(11-03-2020 12:31 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 11:48 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 10:58 AM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 10:50 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 10:08 AM)pesik Wrote:  why would the aac say anything about this???? missing a call is part of every game.. you can go through ANY game and finds dozens of missed calls

missed calls are part of the game and are not the equivalent of intentional wrong calls that went to reviews and still called wrong
ive seen tulsa fans trying to justify wrong calls by finding missed calls in the ecu game, or justifying it by other pointing to missed calls in other games is not the same

as for that specific play in your link , you literally had another down, at the 1 yd line to score again. even if a flag was thrown it would have put you in te endzone.. you would still have had 1 play to get 1 yard ..which is exactly what happened. Complaining about missed calls when you could get 1 yard is odd

So you're saying ECU fans shouldn't complain because they had 6+ more plays to keep us from scoring after the bad review and could not do so? Works for me.

But ECU did stop Tulsa 4 plays later on 4th down when that ball kicked up dirt. Did you watch the video? It's the aggregate of all those plays on that drive that makes it one of the worst officiated sequences in football history.

No they did not. It was ruled a catch. It was a catch. If it were not so, the AAC would have told you.

Did you watch the replay? The fact that the AAC had to unprecedentedly release a statement about the other BS call doesn't mean that the pass being ruled a completion isn't also in error. It just means that the fumble was so egregious that it required the AAC to set a new precedent by admitting that the officiating was bogus in a crucial part of the game, thereby costing ECU an earned victory.

I've seen the replay multiple times. He had his arm around the ball and secured it against his body. It can touch the ground as long as it's secured.

(11-03-2020 12:25 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 12:08 PM)Weatherdemon Wrote:  There was this in 2016 with Tulsa being on the crap end of a critical call near the end of the game that decided who would be in the AAC championship.
https://youtu.be/Nn5o0eUGrSA

Point being, don't set yourself up to have to rely on the refs at the end. Goes for TU too.

I'm sure I'll be pissed again about a bad call but, there was nothing at stake here except ECU being in 7th place in the ACC vs 9th so I'm not sure why ESPN has their panties in a wad over the officials on this one.

It matters to ECU fans & the ECU team big time. We also lost our QB due to BS AAC covid protocols for the Navy game and had to try to prepare a true freshman QB at the last minute & still barley lost. ECU should seriously be 3-1 in conference right now. Coach Houston is trying to turn the corner & these last 2 weeks have thwarted those efforts considerably. & as far as Tulsa was concerned, it wasn't just the 3 BS calls on the last drive either, CJ caught a TD pass got a toe down in the back of the end zone earlier in the half, it was called a TD, but then overturned without conclusive evidence. Even if his heel ultimately touched the line as he fell to the ground (which wasn't clear), his toe touched in bounds. I get why no one else cares but if it happened to your team, everyone on this board would be screaming bloody murder.

It has happened to our team multiple times, and nobody on this board cared except our fans. And we never got a single apology from the AAC. We know how you feel. Time to move on.

It was criminal. All 3 were terrible. But there's nothing else we can do about it.

All I know is that ECU has turned the corner and will soon be taking the refs out of the equation in games.

(11-03-2020 01:16 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  It was criminal. All 3 were terrible. But there's nothing else we can do about it.

All I know is that ECU has turned the corner and will soon be taking the refs out of the equation in games.

(11-03-2020 01:49 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 01:16 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  It was criminal. All 3 were terrible. But there's nothing else we can do about it.

All I know is that ECU has turned the corner and will soon be taking the refs out of the equation in games.

+3

Bad, bad, bad officiating.

(11-03-2020 01:49 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 01:16 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  It was criminal. All 3 were terrible. But there's nothing else we can do about it.

All I know is that ECU has turned the corner and will soon be taking the refs out of the equation in games.

lol

(11-03-2020 12:25 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 12:08 PM)Weatherdemon Wrote:  There was this in 2016 with Tulsa being on the crap end of a critical call near the end of the game that decided who would be in the AAC championship.
https://youtu.be/Nn5o0eUGrSA

Point being, don't set yourself up to have to rely on the refs at the end. Goes for TU too.

I'm sure I'll be pissed again about a bad call but, there was nothing at stake here except ECU being in 7th place in the ACC vs 9th so I'm not sure why ESPN has their panties in a wad over the officials on this one.

