refer to Conference Rumor Thread (sad)

I would think that JMU would drain purple blood to get a season game with NDSU home or away but we know that will never happen because we won't risk losing. What else is there? The first person that says Lehigh needs to be banned from this board, that was so 5 years ago and sad even then.

the issue is what is semi-debatable to you may not be to others. It's all just opinions and impossible to please everyone.

5 years ago, if we had scheduled Weber, most of you would have said "who? where?" and been up in arms over that for sure.

but because now maybe you see them as a good team and we have played them twice in the playoffs, that has moved to the "semi-debatable" interesting realm. hey, that's progress !

I for one found it VERY interesting. As soon as it was announced, we started making plans to go to the game and make a trip out of it to a part of the country i wasn't sure i'd be going to anytime soon, if ever. Now....can't wait for the trip and the game and the days before and after where we plan to explore the area and region.

the point is, your opinion and view isn't the only one. some of us actually enjoy things related to JMU still (but not everything! - basketball has been kinda unenjoyable for awhile. i'm sure we can all agree on that 04-cheers) and don't post stuff like this that make someone else wonder why you would even bother with the school's athletics anymore. If its bringing that much angst and you openly hope to see your own school "squirm" which could lead to failures, just let it go and move on. Plenty of other things to do and watch

Quote:Having to choose primary sports seems like a reasonable budgetary mid major conference leveling step and could decrease the cozy level between JMU and small privates and small state schools even more...hope so... I'd love to watch JMU squirm as they label sports primary or not. About time...

Just trying to get your perspective here Hazed. What DO you find enjoyable about JMU athletics these days? is there anything to grasp on to? Or is the FBS thing just gonna override it all until it finally happens?

PS - Bourne DID try and get a home and home with the BIzzzzzon. they said they would not come to BFS. They made excuses why they couldn't. So are you implying we should just go there? and they shouldn't come to us? Hell no. We arent' ******* Campbell. home and home. Not ONE away game at NDSU. Good on Bourne for telling them to stick it on that one. That's my opinion.
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(11-13-2020 11:53 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(11-13-2020 11:16 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  
(11-13-2020 07:47 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Charlotte schedules home and home with NC State and Duke:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...87397.html

“This is another fantastic home-and-home series for the Niners,” Charlotte athletic director Mike Hill said in a statement. “We strive to schedule games which will excite our fan base, and playing the Wolfpack certainly qualifies.”

See article for note on 5 game series with App State, wow, cant help but analogize to JMU. Leadership has failed at D2 JMU.

I am going defend football scheduling a bit.

JMU's problem isn't that they won't schedule interesting fan games. The problem is they can't schedule interesting fan games now or ever because the only choices are fcs programs. Chatt is the best OoC fcs they can find anywhere on the east coast.

They at least tried with Weber State. If Weber State is interesting is debatable but Bourne at least tried. Having to dial up Utah to schedule debatably semi interesting fcs game with Weber State is (see note 1).

note 1 - Refer to Conference Rumor Thread (sad)

I would think that JMU would drain purple blood to get a season game with NDSU home or away but we know that will never happen because we won't risk losing. What else is there? The first person that says Lehigh needs to be banned from this board, that was so 5 years ago and sad even then.

the issue is what is semi-debatable to you may not be to others. It's all just opinions and impossible to please everyone.

5 years ago, if we had scheduled Weber, most of you would have said "who? where?" and been up in arms over that for sure.

but because now maybe you see them as a good team and we have played them twice in the playoffs, that has moved to the "semi-debatable" interesting realm. hey, that's progress !

I for one found it VERY interesting. As soon as it was announced, we started making plans to go to the game and make a trip out of it to a part of the country i wasn't sure i'd be going to anytime soon, if ever. Now....can't wait for the trip and the game and the days before and after where we plan to explore the area and region.

the point is, your opinion and view isn't the only one. some of us actually enjoy things related to JMU still (but not everything! - basketball has been kinda unenjoyable for awhile. i'm sure we can all agree on that 04-cheers) and don't post stuff like this that make someone else wonder why you would even bother with the school's athletics anymore. If its bringing that much angst and you openly hope to see your own school "squirm" which could lead to failures, just let it go and move on. Plenty of other things to do and watch

Quote:Having to choose primary sports seems like a reasonable budgetary mid major conference leveling step and could decrease the cozy level between JMU and small privates and small state schools even more...hope so... I'd love to watch JMU squirm as they label sports primary or not. About time...

