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RE: Could the AAC get a CFP bid and the NY6 bid?
(11-07-2020 11:34 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
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(11-07-2020 05:14 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  I was wondering.... if Cincy makes the CFP, would another team, like SMU, make the NY6 too? Or does it have to be a conference champion that gets the bid?

Yes

We could but the auto bid has to be a conf champ. So it would have to be an at large, and that won't happen.

I was saying getting a team in the playoff would count as the automatic qualifying team.
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RE: Could the AAC get a CFP bid and the NY6 bid?
(11-07-2020 10:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  If a G5 goes to the CFP, there is no obligation on the part of the CFP to put another G5 conference champ into the NY6 slot. I don't recall where I read that. I think it was a Q&A from a national sportswriter years ago, but he cited something solid to back it up.

Makes sense, b/c the P5 would be giving up revenue. Something they detest.

If a CFP team is from any G5 conference, another team in that same conference wouldn't even qualify for a NY6 spot, b/c they would not be the conference champ. As someone else said, they could theoretically get an at large spot, but chances would be slim to none. Lots of 2-loss P5s would beat out any 1-loss G5.

How many "2-loss P5s" are there in an average season, anyway? Maybe 5 or 6? In that case, what would "lots" mean - - all of them beating every 1-loss non-P5 team in every possible matchup, with no exceptions?

How about beating any undefeated non-P5 team? Could all of them do that, in every single case, with no upsets? Probably not - - there would be some upsets.

Take 2-loss Georgia, for example. Would they necessarily beat this season's undefeated BYU team (which just annihilated Boise State, 51-17) on a neutral field, with no chance of an upset?

Heck, they failed to score more than two touchdowns against Kentucky.
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RE: Could the AAC get a CFP bid and the NY6 bid?
I had a dream scenario before covid:

SMU undefeated vs UCF undefeated for the championship game, SMU wins.

13-0 SMU has win over TCU, one loss UCF and Navy, two loss Cincy.

12-1 UCF has wins over Georgia Tech and UNC, and two loss Cincy

11-1 Navy has a close loss to SMU wins over Notre Dame and a ranked Army to finish the year.

10-2 Cincy has close losses to SMU and UCF, win over both MAC division champs and Nebraska.

This scenario Navy with its historic reputation and UCF with its recent history probably gives us a CFP contender and a second at large this year. Especially with another stellar ooc like last year for the AAC as a whole.
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RE: Could the AAC get a CFP bid and the NY6 bid?
(11-07-2020 05:32 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-07-2020 05:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(11-07-2020 05:14 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  I was wondering.... if Cincy makes the CFP, would another team, like SMU, make the NY6 too? Or does it have to be a conference champion that gets the bid?

Yes

It may be theoretically possible, but right now, there are three non-P5 schools ahead of SMU in the AP top 25 (BYU, Coastal Carolina, & Marshall), and all three are currently undefeated.

Now that Georgia has lost two games, Cincinnati will probably move up to #5, pending the results of today's Clemson-Notre Dame game.
However, it's not clear whether the loser of the Clemson-ND game would necessarily fall below Cincy in the CFP rankings. In addition, Cincy will have to win out by convincing margins.


Even though BYU has played a relatively weak schedule, I do think they're legit and are very good. Coastal & Marshall are decent teams, but they're conference and weak schedules will keep them from any legitimate choice as a NY6 bowl representative.
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According to The Athletic's Stuart Mandel only hope is:

. Everybody else — BYU, Cincinnati, whoever emerges from the Big 12 and Pac-12, etc. — should be rooting for the following scenario: Alabama, Ohio State, and Notre Dame all finish as undefeated conference champions, and Texas A&M suffers a second loss.
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(11-09-2020 12:31 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  According to The Athletic's Stuart Mandel only hope is:

. Everybody else — BYU, Cincinnati, whoever emerges from the Big 12 and Pac-12, etc. — should be rooting for the following scenario: Alabama, Ohio State, and Notre Dame all finish as undefeated conference champions, and Texas A&M suffers a second loss.

