(11-07-2020 09:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 08:54 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  I don't see how it makes sense for Boise, so I don't see it happening.

The geography, the money and dumping the other sports into the WAC. Nope.

I don't see how it makes sense for Boise or the AAC. On the other hand, Liberty makes sense for the AAC and Liberty.

I will bet you money Liberty won’t get the votes unless they change their academics. Nothing to do with religion, they accept anyone with a bank account.


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The internet I'm looking at says Liberty's admission standards are similar to current members East Carolina and Memphis. You have a credible link showing they accept everyone based on money? I would like to see it. Thanks

Cut me out of it, and ask your president if he would accept liberty.


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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the reason why UAB was left behind (especially now with their recent commitment to athletics)? I mean, I wish we were a candidate, but I certainly understand why were aren’t/weren’t (Enrollment, access, budget, small market), but UAB seems like a solid add.

Boise left you at the altar after the golden goose left town (P5 status). Liberty is an academic nightmare and is basically a diploma mill. BYU seems apathetic to an invite. Army might be the smartest play if and when expansion is required.

(11-07-2020 09:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 08:54 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  I don't see how it makes sense for Boise, so I don't see it happening.

The geography, the money and dumping the other sports into the WAC. Nope.

I don't see how it makes sense for Boise or the AAC. On the other hand, Liberty makes sense for the AAC and Liberty.

I will bet you money Liberty won’t get the votes unless they change their academics. Nothing to do with religion, they accept anyone with a bank account.


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The internet I'm looking at says Liberty's admission standards are similar to current members East Carolina and Memphis. You have a credible link showing they accept everyone based on money? I would like to see it. Thanks

He’s probably talking about their online college which is different from their residential students.

There's little data for Boise State thus far in 2020, and I'm not able to access their 2019 viewership numbers, but here are their 2018 viewership numbers:

9/1/18: 241,000 (Troy)
9/8/18: 233,000 (UConn)
9/15/18: 1,438,000 (OK State)
10/6/18: 269,000 (SDSU)
10/19/18: 420,000 (CSU)
11/3/18: 470,000 (BYU)
11/9/18: 819,000 (Fresno St.)
11/24/18: 1,078,000 (Utah St.)
12/1/18: 1,036,000 (MWC Championship Game)
12/26/19: 1,445,000 (Bowl Game vs. BC)

Their regular season average viewership appears to have been in the 500,000 viewers per game range.

(11-07-2020 09:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 08:54 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  I don't see how it makes sense for Boise, so I don't see it happening.

The geography, the money and dumping the other sports into the WAC. Nope.

I don't see how it makes sense for Boise or the AAC. On the other hand, Liberty makes sense for the AAC and Liberty.

I will bet you money Liberty won’t get the votes unless they change their academics. Nothing to do with religion, they accept anyone with a bank account.


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The internet I'm looking at says Liberty's admission standards are similar to current members East Carolina and Memphis. You have a credible link showing they accept everyone based on money? I would like to see it. Thanks

Actually Liberty's admission standards are *higher* than I remembered. This link is to an independent third party site. By the way ------- still waiting for that link to your claim that anybody can get in

https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleg...quirements

(11-07-2020 09:53 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 08:54 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  I don't see how it makes sense for Boise, so I don't see it happening.

The geography, the money and dumping the other sports into the WAC. Nope.

I don't see how it makes sense for Boise or the AAC. On the other hand, Liberty makes sense for the AAC and Liberty.

I will bet you money Liberty won’t get the votes unless they change their academics. Nothing to do with religion, they accept anyone with a bank account.


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The internet I'm looking at says Liberty's admission standards are similar to current members East Carolina and Memphis. You have a credible link showing they accept everyone based on money? I would like to see it. Thanks

Cut me out of it, and ask your president if he would accept liberty.


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This is what happens around here when you try to share actual info from a legit source.

The little I've heard from Memphis seems to back you up.

1. The only candidates who have enough votes to be admitted still say no.

My opinion only: I assume that's BYU and Army, at least. Not sure about Boise either way. Pretty sure nobody else. Maybe SDSU if a second team out west came along, but then we would need a third somewhere.

2. We prefer to remain at 11, and make the waiver permanent, unless it's one of those 2 or 3 schools we want. Our second choice is to add a compromise choice over staying with uneven divisions and no waiver.

My opinion only: There seems to be no stomach for uneven divisions, but I'm not sure why.

(11-07-2020 10:02 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 08:54 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  I don't see how it makes sense for Boise, so I don't see it happening.

The geography, the money and dumping the other sports into the WAC. Nope.

I don't see how it makes sense for Boise or the AAC. On the other hand, Liberty makes sense for the AAC and Liberty.