Just trying to get your perspective here Hazed. What DO you find enjoyable about JMU athletics these days? is there anything to grasp on to? Or is the FBS thing just gonna override it all until it finally happens?

PS - Bourne DID try and get a home and home with the BIzzzzzon. they said they would not come to BFS. They made excuses why they couldn't. So are you implying we should just go there? and they shouldn't come to us? Hell no. We arent' ******* Campbell. home and home. Not ONE away game at NDSU. Good on Bourne for telling them to stick it on that one. That's my opinion.

I'd love a home and home with NDSU and didn't know they turned it down - do you have a source on that? I do remember we turned down a neutral site game with them.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/4509561...tball-game

Theres also this quote from their AD in the article "Larsen echoed Bourne's concerns, saying NDSU would be interested in a home-and-home series with a team like JMU. The financials were also difficult, Larsen said."
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Who should we believe:

Duke Dawg - "Bison would not do a home and home with JMU"

Bison AD as quoted in newspaper - "Bison would be interested in a home and home series with JMU"
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(11-13-2020 01:36 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Who should we believe:

Duke Dawg - "Bison would not do a home and home with JMU"

Bison AD as quoted in newspaper - "Bison would be interested in a home and home series with JMU"

I’m not super familiar with the business and etiquette of Athletic Directors but is it generally considered taboo to discuss potential deals like this publicly? What is the downside of Bourne saying “yeah, we tried to work something out with the Bison but timing/money/whatever prevented it. Oh well maybe a different year!”

I could be uniformed here and maybe this already happened but I do agree that it’s odd that everything has to be so secretive when I’m sure it would motivate donors and build excitement to see the inside plans a little more.
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(11-13-2020 01:36 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Who should we believe:

Duke Dawg - "Bison would not do a home and home with JMU"

Bison AD as quoted in newspaper - "Bison would be interested in a home and home series with a team like JMU"

No, we should believe you Dukeman.

because you know everything......about App State.

also, i fixed the quote for you since you didn't get it right. as always. (that team ended up being Delaware by the way)
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(11-13-2020 11:53 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(11-13-2020 11:16 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  
(11-13-2020 07:47 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Charlotte schedules home and home with NC State and Duke:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...87397.html

“This is another fantastic home-and-home series for the Niners,” Charlotte athletic director Mike Hill said in a statement. “We strive to schedule games which will excite our fan base, and playing the Wolfpack certainly qualifies.”

See article for note on 5 game series with App State, wow, cant help but analogize to JMU. Leadership has failed at D2 JMU.

I am going defend football scheduling a bit.

JMU's problem isn't that they won't schedule interesting fan games. The problem is they can't schedule interesting fan games now or ever because the only choices are fcs programs. Chatt is the best OoC fcs they can find anywhere on the east coast.

They at least tried with Weber State. If Weber State is interesting is debatable but Bourne at least tried. Having to dial up Utah to schedule debatably semi interesting fcs game with Weber State is (see note 1).

note 1 - Refer to Conference Rumor Thread (sad)

I would think that JMU would drain purple blood to get a season game with NDSU home or away but we know that will never happen because we won't risk losing. What else is there? The first person that says Lehigh needs to be banned from this board, that was so 5 years ago and sad even then.

the issue is what is semi-debatable to you may not be to others. It's all just opinions and impossible to please everyone.

5 years ago, if we had scheduled Weber, most of you would have said "who? where?" and been up in arms over that for sure.

but because now maybe you see them as a good team and we have played them twice in the playoffs, that has moved to the "semi-debatable" interesting realm. hey, that's progress !

I for one found it VERY interesting. As soon as it was announced, we started making plans to go to the game and make a trip out of it to a part of the country i wasn't sure i'd be going to anytime soon, if ever. Now....can't wait for the trip and the game and the days before and after where we plan to explore the area and region.

the point is, your opinion and view isn't the only one. some of us actually enjoy things related to JMU still (but not everything! - basketball has been kinda unenjoyable for awhile. i'm sure we can all agree on that 04-cheers) and don't post stuff like this that make someone else wonder why you would even bother with the school's athletics anymore. If its bringing that much angst and you openly hope to see your own school "squirm" which could lead to failures, just let it go and move on. Plenty of other things to do and watch

Quote:Having to choose primary sports seems like a reasonable budgetary mid major conference leveling step and could decrease the cozy level between JMU and small privates and small state schools even more...hope so... I'd love to watch JMU squirm as they label sports primary or not. About time...

