(11-27-2020 05:09 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 04:19 PM)olddawg Wrote:  IIRC, the claim was made by a former Board member or something. Unless I missed something, the claim has neither been supported by documented quotes/ statements, nor has it been debunked. It's just out there in the wind. Seems like it would be good follow up material for a dogged reporter.

It's not accurate. Dukeman is doing Dukeman things and grabbing for statistics he read in an opinion piece. Tickle is among a few conservatives named in a Breeze article who are expressing their dissatisfaction that JMU is not fully open, and have taken to social media to cancel Alger because he seems to lean left. Since the opinion article has come out, JMU has secured two 8-figure gifts. Financial support for JMU is not drying up like Dukeman thinks it is. JMU's support base is broader than folks like Tickle. I'm very appreciative for their support. But to conclude that major donors are fleeing is unfounded.

I just read the article you cited. The quoted source is not Tickle:

“Dave Sanderson, a previous member of the Board of Directors for the JMU Alumni Association, said that he’s recently talked with three out of the five largest donors to the university. Those donors, he said, have had conversations about pulling their donations and potentially not giving in the future.”

(11-27-2020 05:53 PM)FBS Dave Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 05:09 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 04:19 PM)olddawg Wrote:  IIRC, the claim was made by a former Board member or something. Unless I missed something, the claim has neither been supported by documented quotes/ statements, nor has it been debunked. It's just out there in the wind. Seems like it would be good follow up material for a dogged reporter.

It's not accurate. Dukeman is doing Dukeman things and grabbing for statistics he read in an opinion piece. Tickle is among a few conservatives named in a Breeze article who are expressing their dissatisfaction that JMU is not fully open, and have taken to social media to cancel Alger because he seems to lean left. Since the opinion article has come out, JMU has secured two 8-figure gifts. Financial support for JMU is not drying up like Dukeman thinks it is. JMU's support base is broader than folks like Tickle. I'm very appreciative for their support. But to conclude that major donors are fleeing is unfounded.

I just read the article you cited. The quoted source is not Tickle:

“Dave Sanderson, a previous member of the Board of Directors for the JMU Alumni Association, said that he’s recently talked with three out of the five largest donors to the university. Those donors, he said, have had conversations about pulling their donations and potentially not giving in the future.”

Indeed. I thought I named Sanderson - I must have revised and left him out. I'm good friends with Dave. His statements are second hand exaggerated information. I really want to debate this but I need to see myself out.

(11-27-2020 09:41 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 05:53 PM)FBS Dave Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 05:09 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 04:19 PM)olddawg Wrote:  IIRC, the claim was made by a former Board member or something. Unless I missed something, the claim has neither been supported by documented quotes/ statements, nor has it been debunked. It's just out there in the wind. Seems like it would be good follow up material for a dogged reporter.

It's not accurate. Dukeman is doing Dukeman things and grabbing for statistics he read in an opinion piece. Tickle is among a few conservatives named in a Breeze article who are expressing their dissatisfaction that JMU is not fully open, and have taken to social media to cancel Alger because he seems to lean left. Since the opinion article has come out, JMU has secured two 8-figure gifts. Financial support for JMU is not drying up like Dukeman thinks it is. JMU's support base is broader than folks like Tickle. I'm very appreciative for their support. But to conclude that major donors are fleeing is unfounded.

I just read the article you cited. The quoted source is not Tickle:

“Dave Sanderson, a previous member of the Board of Directors for the JMU Alumni Association, said that he’s recently talked with three out of the five largest donors to the university. Those donors, he said, have had conversations about pulling their donations and potentially not giving in the future.”

Indeed. I thought I named Sanderson - I must have revised and left him out. I'm good friends with Dave. His statements are second hand exaggerated information. I really want to debate this but I need to see myself out.

No, I don’t think you named Sanderson. You took some shots at Dukeman and named Tickle, but missed on the actual source.

(11-27-2020 01:19 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 01:05 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 09:39 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Some of our posters want JMU to handle athletics like a professional sports team would.

Really?

"Some of our posters," including me, simply want to see our alma mater play our peers and get away from 50-point, blowout wins against the likes of STFU.

How you get from that clear goal all the way to us wanting "JMU to handle athletics like a professional sports team" is beyond me.

You can both be right you know

Deez is correct. I would like to see us stop playing STFU, Morehead and Robert Morris. I have shared this with the JMU Administration on more than one occasion. I am considering dropping my season tickets and buying a few single game tickets each season instead because I find most of the games are boring. I do like the tailgates and seeing old friends though.

I want FBS too. I am tired of boring football during the regular season. We get maybe two competitive regular season games and maybe two in the playoffs during a season. It is time for us to move up. I have stated this about a dozen times. You post regularly so I am not sure why you don’t remember my position on FBS football. I just don’t see going independent as a smart option at this time.

