To clarify, the allegation is that a large number of these PO boxes were rented and used to vote, right?
The article is a little confusing in that it seems to imply that FedEx, UPS, etc. have some role in "disguising" boxes by assigning them a physical address. This is pretty common, however, and I actually have one of these boxes for business purposes. Mine is a free option through the US Postal Service.
Which Doug Collins is she referring to? The one who was 3rd in the Georgia special Senate race (behind Warnock and Loeffler who are in a runoff election now)?
Warnock had 32.9 percent (1.615 million votes)
Loeffler had 25.9 (1.271 million)
Collins had 19.9 (979k votes)
The only way Collins would win is if he was over 50 percent. That's an absurd claim if she's trying to claim Collins won that race outright. Even Trump wouldn't go that far.
Yeah...that guy...and yes, she's a wacko.
I saw a couple knowledgeable folks immediately say that this would likely be the end of her as a representative of the GOP/trump campaign as this would endanger Loeffler's attempt to win in January. And it appears they were spot on as she was dumped Sunday.
The problem with Powell is she isn’t a wacko. I have no idea if she can prove these claims, but to date she’s never made claims she couldn’t back up. Her work with Flynn has been very solid—and that was tough work picking up the pieces where his prior lawyers were so bad their performance lies somewhere between incompetence and fraudulent malpractice.
As I’ve said before, I remain highly skeptical of the Dominion angle, but she will either prove her claims in court or she won’t. I’m fine letting it play out. My primary focus if I were running the Trump team would be challenging the veracity of the mail in ballots in key states with the remedy being a acceptable rechecking of the signature validation process (I’d start with the ballots only marked for Biden, but with no down ballot races checked). I find that to be a reasonable position that most any person legitimately interested in election integrity would have to support. If a large number of those Biden only ballots are dirty—start checking the other mail in ballots—if the Biden only ballots are clean—I think most folks with concerns would be comfortable that the election was clean enough to move on.
She's a kook...just listen to her.
And there is NO Dominion angle. Georgia hand counted their votes. There was no changing of votes in the middle of the night from changes to any vote counting software.
Stop the madness!
Then it will play out that way in court. Why the hysteria? If she has a Kraken, it will play out differently. Either way, her claims will either be proven or dis-proven in court. Like I said, I remain skeptical on the Dominion claims. On the other hand, I suspect any meaningful audit of the signature verification of the mail in ballots will yield a healthy percentage of non-matches. Thats where I would concentrate my efforts if I were running the Team Trump legal effort.
(This post was last modified: 11-23-2020 01:11 PM by Attackcoog.)
(11-23-2020 11:15 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: I'll bite (but I know I shouldn't).
Which Doug Collins is she referring to? The one who was 3rd in the Georgia special Senate race (behind Warnock and Loeffler who are in a runoff election now)?
Warnock had 32.9 percent (1.615 million votes)
Loeffler had 25.9 (1.271 million)
Collins had 19.9 (979k votes)
The only way Collins would win is if he was over 50 percent. That's an absurd claim if she's trying to claim Collins won that race outright. Even Trump wouldn't go that far.
Yeah...that guy...and yes, she's a wacko.
I saw a couple knowledgeable folks immediately say that this would likely be the end of her as a representative of the GOP/trump campaign as this would endanger Loeffler's attempt to win in January. And it appears they were spot on as she was dumped Sunday.
The problem with Powell is she isn’t a wacko. I have no idea if she can prove these claims, but to date she’s never made claims she couldn’t back up. Her work with Flynn has been very solid—and that was tough work picking up the pieces where his prior lawyers were so bad their performance lies somewhere between incompetence and fraudulent malpractice.
As I’ve said before, I remain highly skeptical of the Dominion angle, but she will either prove her claims in court or she won’t. I’m fine letting it play out. My primary focus if I were running the Trump team would be challenging the veracity of the mail in ballots in key states with the remedy being a acceptable rechecking of the signature validation process (I’d start with the ballots only marked for Biden, but with no down ballot races checked). I find that to be a reasonable position that most any person legitimately interested in election integrity would have to support. If a large number of those Biden only ballots are dirty—start checking the other mail in ballots—if the Biden only ballots are clean—I think most folks with concerns would be comfortable that the election was clean enough to move on.
She's a kook...just listen to her.
And there is NO Dominion angle. Georgia hand counted their votes. There was no changing of votes in the middle of the night from changes to any vote counting software.
Stop the madness!
Then it will play out that way in court. Why the hysteria? If she has a Kraken, it will play out differently. Like I said, I remain skeptical on the Dominion claims. On the other hand, I suspect any meaningful audit of the signature verification of the mail in ballots will yield a healthy percentage of non-matches. Thats where I would concentrate my efforts if I were running the Team Trump legal effort.