He's right. That means Florida and A&M, both of whom jumped UC this week, will have 2 losses. It also means Clemson will have 2 losses.
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Could the AAC get a CFP bid and the NY6 bid?
(11-07-2020 07:01 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
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(11-07-2020 05:45 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Shoooooot...Cincy is losing to the ECU juggernaut, so no CFP or NY6 bowl for them. Go Pirates.



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Could the AAC get a CFP bid and the NY6 bid?
Should it possibly happen....yes.

Will it happen.....no way in Hell.


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Yup, I'm a big ND and OSU fan right now which makes me sick but it's a greater good kind of deal for me. All Cincy can do right now is just keep winning and by impressive margins. @UCF will be the major test and @Tulsa could be interesting as well.

Cincy needs to look good in the computer rankings to really have a shot.
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RE: Could the AAC get a CFP bid and the NY6 bid?
(11-09-2020 04:10 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Should it possibly happen....yes.

Will it happen.....no way in Hell.


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Wait a sec. The OP title is not happening. If a non-P5 makes the CFP, the NY6 goes away. Now it is technically possible that another non-P5 could get an at large bid, but no way does the auto NY6 G5 slot stay.
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RE: Could the AAC get a CFP bid and the NY6 bid?
We can all be Auburn fans, they have AnM and Alabama left, already have two losses. That means Texas AnM two losses and whoever loses the championship game two losses.

Wisconson losing one more game would be helpful and eliminate a strong opponent for OSU to play in the championship game. Be a Michigan fan too lol desperation and a rival makes for strange outcomes.

Then the PAC is probably too weak with too few games, so an Oklahoma State loss and ND putting clemson down one more time makes it a sure thing.

You know, no big deal
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RE: Could the AAC get a CFP bid and the NY6 bid?
(11-09-2020 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-09-2020 04:10 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Should it possibly happen....yes.

Will it happen.....no way in Hell.


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Wait a sec. The OP title is not happening. If a non-P5 makes the CFP, the NY6 goes away. Now it is technically possible that another non-P5 could get an at large bid, but no way does the auto NY6 G5 slot stay.

Apparently, only seven of the 12 slots in the NY6 bowls are allocated to specific conferences (or group (G5) of conferences). There are no provisions for having more than one G5 team in the NY6, but if there were two top 12 non-P5 teams in the CFP rankings (e.g., Cincy and BYU, or if there were two undefeated G5 conference champions ranked in the CFP top 12), it might be possible for the Cotton, Fiesta, or Peach Bowl to invite both.

"Overall, 12 teams are selected each football season for these major, top tier bowls. These are required to include the champions of the "Power Five" conferences (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, and SEC). In addition, the highest-ranked champion from the "Group of Five" conferences (The American, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt) is guaranteed a berth if the group's top team is not in the playoff.

Three of the bowls have tie-ins with the specified conference champions in the years they are not hosting playoff semifinals:

Rose Bowl: Big Ten vs. Pac-12
Sugar Bowl: SEC vs. Big 12
Orange Bowl: ACC vs. Big Ten or SEC or Notre Dame

When the conference champion is unavailable, the bowls invite the next-best team from that conference. The Cotton, Fiesta and Peach Bowls have no conference tie-ins; as such, the best conference champion from the Group of Five ends up in one of those bowls if it doesn't end up in a playoff semifinal."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Six


In other words, the G5's automatic bid for the top G5 conference champion would be used up if a team like Cincy were to be one of the top 4 teams. However, this wouldn't prevent another (top 12 CFP) non-P5 team from playing in the Cotton, Fiesta, or Peach Bowl.
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RE: Could the AAC get a CFP bid and the NY6 bid?
(11-09-2020 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-09-2020 04:10 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Should it possibly happen....yes.

Will it happen.....no way in Hell.


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Wait a sec. The OP title is not happening. If a non-P5 makes the CFP, the NY6 goes away. Now it is technically possible that another non-P5 could get an at large bid, but no way does the auto NY6 G5 slot stay.

You just said it is NOT going to happen.... and then you said it could. The title does NOT say "G5 auto-bid", although it does imply that, with the "the" stuck in there. An "at large NY6 bid" is a NY6 bid.
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