It matters to ECU fans & the ECU team big time. We also lost our QB due to BS AAC covid protocols for the Navy game and had to try to prepare a true freshman QB at the last minute & still barley lost. ECU should seriously be 3-1 in conference right now. Coach Houston is trying to turn the corner & these last 2 weeks have thwarted those efforts considerably. & as far as Tulsa was concerned, it wasn't just the 3 BS calls on the last drive either, CJ caught a TD pass got a toe down in the back of the end zone earlier in the half, it was called a TD, but then overturned without conclusive evidence. Even if his heel ultimately touched the line as he fell to the ground (which wasn't clear), his toe touched in bounds. I get why no one else cares but if it happened to your team, everyone on this board would be screaming bloody murder.

This is wrong. It was a called NO-Catch on the field and upheld under replay.

(11-03-2020 06:51 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 12:25 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 12:08 PM)Weatherdemon Wrote:  There was this in 2016 with Tulsa being on the crap end of a critical call near the end of the game that decided who would be in the AAC championship.
https://youtu.be/Nn5o0eUGrSA

Point being, don't set yourself up to have to rely on the refs at the end. Goes for TU too.

I'm sure I'll be pissed again about a bad call but, there was nothing at stake here except ECU being in 7th place in the ACC vs 9th so I'm not sure why ESPN has their panties in a wad over the officials on this one.

It matters to ECU fans & the ECU team big time. We also lost our QB due to BS AAC covid protocols for the Navy game and had to try to prepare a true freshman QB at the last minute & still barley lost. ECU should seriously be 3-1 in conference right now. Coach Houston is trying to turn the corner & these last 2 weeks have thwarted those efforts considerably. & as far as Tulsa was concerned, it wasn't just the 3 BS calls on the last drive either, CJ caught a TD pass got a toe down in the back of the end zone earlier in the half, it was called a TD, but then overturned without conclusive evidence. Even if his heel ultimately touched the line as he fell to the ground (which wasn't clear), his toe touched in bounds. I get why no one else cares but if it happened to your team, everyone on this board would be screaming bloody murder.

This is wrong. It was a called NO-Catch on the field and upheld under replay.

Skip to the 9:40 mark below to see the toe tap before the heal, then the officials conduct a conference. The highlights do not show what happens right after that conference but the official to the bottom right overrules the other official, thereby ruling it a TD on the field (If you want direct evidence you can just skip to that part of the game on the ESPN replay). Subsequently, replay officials overturn it without indisputable evidence to the contrary, just like the fumble that AAC admitted was erroneous.





ECU was hosed 6 ways from Sunday pal. Just enjoy the W. If I was in your shoes I'd be stoked.

(11-03-2020 08:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Doesn't change the score. Ask us about Temple last year. We would have been undefeated going into the Cotton Bowl.

Btw, I never think the fix is in. Those are not exclusively AAC refs. They are pool refs with us, the Big 12 and CUSA.

I think refs are human, though, and probably subconsciously give the slight advantage to the better team, or sometimes the home team. Beyond that, they are just incompetent.

I agree except when you see a pattern. This was a clear pattern in my view. I just think you could possibly have some gambling interests that have gotten to an official or two over the years. One never knows.

(11-03-2020 11:18 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  Kind of off topic, but relationships to coaches and other factors can play into calls. Notice Ohio State or Clemson get the calls? The refs are protecting the cash cow. They fall out of the playoff picture then it hurts the conference. Screw the conference, probably not going to get the choice games, playoff games or even keep your gig.

An interesting set of podcasts examining NBA officiating and Tim Donnaghy.

Worth a listen even if you are like me and really not an NBA fan. https://whistleblowerpod.com/episodes/

I’ve said for a long time that Big Ten officials wear Buckeye underwear.

Let's not sugarcoat this guys. This was clearly the most controversial miscarriage of justice in American sports history since Russia stole the Gold medal from USA Basketball in the 1972 Olympics.





The American team had never lost in men's basketball in Olympic play, winning seven gold medals dating back to 1936. All of this erroneously changed on the morning of September 10, 1972 when the Russians were permitted to in bound the ball 3 separate times.