I will bet you money Liberty won’t get the votes unless they change their academics. Nothing to do with religion, they accept anyone with a bank account.


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The internet I'm looking at says Liberty's admission standards are similar to current members East Carolina and Memphis. You have a credible link showing they accept everyone based on money? I would like to see it. Thanks

Actually Liberty's admission standards are *higher* than I remembered. This link is to an independent third party site. By the way ------- still waiting for that link to your claim that anybody can get in

https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleg...quirements

FYI - From the CAA board a Liberty poster acknowledged that their graduation rate was 34%... but that included the online school. He said that the DOA make them report both together. Not sure about admissions, though.

(11-07-2020 05:28 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Liberty is the logical choice, assuming they check the boxes financially.

Liberty isn’t even a real university

(11-07-2020 09:55 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  I wish we were a candidate, but I certainly understand why were aren’t/weren’t (Enrollment, access, budget, small market)...

Marshall is not going to be approached by the AAC, but no one else is, either! It's no mystery why no one from the AAC has reached out to Marshall - - the reason is that - - rather passively and foolishly in my view - - the AAC isn't reaching out to any schools!

Commissioner Aresco has made it crystal clear: If a school wants to join the AAC, they have to make the first move. That's all a school has to do.

If you and your fellow Marshall fans want Marshall to be a candidate, you can do so. You just have to get busy! You've got to start a little "join the AAC" campaign on campus. Contact your alumni organization and the influential donors and the Board of Directors and the President and the Athletic Director. Circulate petitions on campus. Start a letter-writing campaign. Post on all the blogs you can.

The AAC is going to have to make a move in order to move a step closer to power conference status, and it's a very simple move: Replace UConn's FB program with a top 25 or top 30 quality FB program.

However, the AAC Presidents seem to think that they're going to grow into a power conference by sitting on their @$$e$ and doing nothing.

Like a bunch of nincompoops and casper milquetoasts without an ounce of gumption, they are simply waiting for a school with a very good FB program to approach them and make the strongest possible case for membership.

As a result, they have made zero progress since UConn's departure. In fact, they have started sliding backwards because they have failed to take advantage of the opportunity add an NCAA tournament quality BB school.[/b]

You should know this - - there ain't much competition out there! [b]Marshall's FB program has been stronger and more consistent than the vast majority of other possible AAC members. BYU is obviously the #1 option for the AAC, but they're apparently not ready to make the move. Boise State or Air Force might be #2, but they've just signed a 5 year network deal in the MWC. Marshall and App State (and possibly Louisiana) might be next.

If you and your fellow Marshall supporters don't get busy, nothing is going to happen. The early bird gets the worm, and it's just a matter of time before App State or Louisiana puts a membership proposal forward to the AAC. If they get there first, Marshall might miss their chance.

You should know something about herds and that is this:

You've got to grab the bull by the horns!

(11-07-2020 10:16 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:55 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  I wish we were a candidate, but I certainly understand why were aren’t/weren’t (Enrollment, access, budget, small market)...

Marshall is not going to be approached by the AAC, but no one else is, either! It's no mystery why no one from the AAC has reached out to Marshall - - the reason is that - - rather passively and foolishly in my view - - the AAC isn't reaching out to any schools!

Commissioner Aresco has made it crystal clear: If a school wants to join the AAC, they have to make the first move. That's all a school has to do.

If you and your fellow Marshall fans want Marshall to be a candidate, you can do so. You just have to get busy! You've got to start a little "join the AAC" campaign on campus. Contact your alumni organization and the influential donors and the Board of Directors and the President and the Athletic Director. Circulate petitions on campus. Start a letter-writing campaign. Post on all the blogs you can.

The AAC is going to have to make a move in order to move a step closer to power conference status, and it's a very simple move: Replace UConn's FB program with a top 25 or top 30 quality FB program.

However, the AAC Presidents seem to think that they're going to grow into a power conference by sitting on their @$$e$ and doing nothing.

Like a bunch of nincompoops and casper milquetoasts without an ounce of gumption, they are simply waiting for a school with a very good FB program to approach them and make the strongest possible case for membership.

You should know this - - there ain't much competition out there! Marshall's FB program has been stronger and more consistent than the vast majority of other possible AAC members. BYU is obviously the #1 option for the AAC, but they're apparently not ready to make the move. Boise State or Air Force might be #2, but they've just signed a 5 year network deal in the MWC. Marshall and App State (and possibly Louisiana) might be next.

If you and your fellow Marshall supporters don't get busy, nothing is going to happen. The early bird gets the worm, and it's just a matter of time before App State or Louisiana puts a membership proposal forward to the AAC. If they get there first, Marshall might miss their chance.

You should know something about herds and that is this:

You've got to grab the bull by the horns!

