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(11-06-2020 02:13 PM)vick mike Wrote:  In the American, our longest track record is against Cincinnati followed by ECU.

Temple's track record vs. Tulane dates back to 1935, and Temple's track record vs. SMU dates back to 1942.

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

Lol, no.

Depending on who you ask and their age you will get Arkansas who we started playing in the late 1890s and who we are the closest school to or Oklahoma St who we started playing the year after ECU became a school. We have played Oklahoma St one more time than Arkansas and have more wins, but the blood is more bitter between us and Arkansas including long stretches where one team or the other forced long streaks of home games.

We have played lots of teams more often than OU and have had little success or played them for meaningful games in that history. OSU is a Tulsa based school, OU is OKC based, the western and eastern parts of the state had little in common.

Houston is our third rival, we have played them a considerable bit more than everyone but the two schools a 100 miles or less away from us. We have played them for high stakes and for pretty long periods of time. While in CUSA we traded the west division back and forth between us. It has plenty of meaningful moments including running up the scores, messing up bowl invitations, rankings, and just a general dislike "put that in your pipe and smoke it".

Houston has played us the most in their history, yes even more than cross town rival Rice. While Houston clearly hates Texas they actually haven't played that often as Texas has ducked them when they didn't share a conference, they have actually played Texas fewer times than we have played OU.

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

Based on this, if the AAC added Southern Miss they would add a potential rival for both Tulane and Memphis. Conversely, if they added Rice, they would add a potential rival for both Tulane and Houston, and a lot more history and great academics. hmmm

(11-06-2020 08:09 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

Based on this, if the AAC added Southern Miss they would add a potential rival for both Tulane and Memphis. Conversely, if they added Rice, they would add a potential rival for both Tulane and Houston, and a lot more history and great academics. hmmm

I'd say ECU vs USM is a rivalry as we've played them 39x in a series that began in 1951.

(11-06-2020 07:20 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  .

(11-06-2020 02:13 PM)vick mike Wrote:  In the American, our longest track record is against Cincinnati followed by ECU.

Temple's track record vs. Tulane dates back to 1935, and Temple's track record vs. SMU dates back to 1942.

I was referring to the number of games, not first time playing, based on the lists provided.

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

Tulane is NOT a rival of Auburn!! Auburn rivalries would be UGA(my team, Deep South's Oldest Rivalry), Alabama (Iron Bowl), LSU (Tiger Bowl) Georgia Tech (Wreck Tech Pajama Parade), and Florida. You could also include Tennessee and possibly Clemson. No Tulane.
Now Mississippi State is a different story, and I could see that, given the proximity between Starkville and New Orleans.
An old rival Temple fans may have forgotten would be Bucknell, but it's been years since the teams last played. Temple used to have a pillow fight rivalry with Rutgers to see who could stay out of the Big East's basement, if I recall.
I thought Houston vs SMU was a rivalry??


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(11-07-2020 06:35 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

Tulane is NOT a rival of Auburn!! Auburn rivalries would be UGA(my team, Deep South's Oldest Rivalry), Alabama (Iron Bowl), LSU (Tiger Bowl) Georgia Tech (Wreck Tech Pajama Parade), and Florida. You could also include Tennessee and possibly Clemson. No Tulane.
Now Mississippi State is a different story, and I could see that, given the proximity between Starkville and New Orleans.
An old rival Temple fans may have forgotten would be Bucknell, but it's been years since the teams last played. Temple used to have a pillow fight rivalry with Rutgers to see who could stay out of the Big East's basement, if I recall.
I thought Houston vs SMU was a rivalry??


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SMU loves to hate Houston because of the 95 points they hung on our freshmen following the death penalty. Even Notre Dame didn’t do that though they easily could have. North Texas considers us a rival but we don’t feel the same way toward them.

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

This thread seems to have gotten away from the op's topic of AAC rivals. However, to me a rival or a rivalry exists when BOTH teams have an intense desire to beat the other team. Therefore some of your examples fail the definition of rivals.

Houston might consider Texas a rival, but Texas does not consider Houston a rival.

Tulane might consider LSU, Auburn and Ole Miss rivals, but they do not consider Tulane a rival

ECU might consider NC State and No. Carolina rivals, but they do not consider ECU a rival.

The same goes for Temple and Penn State.

Tulsa might consider OSU, OU and Arkansas rivals, but they do not consider Tulsa a rival.

(11-07-2020 11:29 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

This thread seems to have gotten away from the op's topic of AAC rivals. However, to me a rival or a rivalry exists when BOTH teams have an intense desire to beat the other team. Therefore some of your examples fail the definition of rivals.

Houston might consider Texas a rival, but Texas does not consider Houston a rival.

Tulane might consider LSU, Auburn and Ole Miss rivals, but they do not consider Tulane a rival

ECU might consider NC State and No. Carolina rivals, but they do not consider ECU a rival.

The same goes for Temple and Penn State.

Tulsa might consider OSU, OU and Arkansas rivals, but they do not consider Tulsa a rival.

Let's face it. There are no true rivalries in the AAC. All of the teams true rivals are in other leagues. With the possible exception of the UCF vs USF rivalry.