First inbounds play

On the 1st inbounds play Russia's coach Bashkin's actions of running onto the court had caused the game to be stopped with one second remaining on the clock. Nevertheless, the officials decided neither to resume play from that point, nor to assess a technical foul against him for having interrupted the play. They instead wiped out the play altogether. Further, officials had initially declared that play would resume with just one second remaining, only to be overruled by Renato William Jones, the secretary general of FIBA. Jones later acknowledged that under the Olympic regulations, he had no authority to make rulings about a game in progress.

Second inbounds play

The players were brought back into position for a second inbounds play. However, instead of Zharmukhamedov returning to throw the inbounds pass, Kondrashin managed to substitute Ivan Edeshko into the game in Zharmukhamedov's place. Substitutions were not to have been allowed without the granting of the time-out, but the referees resumed the game, failing to notice this issue and also not noticing that clock operator Andre Chopard was still working on getting the game clock set to three seconds.

Edeshko ultimately made only a short pass to teammate Modestas Paulauskas standing in the Soviet backcourt. Paulauskas then immediately relayed a pass toward Belov at the other end of the court. But the horn sounded, with the pass barely out of Paulauskas's hand. The pass then missed its mark and was uneventfully tipped off the backboard. The players, the announcers of both television broadcasts, and the majority of the spectators in the arena all interpreted the sound of the horn, combined with the sight of a failed Soviet pass, as the end of the game. People flooded the court and the U.S. team began a joyful celebration of its apparent one-point victory. However, with Jones still involved in the process, the officials once again ordered the court to be cleared, the players to be brought back into position, the clock to be reset, and the final three seconds be replayed.

Third inbounds play

On the third inbound try, McMillen was again assigned to use his height to challenge Edeshko's inbound pass. However, as official Artenik Arabadjian prepared to put the ball into play, he gestured to McMillen. McMillen responded by backing several feet away from Edeshko, which gave Edeshko a clear view and unobstructed path to throw a long pass down the court. McMillen later said that Arabadjian had instructed him to back away from Edeshko. McMillen said that despite the fact that there was no rule which would require him to do so, he decided to comply, fearing that if he did not, Arabadjian might assess a technical foul against him.

McMillen's repositioning left no American defender to challenge Edeshko's pass. Edeshko would later confirm that McMillen's backing away made it easy for him to throw the long pass downcourt. In the Soviet Union, Edeshko's throw would eventually come to be known as "the golden pass". However, the images of the play broadcast on American television by the ABC network have led to the question of whether Edeshko might have stepped on the end line—meaning that he should have been called for a violation—as he made his pass.

As Edeshko's full-court pass came down, Belov, Kevin Joyce and Jim Forbes all leapt for the ball near the basket. Belov caught the ball in the air, and as the three men landed, Joyce's momentum carried him out of bounds, while Forbes came down off-balance and fell to the floor beneath the basket. Belov then gathered himself and made an uncontested layup, scoring the winning points as the horn sounded for the last time. After jubilantly sprinting to the other end of the court, Belov was mobbed by his delirious teammates who dogpiled atop him in celebration. American coaches and players argued with the game officials for several minutes, but to no avail, as the Soviets were declared the victors.

United States protest & aftermath

Let's just say that much controversy and protest ensued in the aftermath of this tragic event and the US has to this day never accepted the silver medals which remain in a vault in Lausanne, Switzerland. A five man panel to rule on the appeal was selected by Renato William Jones (yes the same guy that wrongfully screwed us above), the secretary general of FIBA. Representatives from Russian ally countries (Hungary, Poland, & Cuba respectively) all voted to uphold the Russian victory in a 3-2 decision. Here's a link if you want to learn more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Olymp...es_protest

(11-04-2020 11:00 AM)B easy Wrote:  Let's not sugarcoat this guys. This was clearly the most controversial miscarriage of justice in American sports history since Russia stole the Gold medal from USA Basketball in the 1972 Olympics.





The American team had never lost in men's basketball in Olympic play, winning seven gold medals dating back to 1936. All of this erroneously changed on the morning of September 10, 1972 when the Russians were permitted to in bound the ball 3 separate times.