Villanova doesn’t get a vote in AAC matters


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(11-07-2020 10:22 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 10:16 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:55 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  I wish we were a candidate, but I certainly understand why were aren’t/weren’t (Enrollment, access, budget, small market)...

Marshall is not going to be approached by the AAC, but no one else is, either! It's no mystery why no one from the AAC has reached out to Marshall - - the reason is that - - rather passively and foolishly in my view - - the AAC isn't reaching out to any schools!

Commissioner Aresco has made it crystal clear: If a school wants to join the AAC, they have to make the first move. That's all a school has to do.

If you and your fellow Marshall fans want Marshall to be a candidate, you can do so. You just have to get busy! You've got to start a little "join the AAC" campaign on campus. Contact your alumni organization and the influential donors and the Board of Directors and the President and the Athletic Director. Circulate petitions on campus. Start a letter-writing campaign. Post on all the blogs you can.

The AAC is going to have to make a move in order to move a step closer to power conference status, and it's a very simple move: Replace UConn's FB program with a top 25 or top 30 quality FB program.

Like a bunch of nincompoops and casper milquetoasts without an ounce of gumption, they are simply waiting for a school with a very good FB program to approach them and make the strongest possible case for membership.

You should know this - - there ain't much competition out there! Marshall's FB program has been stronger and more consistent than the vast majority of other possible AAC members. BYU is obviously the #1 option for the AAC, but they're apparently not ready to make the move. Boise State or Air Force might be #2, but they've just signed a 5 year network deal in the MWC. Marshall and App State (and possibly Louisiana) might be next.

If you and your fellow Marshall supporters don't get busy, nothing is going to happen. The early bird gets the worm, and it's just a matter of time before App State or Louisiana puts a membership proposal forward to the AAC. If they get there first, Marshall might miss their chance.

You should know something about herds and that is this:

You've got to grab the bull by the horns!

Villanova...

Pony94 seems to think that being a "moderator" gives him the right to engage in ad hominem behavior by mocking posters that he simply happens to disagree with.

Mocking posters for their opinions is not the proper role of a moderator.

A respectable response would be to explain the grounds of disagreement and encourage the readers to make up their own minds.

(11-07-2020 09:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 08:54 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  I don't see how it makes sense for Boise, so I don't see it happening.

The geography, the money and dumping the other sports into the WAC. Nope.

I don't see how it makes sense for Boise or the AAC. On the other hand, Liberty makes sense for the AAC and Liberty.

I will bet you money Liberty won’t get the votes unless they change their academics. Nothing to do with religion, they accept anyone with a bank account.


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The internet I'm looking at says Liberty's admission standards are similar to current members East Carolina and Memphis. You have a credible link showing they accept everyone based on money? I would like to see it. Thanks

You're both right. They take adult non-traditional students without any serious limitations. They are also part of the service members opportunity college network and are generous with granting credit for prior military courses, as long as they have been evaluated by ACE. Entering freshman, ie traditional students, do have freshmen admission standards, ACT or SAT, etc. I know a lot of people who have taken course work through them and finished degrees. As far as I could tell from tutoring service members Liberty is not lacking in their academics. But I understand where Pony is coming from, they are viewed as a diploma mill by traditional schools.

I understand that the AAC isn’t going to approach us. I never intended to imply that. Even if we had a bajillion petitions and whatever else, when it boils down to brass tacks, the budget isn’t there, the enrollment isn’t there to be considered a peer public school, and although we are close to the Tulsa market, we don’t check the budget box that Tulsa has.

I’m not pimping us in any way, I just made a statement about my understanding of why we weren’t invited. My question was more about UAB

(11-07-2020 10:32 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  I understand that the AAC isn’t going to approach us. I never intended to imply that. Even if we had a bajillion petitions and whatever else, when it boils down to brass tacks, the budget isn’t there, the enrollment isn’t there to be considered a peer public school, and although we are close to the Tulsa market, we don’t check the budget box that Tulsa has.

I’m not pimping us in any way, I just made a statement about my understanding of why we weren’t invited. My question was more about UAB

uab was literally shutdown this decade, any for financial issue... uab there athletic success isnt "horrible" but not notable.. their brand in atheltics isnt a boost to the conference, Birmingham isnt an enticing market ..
we get that they are building a stadium, tons of g5 are building stadiums...what is their selling point

does adding them in anyway or form push the aac closer towards its ambition of p6.. if the answer is no (it is a no) likely not a good add....we likely only add a mac/sunbelt/c-usa school if they build a boise like brand with a multi year run

(11-07-2020 02:18 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Boise is a good program. That being said, we don’t need them and don’t want them. Too far, and a proven bad partner.