(11-07-2020 11:39 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 11:29 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

This thread seems to have gotten away from the op's topic of AAC rivals. However, to me a rival or a rivalry exists when BOTH teams have an intense desire to beat the other team. Therefore some of your examples fail the definition of rivals.

Houston might consider Texas a rival, but Texas does not consider Houston a rival.

Tulane might consider LSU, Auburn and Ole Miss rivals, but they do not consider Tulane a rival

ECU might consider NC State and No. Carolina rivals, but they do not consider ECU a rival.

The same goes for Temple and Penn State.

Tulsa might consider OSU, OU and Arkansas rivals, but they do not consider Tulsa a rival.

Let's face it. There are no true rivalries in the AAC. All of the teams true rivals are in other leagues. With the possible exception of the UCF vs USF rivalry.

UNC and NC State fight about whether or not they are rivals. OU and OSU fight about whether or not they are rivals. When you have been playing for more than 50 years and lots of games, for important thing like championships or local bragging rights, people now can say what they want, but that is a rivalry.

USF and UCF have everything needed to be a rivalry, except history and games of value. That may change.

It is not uncommon for the best rivalry to be outside the conference, nor is there any rule that says you can only have one. Georgia hates Florida and Bama, Bama hates Auburn. Florida St and Florida hate each other. ND well there is a list of people for them. Texas and OU were ooc forever, and Texas vs Arkansas was a huge deal in the SWC.

Some of you whine too much. There is a lot of history between a lot of schools in this conference. There are rivalries and series which may become one and have the foundation to do so. ECU UCF needs ECU to be good again. Cincy Memphis hasn't really been a thing in football but the schools have what's needed for it to happen and a good basketball history to use as a platform.

(11-07-2020 11:29 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

This thread seems to have gotten away from the op's topic of AAC rivals. However, to me a rival or a rivalry exists when BOTH teams have an intense desire to beat the other team. Therefore some of your examples fail the definition of rivals.

Houston might consider Texas a rival, but Texas does not consider Houston a rival.

Tulane might consider LSU, Auburn and Ole Miss rivals, but they do not consider Tulane a rival

ECU might consider NC State and No. Carolina rivals, but they do not consider ECU a rival.

The same goes for Temple and Penn State.

Tulsa might consider OSU, OU and Arkansas rivals, but they do not consider Tulsa a rival.

Disagree slightly about Temple and Penn State (and some other historically-competitive intra-state rivalries) for these reasons:

First, they have played a long series of 45 games, dating back to 1931, and the series represents one of three FBS-level intra-state rivalries (Penn State-Temple, Temple-Pitt, and Pitt-Penn State).

Second, while Penn State has dominated the series, Temple has been quite competitive in 25 of their 45 contests, 21 of which were decided by a margin of 14 points or less.

Third, while an intra-state rivalry isn't as nationally consequential as - - for example - - Michigan vs. Ohio State - - it is regionally important because the games are well attended, high viewership contests that have consequences with respect to statewide recruiting, etc.

Fourth, any long-standing series that generates emotion on both sides is to some extent a rivalry, even if the series has generally been dominated by one team, due to the power of tradition.

- - Why? Because the historically dominant team has to play hard, lest they get knocked off by their old/former/"traditional" rival, which is usually pumped up for the game.

- - In addition, traditional "bragging rights" are at stake, and some of these games have dedicated trophies (e.g., Michigan vs. Minnesota's "Little Brown Jug," Tulane vs. LSU's "Battle for the Rag").

- - Another element of a rivalry, even though it may be more of a one-way rivalry in many cases, is the "revenge factor." The dominant team may not consider an opponent that they have beaten regularly to be a rival, but every now and then the revenge factor raises its head and proves the power of a rivalry, much to their chagrin.

Fifth, if you don't think that Penn State has an intense desire to beat Temple when they play the Owls, you've got another thing coming!

(11-07-2020 11:29 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

This thread seems to have gotten away from the op's topic of AAC rivals. However, to me a rival or a rivalry exists when BOTH teams have an intense desire to beat the other team. Therefore some of your examples fail the definition of rivals.

Houston might consider Texas a rival, but Texas does not consider Houston a rival.

Tulane might consider LSU, Auburn and Ole Miss rivals, but they do not consider Tulane a rival

ECU might consider NC State and No. Carolina rivals, but they do not consider ECU a rival.

The same goes for Temple and Penn State.

Tulsa might consider OSU, OU and Arkansas rivals, but they do not consider Tulsa a rival.

To Texoma and the rest of the board:

I want to apologize to you guys. I was mistaken on Auburn vs Tulane. It is a rivalry, according to Google, albeit a forgotten one, kind of like Bucknell vs Temple. Even Gus Malzahn, Auburn's head coach said it was a rivalry, so I will take you guys and his word for it.