Just trying to get your perspective here Hazed. What DO you find enjoyable about JMU athletics these days? is there anything to grasp on to? Or is the FBS thing just gonna override it all until it finally happens?

PS - Bourne DID try and get a home and home with the BIzzzzzon. they said they would not come to BFS. They made excuses why they couldn't. So are you implying we should just go there? and they shouldn't come to us? Hell no. We arent' ******* Campbell. home and home. Not ONE away game at NDSU. Good on Bourne for telling them to stick it on that one. That's my opinion.

What I want out of JMU athletics is branding the university. I can and do enjoy about anything athletics if with friends. I have friends that graduated from odac schools and I go to odac games between bridgewayer and emu and enjoy myself.

The jmu brand does not equal playing fcs football and it drives me crazy. It's not about fbs or fcs, it is about brand and what we are.
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I call bull shet on NDSU and JMU for trying to make a regular season game happen. If either really tried and was willing to call out the other it would be on the schedules.

It would be a lot rasier to believe JMU is trying to reconference if we had a p5 and g5 on the schedule every year.

The nobody will play us story is an excuse with no proof of trying...call out the regional g5s and ndsu.
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(11-13-2020 02:31 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I call bull shet on NDSU and JMU for trying to make a regular season game happen. If either really tried and was willing to call out the other it would be on the schedules.

It would be a lot rasier to believe JMU is trying to reconference if we had a p5 and g5 on the schedule every year.

The nobody will play us story is an excuse with no proof of trying...call out the regional g5s and ndsu.

https://mac.csnbbs.com/thread-877286.html
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(11-13-2020 02:39 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(11-13-2020 02:31 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I call bull shet on NDSU and JMU for trying to make a regular season game happen. If either really tried and was willing to call out the other it would be on the schedules.

It would be a lot rasier to believe JMU is trying to reconference if we had a p5 and g5 on the schedule every year.

The nobody will play us story is an excuse with no proof of trying...call out the regional g5s and ndsu.

https://mac.csnbbs.com/thread-877286.html

Do you have a source for your comment about Bourne wanting to schedule a home and home with them, and them turning it down? I didn't see anything in that thread you quoted.
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(11-13-2020 02:31 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I call bull shet on NDSU and JMU for trying to make a regular season game happen. If either really tried and was willing to call out the other it would be on the schedules.

It would be a lot rasier to believe JMU is trying to reconference if we had a p5 and g5 on the schedule every year.

The nobody will play us story is an excuse with no proof of trying...call out the regional g5s and ndsu.

There have been FOI requests and information that shows who JMU has tried to schedule
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What is interesting is that JMU’s Fall season would be over now if they didn’t forfeit the Fall.
Bourne said he had 4 to 6 games lined up when the plug was pulled. As the CAA released a plan to play 6 conference games in the Spring JMU could have capped their Fall games at 5 and still be eligible for the FCs title in The Spring.

Now that FBS is in their conference season and JMU’s potential opponents would have shrunk to almost nil by now we can assess what was missed.
1- a chance to develop players in real game situations instead of just practice
2- a chance to beat a nationally ranked ACC team in UNC
3- $500k of guarantee money for that game win or lose (now begging for money)
4- A home game with Chattanooga. Not great, but better than any FCS OOC home game in years.
Plus, the Dukes would have retained Key starters Deangelo Amos and Adeeb Atariwa instead of them bailing to UVA when JMU forfeited the Fall.
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(11-13-2020 01:41 PM)Anders Wrote:  
(11-13-2020 01:36 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Who should we believe:

Duke Dawg - "Bison would not do a home and home with JMU"

Bison AD as quoted in newspaper - "Bison would be interested in a home and home series with JMU"

I could be uniformed here and maybe this already happened but I do agree that it’s odd that everything has to be so secretive when I’m sure it would motivate donors and build excitement to see the inside plans a little more.

