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I think the series has to actually be competitive to actually call it a rivalry. It also has to be a series that’s regularly played and isn’t ancient history. I wouldn’t honestly consider ND Navy a rivalry. It’s a big brother little brother thing, but not a rivalry anymore than Ohio State Northwestern is a Rivalry. Both series have been played more than 80 times. But one school has clearly dominated.

I wouldn’t mind a one sided rivalry (only one team thinks it’s a rivalry) if the series was actually relatively close and it was still played frequently. (Houston v Tulsa) but you can’t consider a team that’s whooped your butts year after year for decades or one that refuses to play you for decades a rival.
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(11-08-2020 11:25 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I think the series has to actually be competitive to actually call it a rivalry. It also has to be a series that’s regularly played and isn’t ancient history. I wouldn’t honestly consider ND Navy a rivalry. It’s a big brother little brother thing, but not a rivalry anymore than Ohio State Northwestern is a Rivalry. Both series have been played more than 80 times. But one school has clearly dominated.

No beef with this part of your post, because you started out with the words "I think," thus making it clear that this is just your own opinion and allowing the discussion to continue.

(11-08-2020 11:25 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I wouldn’t mind a one sided rivalry (only one team thinks it’s a rivalry) if the series was actually relatively close and it was still played frequently. (Houston v Tulsa) but you can’t consider a team that’s whooped your butts year after year for decades or one that refuses to play you for decades a rival.

The last half of this sentence seems (perhaps unintentionally) to suggest that you don't want to have a discussion about this, but just to state your view on the topic and somehow expect everyone who has stated differing opinions above that your view is the "correct" one.

I'm guessing that you actually do respect the other opinions above, but missed the opportunity to engage with those opinions. It would have been more interesting if you were to try to refute them point by point, or to discuss the pros and cons of various definitions of "rivalries."

A lot of people do this, and maybe we all do it sometimes. I have to remind myself not to state opinions as if they are apodictic certainties.
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(11-09-2020 01:26 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-08-2020 11:25 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I think the series has to actually be competitive to actually call it a rivalry. It also has to be a series that’s regularly played and isn’t ancient history. I wouldn’t honestly consider ND Navy a rivalry. It’s a big brother little brother thing, but not a rivalry anymore than Ohio State Northwestern is a Rivalry. Both series have been played more than 80 times. But one school has clearly dominated.

No beef with this part of your post, because you started out with the words "I think," thus making it clear that this is just your own opinion and allowing the discussion to continue.

(11-08-2020 11:25 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I wouldn’t mind a one sided rivalry (only one team thinks it’s a rivalry) if the series was actually relatively close and it was still played frequently. (Houston v Tulsa) but you can’t consider a team that’s whooped your butts year after year for decades or one that refuses to play you for decades a rival.

The last half of this sentence seems (perhaps unintentionally) to suggest that you don't want to have a discussion about this, but just to state your view on the topic and somehow expect everyone who has stated differing opinions above that your view is the "correct" one.

I'm guessing that you actually do respect the other opinions above, but missed the opportunity to engage with those opinions. It would have been more interesting if you were to try to refute them point by point, or to discuss the pros and cons of various definitions of "rivalries."

A lot of people do this, and maybe we all do it sometimes. I have to remind myself not to state opinions as if they are apodictic certainties.

That’s because there is logic behind my opinion. Logic being that you’re not someone’s rival when they beat you into submission year after year, or when they refuse to interact with you at all.
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I don't see UCF vs ECU as a rival. When they were clawing to get into the big east we had an online thing but our fanbase could care less. Having extra tickets I know which teams are in demand and ECU is not one of them.
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(11-08-2020 08:07 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(11-08-2020 08:01 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Closest UC has to a rival is probably Memphis. Also closest drive to an away game at about 8 hours.

Especially considering the final game/championship last year, coupled with this year's beat-down. This could get heated. 04-cheers

UM/Cincy the basketball carries over into the football as well.
You just want to beat them, not as intense as UL but close.
Houston is more recent, not aged yet.
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(11-08-2020 08:07 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(11-08-2020 08:01 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Closest UC has to a rival is probably Memphis. Also closest drive to an away game at about 8 hours.

Especially considering the final game/championship last year, coupled with this year's beat-down. This could get heated. 04-cheers

I'm all for it! I look forward to playing Memphis in both major sports, much more so than any other AAC school.
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(11-09-2020 09:31 AM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  I don't see UCF vs ECU as a rival. When they were clawing to get into the big east we had an online thing but our fanbase could care less. Having extra tickets I know which teams are in demand and ECU is not one of them.