There is no hysteria. And we've been waiting for it to play out in court for nearly three weeks now. It has not, because they do not have any evidence.
(11-23-2020 11:17 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Yeah...that guy...and yes, she's a wacko.
I saw a couple knowledgeable folks immediately say that this would likely be the end of her as a representative of the GOP/trump campaign as this would endanger Loeffler's attempt to win in January. And it appears they were spot on as she was dumped Sunday.
The problem with Powell is she isn’t a wacko. I have no idea if she can prove these claims, but to date she’s never made claims she couldn’t back up. Her work with Flynn has been very solid—and that was tough work picking up the pieces where his prior lawyers were so bad their performance lies somewhere between incompetence and fraudulent malpractice.
As I’ve said before, I remain highly skeptical of the Dominion angle, but she will either prove her claims in court or she won’t. I’m fine letting it play out. My primary focus if I were running the Trump team would be challenging the veracity of the mail in ballots in key states with the remedy being a acceptable rechecking of the signature validation process (I’d start with the ballots only marked for Biden, but with no down ballot races checked). I find that to be a reasonable position that most any person legitimately interested in election integrity would have to support. If a large number of those Biden only ballots are dirty—start checking the other mail in ballots—if the Biden only ballots are clean—I think most folks with concerns would be comfortable that the election was clean enough to move on.
She's a kook...just listen to her.
And there is NO Dominion angle. Georgia hand counted their votes. There was no changing of votes in the middle of the night from changes to any vote counting software.
Stop the madness!
Then it will play out that way in court. Why the hysteria? If she has a Kraken, it will play out differently. Like I said, I remain skeptical on the Dominion claims. On the other hand, I suspect any meaningful audit of the signature verification of the mail in ballots will yield a healthy percentage of non-matches. Thats where I would concentrate my efforts if I were running the Team Trump legal effort.
There is no hysteria. And we've been waiting for it to play out in court for nearly three weeks now. It has not, because they do not have any evidence.
My understanding is no fraud suits have even been filed yet. Which is not surprising as proving fraud takes time. How many criminal fraud cases go from complaint, to arrest, to prosecution in 3 weeks? It usually takes months--perhaps even years---and thats for a law enforcement body using full police and subpoena power. Right now, the Trump legal team has neither of those powers. They are just private citizens that cannot detain or compel testimony.
The time line is such that the arguments most likely to be favored are questions of law and procedure as they can be proven faster.
(This post was last modified: 11-23-2020 01:34 PM by Attackcoog.)
Look, it's too late to fix anything about 2020. Republicans spent 4 years asleep at the wheel, knowing this was coming. If they didn't know it before, then Stacy the Hutt made it abundantly clear what her MO was going to be as early as 2018. Once again, they let democrats outflank them politically.
"...What Pascrell is doing is undermining our legal system by using his office to advance a campaign targeting lawyers and legislators who raise objections to his party prevailing in the presidential election. As with the Lincoln Project’s campaign, this is raw retaliation and intimidation to deter the use of our legal process. When such actions were taken against lawyers representing civil rights groups and others in the 1960s, it was correctly denounced as an outrageous abuse of our legal system. Now that Republican lawyers are being targeted, it has become a campaign supported members of Congress, thousands of lawyers, and the media.
What Pascrell is doing is a dangerous form of demagoguery that should be denounced by people of good-faith regardless of their political affiliations."
Turley is calling out the Democrats---https://jonathanturley.org/2020/11/23/democratic-member-files-bar-actions-against-two-dozen-lawyers-challenging-election-results/
(11-23-2020 11:39 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: If a large number of those Biden only ballots are dirty—start checking the other mail in ballots—if the Biden only ballots are clean—I think most folks with concerns would be comfortable that the election was clean enough to move on.
I think there are a lot of people for whom we're past the point of finding evidence that will make them feel like they can move on. There's always going to be one more allegation that needs to be disproven. Not really sure how we get past that.
(11-23-2020 11:39 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: If a large number of those Biden only ballots are dirty—start checking the other mail in ballots—if the Biden only ballots are clean—I think most folks with concerns would be comfortable that the election was clean enough to move on.
I think there are a lot of people for whom we're past the point of finding evidence that will make them feel like they can move on. There's always going to be one more allegation that needs to be disproven. Not really sure how we get past that.
WE can't, because THEY (GOP) don't want to. It's their plan. Sow distrust, delegitimize Biden's historic win. Period.
And before you go there...nobody gives two ***** whether these lawsuits were all filed directly by trump or by his GOP minions or by sycophants working on his behalf.
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claiming on many occasions that trump had won Arizona. Interesting.
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