We don't motivate, we monitor. It's the JMU way. Stagnation is an understatement at this point.
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(11-13-2020 06:56 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  What is interesting is that JMU’s Fall season would be over now if they didn’t forfeit the Fall.
Bourne said he had 4 to 6 games lined up when the plug was pulled. As the CAA released a plan to play 6 conference games in the Spring JMU could have capped their Fall games at 5 and still be eligible for the FCs title in The Spring.

Now that FBS is in their conference season and JMU’s potential opponents would have shrunk to almost nil by now we can assess what was missed.
1- a chance to develop players in real game situations instead of just practice
2- a chance to beat a nationally ranked ACC team in UNC
3- $500k of guarantee money for that game win or lose (now begging for money)
4- A home game with Chattanooga. Not great, but better than any FCS OOC home game in years.
Plus, the Dukes would have retained Key starters Deangelo Amos and Adeeb Atariwa instead of them bailing to UVA when JMU forfeited the Fall.

Amos and Atariwa had already transferred before JMU cancelled their fall season. There also is no proof that we would have played UNC if it was the only game we decided to play this fall. The ACC moved to cancel all but one conference game... and turned out on 9/17 their game was cancelled because of COVID contract tracing. The same thing could have happened to us. You can't keep acting like the 500K payday was a LOCK. There will be other paydays.
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(11-14-2020 01:08 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(11-13-2020 06:56 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  What is interesting is that JMU’s Fall season would be over now if they didn’t forfeit the Fall.
Bourne said he had 4 to 6 games lined up when the plug was pulled. As the CAA released a plan to play 6 conference games in the Spring JMU could have capped their Fall games at 5 and still be eligible for the FCs title in The Spring.

Now that FBS is in their conference season and JMU’s potential opponents would have shrunk to almost nil by now we can assess what was missed.
1- a chance to develop players in real game situations instead of just practice
2- a chance to beat a nationally ranked ACC team in UNC
3- $500k of guarantee money for that game win or lose (now begging for money)
4- A home game with Chattanooga. Not great, but better than any FCS OOC home game in years.
Plus, the Dukes would have retained Key starters Deangelo Amos and Adeeb Atariwa instead of them bailing to UVA when JMU forfeited the Fall.

Amos and Atariwa had already transferred before JMU cancelled their fall season. There also is no proof that we would have played UNC if it was the only game we decided to play this fall. The ACC moved to cancel all but one conference game... and turned out on 9/17 their game was cancelled because of COVID contract tracing. The same thing could have happened to us. You can't keep acting like the 500K payday was a LOCK. There will be other paydays.
Prediction - we’ll hear about the $500k from Hart for years. Maybe he’ll stop when JMU collects it in 2028.
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(11-13-2020 06:56 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  What is interesting is that JMU’s Fall season would be over now if they didn’t forfeit the Fall.
Bourne said he had 4 to 6 games lined up when the plug was pulled. As the CAA released a plan to play 6 conference games in the Spring JMU could have capped their Fall games at 5 and still be eligible for the FCs title in The Spring.

Now that FBS is in their conference season and JMU’s potential opponents would have shrunk to almost nil by now we can assess what was missed.
1- a chance to develop players in real game situations instead of just practice
2- a chance to beat a nationally ranked ACC team in UNC
3- $500k of guarantee money for that game win or lose (now begging for money)
4- A home game with Chattanooga. Not great, but better than any FCS OOC home game in years.
Plus, the Dukes would have retained Key starters Deangelo Amos and Adeeb Atariwa instead of them bailing to UVA when JMU forfeited the Fall.
Now I remember why they came up with this smilie 05-deadhorse and specifically for this forum. And while we’re living in hindsight, nobody had any idea about the schedule and limitations between fall and spring. We play for championships, that is in the spring, nobody knew if scheduling a few exhibition games would interfere with the scheduling limits and rule you out for the spring championship season. And if you were say only allowed 2 games and you had to pay buyouts for the other 2-4 exhibition games that would not go over with the current funding crunch. How happy would people be if we lost key players to season ending injuries in meaningless games? Lastly, the in-season COVID testing is more intensive, and that comes with a big price tag, those exhibition games would’ve gotten pretty costly to play in from of 0 fans. But anyway, please keep reminding us of how we should’ve taken a depleted team and new QB on the road to UNC to play an exhibition game against a ranked FBS squad, won and cashed a paycheck...and that’s if UNC would’ve still played us and not cancelled out as the ACC intended for OOC payday games.
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