This. A lot of the Western teams (Houston, SMU, Memphis) are usually hotter tickets on our end.
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(11-08-2020 07:59 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(11-08-2020 07:55 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  USF and UCF seem to be the closest to an AAC rivalry, memphis and houston seem to be another
we have a great league and we’re all striving to have equal opportunity’s in today’s college sports and cincinnati was sure lucky to win that game yesterday against houston

A couple years ago, I would have agreed. But after the butt-whoopin Cincinnati just put on us last week, I have a feeling Memphis fans are gonna be super concentrated on Cincy for the foreseeable future. I mean... we hold the all-time record over them 23-14. I mean.... we don't just "looooose" to Cincinnati... Damnit.


It’s heating back up. Damn you Nick Van Excel!

Houston has legit potential as does UCF.


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(11-09-2020 11:36 AM)geef Wrote:  
(11-08-2020 08:07 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(11-08-2020 08:01 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Closest UC has to a rival is probably Memphis. Also closest drive to an away game at about 8 hours.

Especially considering the final game/championship last year, coupled with this year's beat-down. This could get heated. 04-cheers

I'm all for it! I look forward to playing Memphis in both major sports, much more so than any other AAC school.


I do as well with Cincy. This conference could use some hate. Not one sided beat downs with a team we have played forever.


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(11-07-2020 11:29 AM)texoma Wrote:  
(11-06-2020 02:49 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  True Rivals
UCF - USF, ECU
USF - UCF
Houston - Rice, Texas
Tulane - LSU, Southern Miss, Auburn, Ole Miss
Memphis - Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Louisville, Cincinnati
Cincinnati- Miami (OH), Memphis, Louisville, Pitt
ECU - NC State, North Carolina, App State, Marshall, UCF
Temple - Villanova, Penn State
Navy - Army, Air Force, Notre Dame, SMU
SMU - TCU, North Texas, Rice, Navy
Tulsa - Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Arkansas

This thread seems to have gotten away from the op's topic of AAC rivals. However, to me a rival or a rivalry exists when BOTH teams have an intense desire to beat the other team. Therefore some of your examples fail the definition of rivals.

Houston might consider Texas a rival, but Texas does not consider Houston a rival.

Tulane might consider LSU, Auburn and Ole Miss rivals, but they do not consider Tulane a rival

ECU might consider NC State and No. Carolina rivals, but they do not consider ECU a rival.

The same goes for Temple and Penn State.

Tulsa might consider OSU, OU and Arkansas rivals, but they do not consider Tulsa a rival.

Exactly. Houston doesnt really have any "rivalies" anymore. Our big games now are just when we play a P5 team or a ranked team---or even key teams that are in contention for the conference championship (especially if we are also in contention). We dont really have a team that is a big game regardless of whether we are in contention for the league or not. Im hoping SMU's resurgence might make that become the kind of game everyone looks forward to every year.
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(11-05-2020 05:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  American Athletic Conference Football Series:

MATCH-UP______________________NO. GAMES____BEGAN
Houston vs Tulsa...............................44 games..........1963
Memphis vs Cincinnati.......................37 games..........1966
Memphis vs Tulane............................36 games..........1954
Houston vs SMU................................36 games..........1935
Cincinnati vs Tulsa.............................34 games..........1946
Memphis vs SMU...............................30 games..........1961
Memphis vs Tulsa..............................30 games..........1961
Tulane vs SMU..................................27 games..........1943
Tulsa vs SMU....................................27 games..........1935
Houston vs Cincinnati........................26 games..........1957
Houston vs Tulane.............................25 games.........1968
Navy vs Tulane.................................25 games..........1969
East Carolina vs Cincinnati.................23 games..........1986
East Carolina vs Memphis..................22 games..........1990
Navy vs SMU....................................22 games.........1930
Temple vs Cincinnati..........................22 games.........1973
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Central Florida vs East Carolina...........19 games..........1991
South Florida vs Cincinnati.................18 games..........2003
Tulane vs Cincinnati..........................17 games..........1909
Tulane vs East Carolina.....................16 games...........1991
Temple vs East Carolina....................16 games...........1982
Navy vs Temple...............................15 games...........1988
Houston vs East Carolina...................14 games..........1997
Central Florida vs South Florida..........11 games..........2005
Navy vs East Carolina.........................8 games..........2006
Navy vs Houston................................7 games..........1980

Rivals or just continuing series?
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(11-05-2020 05:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  American Athletic Conference Football Series:

MATCH-UP_______________________YEARS______BEGAN
Houston vs Tulsa...............................44 games..........1963
Memphis vs Cincinnati.......................37 games..........1966
Memphis vs Tulane............................36 games..........1954
Houston vs SMU................................36 games..........1935
Cincinnati vs Tulsa.............................34 games..........1946
Memphis vs SMU...............................30 games..........1961
Memphis vs Tulsa..............................30 games..........1961
Tulane vs SMU..................................27 games..........1943
Tulsa vs SMU....................................27 games..........1935
Houston vs Cincinnati........................26 games..........1957
Houston vs Tulane.............................25 games.........1968
Navy vs Tulane.................................25 games..........1969
East Carolina vs Cincinnati.................23 games..........1986
East Carolina vs Memphis..................22 games..........1990
Navy vs SMU....................................22 games.........1930
Temple vs Cincinnati..........................22 games.........1973
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Central Florida vs East Carolina...........19 games..........1991
South Florida vs Cincinnati.................18 games..........2003
Tulane vs Cincinnati..........................17 games..........1909
Tulane vs East Carolina.....................16 games...........1991
Temple vs East Carolina....................16 games...........1982
Navy vs Temple...............................15 games...........1988
Houston vs East Carolina...................14 games..........1997
Central Florida vs South Florida..........11 games..........2005
Navy vs East Carolina.........................8 games..........2006
Navy vs Houston................................7 games..........1980

Memphis vs Houston 28 games since 1963.

Also 14 and 11 games vs ucf and USF.
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(11-11-2020 01:29 PM)virgosports Wrote:  
(11-05-2020 05:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  American Athletic Conference Football Series:

MATCH-UP_______________________YEARS______BEGAN
Houston vs Tulsa...............................44 games..........1963
Memphis vs Cincinnati.......................37 games..........1966
Memphis vs Tulane............................36 games..........1954
Houston vs SMU................................36 games..........1935
Cincinnati vs Tulsa.............................34 games..........1946
Memphis vs SMU...............................30 games..........1961
Memphis vs Tulsa..............................30 games..........1961
Tulane vs SMU..................................27 games..........1943
Tulsa vs SMU....................................27 games..........1935
Houston vs Cincinnati........................26 games..........1957
Houston vs Tulane.............................25 games.........1968
Navy vs Tulane.................................25 games..........1969
East Carolina vs Cincinnati.................23 games..........1986
East Carolina vs Memphis..................22 games..........1990
Navy vs SMU....................................22 games.........1930
Temple vs Cincinnati..........................22 games.........1973
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Central Florida vs East Carolina...........19 games..........1991
South Florida vs Cincinnati.................18 games..........2003
Tulane vs Cincinnati..........................17 games..........1909
Tulane vs East Carolina.....................16 games...........1991
Temple vs East Carolina....................16 games...........1982
Navy vs Temple...............................15 games...........1988
Houston vs East Carolina...................14 games..........1997
Central Florida vs South Florida..........11 games..........2005
Navy vs East Carolina.........................8 games..........2006
Navy vs Houston................................7 games..........1980

Memphis vs Houston 28 games since 1963.

Also 14 and 11 games vs ucf and USF.

Thanks for the input, I updated my original post.
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(11-11-2020 01:29 PM)virgosports Wrote:  
(11-05-2020 05:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  American Athletic Conference Football Series:

MATCH-UP_______________________YEARS______BEGAN
Houston vs Tulsa...............................44 games..........1963
Memphis vs Cincinnati.......................37 games..........1966
Memphis vs Tulane............................36 games..........1954
Houston vs SMU................................36 games..........1935
Cincinnati vs Tulsa.............................34 games..........1946
Memphis vs SMU...............................30 games..........1961
Memphis vs Tulsa..............................30 games..........1961
Tulane vs SMU..................................27 games..........1943
Tulsa vs SMU....................................27 games..........1935
Houston vs Cincinnati........................26 games..........1957
Houston vs Tulane.............................25 games.........1968
Navy vs Tulane.................................25 games..........1969
East Carolina vs Cincinnati.................23 games..........1986
East Carolina vs Memphis..................22 games..........1990
Navy vs SMU....................................22 games.........1930
Temple vs Cincinnati..........................22 games.........1973
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Central Florida vs East Carolina...........19 games..........1991
South Florida vs Cincinnati.................18 games..........2003
Tulane vs Cincinnati..........................17 games..........1909
Tulane vs East Carolina.....................16 games...........1991
Temple vs East Carolina....................16 games...........1982
Navy vs Temple...............................15 games...........1988
Houston vs East Carolina...................14 games..........1997
Central Florida vs South Florida..........11 games..........2005
Navy vs East Carolina.........................8 games..........2006
Navy vs Houston................................7 games..........1980

Memphis vs Houston 28 games since 1963.

Also 14 and 11 games vs ucf and USF.