First inbounds play

On the 1st inbounds play Russia's coach Bashkin's actions of running onto the court had caused the game to be stopped with one second remaining on the clock. Nevertheless, the officials decided neither to resume play from that point, nor to assess a technical foul against him for having interrupted the play. They instead wiped out the play altogether. Further, officials had initially declared that play would resume with just one second remaining, only to be overruled by Renato William Jones, the secretary general of FIBA. Jones later acknowledged that under the Olympic regulations, he had no authority to make rulings about a game in progress.

Second inbounds play

The players were brought back into position for a second inbounds play. However, instead of Zharmukhamedov returning to throw the inbounds pass, Kondrashin managed to substitute Ivan Edeshko into the game in Zharmukhamedov's place. Substitutions were not to have been allowed without the granting of the time-out, but the referees resumed the game, failing to notice this issue and also not noticing that clock operator Andre Chopard was still working on getting the game clock set to three seconds.

Edeshko ultimately made only a short pass to teammate Modestas Paulauskas standing in the Soviet backcourt. Paulauskas then immediately relayed a pass toward Belov at the other end of the court. But the horn sounded, with the pass barely out of Paulauskas's hand. The pass then missed its mark and was uneventfully tipped off the backboard. The players, the announcers of both television broadcasts, and the majority of the spectators in the arena all interpreted the sound of the horn, combined with the sight of a failed Soviet pass, as the end of the game. People flooded the court and the U.S. team began a joyful celebration of its apparent one-point victory. However, with Jones still involved in the process, the officials once again ordered the court to be cleared, the players to be brought back into position, the clock to be reset, and the final three seconds be replayed.

Third inbounds play

On the third inbound try, McMillen was again assigned to use his height to challenge Edeshko's inbound pass. However, as official Artenik Arabadjian prepared to put the ball into play, he gestured to McMillen. McMillen responded by backing several feet away from Edeshko, which gave Edeshko a clear view and unobstructed path to throw a long pass down the court. McMillen later said that Arabadjian had instructed him to back away from Edeshko. McMillen said that despite the fact that there was no rule which would require him to do so, he decided to comply, fearing that if he did not, Arabadjian might assess a technical foul against him.

McMillen's repositioning left no American defender to challenge Edeshko's pass. Edeshko would later confirm that McMillen's backing away made it easy for him to throw the long pass downcourt. In the Soviet Union, Edeshko's throw would eventually come to be known as "the golden pass". However, the images of the play broadcast on American television by the ABC network have led to the question of whether Edeshko might have stepped on the end line—meaning that he should have been called for a violation—as he made his pass.

As Edeshko's full-court pass came down, Belov, Kevin Joyce and Jim Forbes all leapt for the ball near the basket. Belov caught the ball in the air, and as the three men landed, Joyce's momentum carried him out of bounds, while Forbes came down off-balance and fell to the floor beneath the basket. Belov then gathered himself and made an uncontested layup, scoring the winning points as the horn sounded for the last time. After jubilantly sprinting to the other end of the court, Belov was mobbed by his delirious teammates who dogpiled atop him in celebration. American coaches and players argued with the game officials for several minutes, but to no avail, as the Soviets were declared the victors.

United States protest & aftermath

Let's just say that much controversy and protest ensued in the aftermath of this tragic event and the US has to this day never accepted the silver medals which remain in a vault in Lausanne, Switzerland. A five man panel to rule on the appeal was selected by Renato William Jones (yes the same guy that wrongfully screwed us above), the secretary general of FIBA. Representatives from Russian ally countries (Hungary, Poland, & Cuba respectively) all voted to uphold the Russian victory in a 3-2 decision. Here's a link if you want to learn more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Olymp...es_protest

Don't lose track of what's important here. ECU getting robbed is far bigger than the USA losing to the Rooskies.

Sometimes unexplained things happen on earth that we cant prepare for. Mother nature occasionally has to sacrifice weaker, less important organisms to save her more precious beings. We truly do thank you for your lamb. I assure you it will not go unnoticed.

(11-05-2020 09:28 AM)Jesterondirt Wrote:  Sometimes unexplained things happen on earth that we cant prepare for. Mother nature occasionally has to sacrifice weaker, less important organisms to save her more precious beings. We truly do thank you for your lamb. I assure you it will not go unnoticed.

So you can understand why we get so angry when nature bails out said weaker, less important organism.