I'll take em. Bring in BYU and SDSU while you're at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Nevada too.

(11-07-2020 10:31 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 08:54 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  I don't see how it makes sense for Boise, so I don't see it happening.

The geography, the money and dumping the other sports into the WAC. Nope.

I don't see how it makes sense for Boise or the AAC. On the other hand, Liberty makes sense for the AAC and Liberty.

I will bet you money Liberty won’t get the votes unless they change their academics. Nothing to do with religion, they accept anyone with a bank account.


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The internet I'm looking at says Liberty's admission standards are similar to current members East Carolina and Memphis. You have a credible link showing they accept everyone based on money? I would like to see it. Thanks

You're both right. They take adult non-traditional students without any serious limitations. They are also part of the service members opportunity college network and are generous with granting credit for prior military courses, as long as they have been evaluated by ACE. Entering freshman, ie traditional students, do have freshmen admission standards, ACT or SAT, etc. I know a lot of people who have taken course work through them and finished degrees. As far as I could tell from tutoring service members Liberty is not lacking in their academics. But I understand where Pony is coming from, they are viewed as a diploma mill by traditional schools.

So it is not academics keeping Liberty from obtaining more than one or two votes. It is not because it is a private school. It is not due to lack of commitment or winning. What is it (assuming it makes sense financially)?

(11-07-2020 09:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 08:54 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  I don't see how it makes sense for Boise, so I don't see it happening.

The geography, the money and dumping the other sports into the WAC. Nope.

I don't see how it makes sense for Boise or the AAC. On the other hand, Liberty makes sense for the AAC and Liberty.

Liberty????? Are you fkng kidding me? Just what we need, another southern school. Bible thumping southern school on top of it. We're the "American". Let's make our own mark. We don't want to be another Southern conference. California to Florida to New York to Washington State....."American!".

The Belt doesn't even want Liberty. Marshall is in too small of an market, UAB is only 3 years removed from shutting down the FB program There is no school east of Mississippi River that make sense, other than maybe Army. Army isn't coming. BYU all sports, hands down would be the best get. ESPN likely would have to do a bit of a bump to help travel cost. That being said, BYU isn't coming either. I am not that big on Boise. Best bet for now is get permanent ok to do like we are now, and stand pat.

(11-07-2020 05:20 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 04:07 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 03:57 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Boise is the only school the AAC Presidents have a unanimous YES vote on......

Would you mind expanding on that? When did this vote take place? Thank you

Soon after Connecticut announced their departure, the AAC Commissioner, Mike Aresco, let the cat out of the bag in stating that there was a very short list of new members that the conference would consider. From early on, the list was rumored said to include three (3 = "very few" schools: BYU, Army (FB only), and Boise State (FB only).

Oh OK, thank you for responding. I did not know that there was an actual vote.

(11-07-2020 05:51 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 05:12 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 04:27 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 01:32 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  I have no idea at all if this guy is an insider but he is adamant that it is a done deal and has been for a while. Granted he is getting a ton of grief and push back for making the statement but he is sticking by it. Anyway any “AAC” insiders hear the same thing? Here’s the link to the thread on the MWC board:

https://www.mwcboard.com/index.php?/topi.../#comments

Dude, you forgot to add the customary "Uttini!"

Go away, now. Obvious troll is...obvious.

What are you talking about? Is the modern definition of “troll” anyone that has an opinion that differs from your own? I literally shared the link of the thread that the poster created and asked if anyone here had heard something similar. How on earth is that “trollish”? And I don’t know what that last word is that you’re talking about,It sounds like a special at Carrabba’s. Oh by the way, aren’t you guys playing a game right now?

A "troll" is a poster who posts things with absolutely no proof just to get other posters to bite on it. That would be YOU. Your "proof" is some link to another discussion on another fan-board. I suppose you could sell the Brooklyn Bridge or some lovely property in the Everglades with such a tactic, but it would make you no less of a troll. You chummed up the water, the fish come out, and then you have your "discussion."

As to my other reference(s), I had an oblique reference to "The Dude of WV" and then the once ubiquitous "Tuxedo Yoda" and his alter-ego "Naughty Jawa" (or whatever he was called), who used to troll these boards with every salacious rumor they could concoct about how "It was a done deal" that this team or that team was moving to this conference or that conference. All of which was crap and none of which actually happened.

I'm just going to say it: I think you're full of s***. Period. Whether you're the aforementioned "Fanhood" or the second-coming of "Tuxedo Yoda," or really some other troll who comes to these pages to stir up crap, you're full of s***.

What on earth are you talking about? You do know that I provided a link from a different poster. I’m not that poster. I’m literally asking if anyone else has heard something similar. It’s like you’re literally responding to something that I didn’t even write. It’s very odd.