The only series over 30 games that doesn't feature Tulsa (3 series) or Memphis (4 series) is SMU vs Houston. Most of the series started in the 60s as well, especially the ones over 25 games, Houston Cincy is late 50s, but if you put lump them in, seven of the twelve most played series begin in that 12 year period 1957-1969.
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(11-11-2020 02:49 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(11-11-2020 01:29 PM)virgosports Wrote:  
(11-05-2020 05:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  American Athletic Conference Football Series:

MATCH-UP_______________________YEARS______BEGAN
Houston vs Tulsa...............................44 games..........1963
Memphis vs Cincinnati.......................37 games..........1966
Memphis vs Tulane............................36 games..........1954
Houston vs SMU................................36 games..........1935
Cincinnati vs Tulsa.............................34 games..........1946
Memphis vs SMU...............................30 games..........1961
Memphis vs Tulsa..............................30 games..........1961
Tulane vs SMU..................................27 games..........1943
Tulsa vs SMU....................................27 games..........1935
Houston vs Cincinnati........................26 games..........1957
Houston vs Tulane.............................25 games.........1968
Navy vs Tulane.................................25 games..........1969
East Carolina vs Cincinnati.................23 games..........1986
East Carolina vs Memphis..................22 games..........1990
Navy vs SMU....................................22 games.........1930
Temple vs Cincinnati..........................22 games.........1973
________________________________________________
Central Florida vs East Carolina...........19 games..........1991
South Florida vs Cincinnati.................18 games..........2003
Tulane vs Cincinnati..........................17 games..........1909
Tulane vs East Carolina.....................16 games...........1991
Temple vs East Carolina....................16 games...........1982
Navy vs Temple...............................15 games...........1988
Houston vs East Carolina...................14 games..........1997
Central Florida vs South Florida..........11 games..........2005
Navy vs East Carolina.........................8 games..........2006
Navy vs Houston................................7 games..........1980

Memphis vs Houston 28 games since 1963.

Also 14 and 11 games vs ucf and USF.


The only series over 30 games that doesn't feature Tulsa (3 series) or Memphis (4 series) is SMU vs Houston. Most of the series started in the 60s as well, especially the ones over 25 games, Houston Cincy is late 50s, but if you put lump them in, seven of the twelve most played series begin in that 12 year period 1957-1969.

I'm adding two more Temple series to your list:

Houston vs Tulsa...............................44 games..........1963
Memphis vs Cincinnati.......................37 games..........1966
Memphis vs Tulane............................36 games..........1954
Houston vs SMU................................36 games..........1935
Cincinnati vs Tulsa.............................34 games..........1946
Memphis vs SMU...............................30 games..........1961
Memphis vs Tulsa..............................30 games..........1961
Tulane vs SMU..................................27 games..........1943
Tulsa vs SMU....................................27 games..........1935
Houston vs Cincinnati........................26 games..........1957
Houston vs Tulane.............................25 games.........1968
Navy vs Tulane.................................25 games..........1969
East Carolina vs Cincinnati.................23 games..........1986
East Carolina vs Memphis..................22 games..........1990
Navy vs SMU..................................22 games.........1930
Temple vs Cincinnati..........................22 games.........1973
________________________________________________
Central Florida vs East Carolina...........19 games..........1991
South Florida vs Cincinnati.................18 games..........2003
Tulane vs Cincinnati..........................17 games..........1909
Tulane vs East Carolina.....................16 games...........1991
Temple vs East Carolina....................16 games...........1982
Navy vs Temple...............................15 games...........1988
Houston vs East Carolina...................14 games..........1997
Central Florida vs South Florida..........11 games..........2005
Navy vs East Carolina.........................8 games..........2006
Navy vs Houston................................7 games..........1980
Temple vs. Tulane..............................6 games..........1935
Temple vs. SMU.................................7 games..........1942
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Memphis and SMU have played football 13 times, the first being in 1976 I believe
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(11-12-2020 05:24 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  Memphis and SMU have played football 13 times, the first being in 1976 I believe
You are correct, my mistake. I have corrected it on my original post.
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sissanatuh's american basketball rivals in particular order

memphis- we goin' way back
temple- quite a few history and on the big stage
houston- it's only just begun
smu- the only match for sissanatuh in the american's infancy. still a quality w
which?ita- it's been fun since yall've been here
ecu- getting to greeneville
tulsa- troy caupain
usf- our failure to ascend will forever bind us
ucf- it's sometimes scary
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Nothing beats Civil conFLiCT, it's a damn shame UCONN had to leave the conference. Maybe they can have UCF-UCONN out of conference every year??
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Wichita State vs. Years played Ttl W L T
Cincinnati 1954 1986 23 7 14 2
Houston 1949 1959 9 3 6 0
Memphis 1968 1980 10 0 10 0
Southern Methodist 1979 1979 1 0 1 0
Tulsa 1945 1986 42 13 28 1

I missed Tulane. They played once in 1986, WSU's last year, and won the game 21-20
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