I would say that although NC State doesn't like to to talk about it much, East Carolina is definitely a rivalry for them. There's even a rivalry trophy awarded to the winner of the football game when they play, called the Victory Barrel. The main issues on the NC State- ECU rivalry to me are these:

1. When do you play it?? At the beginning of the year, it really gives a poor showing of both teams, IMO. And, at the end of the year, NC State likes to play it's archrival, UNC, so that's out too, IMO.
All of this is IMO, but I would play it around the same time Texas plays Oklahoma and FSU plays Miami (FL). It's a good, middle of the year type rivalry.

2. Where do you play it?? NC State fans don't like ECU fans celebrating wins in their stadium, but can't bring themselves to make the trip to Greenville, NC. Solution? Neutral site venue like Charlotte, home to neither team.

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USF and UCF seem to be the closest to an AAC rivalry, memphis and houston seem to be another
we have a great league and we’re all striving to have equal opportunity’s in today’s college sports and cincinnati was sure lucky to win that game yesterday against houston

Another factor to consider for lopsided rivalries is whether the dominant team would be particularly embarrassed to lose to the inferior team. As much as SMU fans hate to consider UNT a rival, it is particularly embarrassing to lose to them. A loss to UTEP, UTSA, Texas State, etc. probably wouldn't sting as much as a loss to UNT because they are the inferior program in our back yard. The same applies for TCU with SMU. Many TCU fans have arrogantly wanted to discontinue the rivalry with SMU because of their sustained excellence and SMU's abysmal track record for many years but the times we have beaten them in the last 20+ years have been particularly embarrassing to TCU fans. Rice and Navy do not evoke hatred but respect, they are rivals born out of commonality and tradition more than anything else. Houston is a rival based out of geography and disdain.

(11-08-2020 07:55 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  USF and UCF seem to be the closest to an AAC rivalry, memphis and houston seem to be another
we have a great league and we’re all striving to have equal opportunity’s in today’s college sports and cincinnati was sure lucky to win that game yesterday against houston

A couple years ago, I would have agreed. But after the butt-whoopin Cincinnati just put on us last week, I have a feeling Memphis fans are gonna be super concentrated on Cincy for the foreseeable future. I mean... we hold the all-time record over them 23-14. I mean.... we don't just "looooose" to Cincinnati... Damnit.

Closest UC has to a rival is probably Memphis. Also closest drive to an away game at about 8 hours.

(11-08-2020 08:01 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Closest UC has to a rival is probably Memphis. Also closest drive to an away game at about 8 hours.

Especially considering the final game/championship last year, coupled with this year's beat-down. This could get heated.

(11-08-2020 05:19 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 11:29 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

This thread seems to have gotten away from the op's topic of AAC rivals. However, to me a rival or a rivalry exists when BOTH teams have an intense desire to beat the other team. Therefore some of your examples fail the definition of rivals.

Houston might consider Texas a rival, but Texas does not consider Houston a rival.

Tulane might consider LSU, Auburn and Ole Miss rivals, but they do not consider Tulane a rival

ECU might consider NC State and No. Carolina rivals, but they do not consider ECU a rival.

The same goes for Temple and Penn State.

Tulsa might consider OSU, OU and Arkansas rivals, but they do not consider Tulsa a rival.

To Texoma and the rest of the board:

I want to apologize to you guys. I was mistaken on Auburn vs Tulane. It is a rivalry, according to Google, albeit a forgotten one, kind of like Bucknell vs Temple. Even Gus Malzahn, Auburn's head coach said it was a rivalry, so I will take you guys and his word for it.

I would say that although NC State doesn't like to to talk about it much, East Carolina is definitely a rivalry for them. There's even a rivalry trophy awarded to the winner of the football game when they play, called the Victory Barrel. The main issues on the NC State- ECU rivalry to me are these:

1. When do you play it?? At the beginning of the year, it really gives a poor showing of both teams, IMO. And, at the end of the year, NC State likes to play it's archrival, UNC, so that's out too, IMO.
All of this is IMO, but I would play it around the same time Texas plays Oklahoma and FSU plays Miami (FL). It's a good, middle of the year type rivalry.

2. Where do you play it?? NC State fans don't like ECU fans celebrating wins in their stadium, but can't bring themselves to make the trip to Greenville, NC. Solution? Neutral site venue like Charlotte, home to neither team.

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We play home and homes games against NC State, right now we play every three years, but has recently been more. Next game is in Greenville for 2022

Auburn vs. Tulane is a former SEC game but not a rivalry. It's not like LSU in terms of history.

Tulane has trophy games with LSU and USM. Those are the rivalries.

(11-07-2020 11:29 AM)texoma Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

This thread seems to have gotten away from the op's topic of AAC rivals. However, to me a rival or a rivalry exists when BOTH teams have an intense desire to beat the other team. Therefore some of your examples fail the definition of rivals.

Houston might consider Texas a rival, but Texas does not consider Houston a rival.

Tulane might consider LSU, Auburn and Ole Miss rivals, but they do not consider Tulane a rival

ECU might consider NC State and No. Carolina rivals, but they do not consider ECU a rival.

The same goes for Temple and Penn State.

Tulsa might consider OSU, OU and Arkansas rivals, but they do not consider Tulsa a rival.

We could have a rivalry if yall didn't duck us