(11-27-2020 05:09 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 04:19 PM)olddawg Wrote:  IIRC, the claim was made by a former Board member or something. Unless I missed something, the claim has neither been supported by documented quotes/ statements, nor has it been debunked. It's just out there in the wind. Seems like it would be good follow up material for a dogged reporter.

It's not accurate. Dukeman is doing Dukeman things and grabbing for statistics he read in an opinion piece. Tickle is among a few conservatives named in a Breeze article who are expressing their dissatisfaction that JMU is not fully open, and have taken to social media to cancel Alger because he seems to lean left. Since the opinion article has come out, JMU has secured two 8-figure gifts. Financial support for JMU is not drying up like Dukeman thinks it is. JMU's support base is broader than folks like Tickle. I'm very appreciative for their support. But to conclude that major donors are fleeing is unfounded.

You're telling me those gifts just came about since that article came out?...not a chance. They had been in the works for a while, but were only recently announced. Such is the nature of large gifts like that. The fact that we got those donations is great. In no way, however, does it prove or disprove what was said by Sanderson.

My guess is his statement has a strong element of bar talk to it, with the validity to be easily figured out in the coming few years. But for a more timely resolution, it wouldn't exactly take Woodward and Bernstein to get those donors on the record ( or get Sanderson to back off his statement). The DNR doesn't "owe" anyone for that article. It wasn't theirs. It's an interesting statement that would make a great piece if parties were pressed on it.

(11-27-2020 11:44 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 01:19 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 01:05 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 09:39 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Some of our posters want JMU to handle athletics like a professional sports team would.

Really?

"Some of our posters," including me, simply want to see our alma mater play our peers and get away from 50-point, blowout wins against the likes of STFU.

How you get from that clear goal all the way to us wanting "JMU to handle athletics like a professional sports team" is beyond me.

You can both be right you know

Deez is correct. I would like to see us stop playing STFU, Morehead and Robert Morris. I have shared this with the JMU Administration on more than one occasion. I am considering dropping my season tickets and buying a few single game tickets each season instead because I find most of the games are boring. I do like the tailgates and seeing old friends though.

I want FBS too. I am tired of boring football during the regular season. We get maybe two competitive regular season games and maybe two in the playoffs during a season. It is time for us to move up. I have stated this about a dozen times. You post regularly so I am not sure why you don’t remember my position on FBS football. I just don’t see going independent as a smart option at this time.

It's a "smart option" because it's the only option. For whatever reason, our admin has turned down each and every invite we have had, however many that is. At least two or three, according to some who claim to be informed sources.

The ACC and SEC are not going to come calling. I doubt the AAC does either, in this lifetime. We have snubbed everyone else. We now have five options, as I see it....

1. Wait until hell freezes over for an FBS conference we consider worthy to roll out the red carpet and beg us to join.

2. Continue to monitor the situation until our grandchildren are in old folks' homes.

3. Stay in the CAA and watch our program become Richmond (we can always build a smaller stadium when attendance sucks.... and, at the current stagnant pace, it will).

4. Join ODAC and really kick some ass!

5. Follow the proven lead of Liberty and go FBS indy, which will give us a fantastic regular season schedule, exciting football again, playing among our true peers, and a step forward instead of stagnation or a step backward.

I find it hard to believe that this is even an argument.

(11-27-2020 12:49 PM)FBS Dave Wrote:  As a side note Nova hoops plays VT this weekend. We are 2-0 and ranked 3.

Condolences

(11-28-2020 01:25 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:44 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 01:19 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 01:05 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 09:39 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Some of our posters want JMU to handle athletics like a professional sports team would.

Really?

"Some of our posters," including me, simply want to see our alma mater play our peers and get away from 50-point, blowout wins against the likes of STFU.

How you get from that clear goal all the way to us wanting "JMU to handle athletics like a professional sports team" is beyond me.

You can both be right you know

Deez is correct. I would like to see us stop playing STFU, Morehead and Robert Morris. I have shared this with the JMU Administration on more than one occasion. I am considering dropping my season tickets and buying a few single game tickets each season instead because I find most of the games are boring. I do like the tailgates and seeing old friends though.

I want FBS too. I am tired of boring football during the regular season. We get maybe two competitive regular season games and maybe two in the playoffs during a season. It is time for us to move up. I have stated this about a dozen times. You post regularly so I am not sure why you don’t remember my position on FBS football. I just don’t see going independent as a smart option at this time.

It's a "smart option" because it's the only option. For whatever reason, our admin has turned down each and every invite we have had, however many that is. At least two or three, according to some who claim to be informed sources.

The ACC and SEC are not going to come calling. I doubt the AAC does either, in this lifetime. We have snubbed everyone else. We now have five options, as I see it....

1. Wait until hell freezes over for an FBS conference we consider worthy to roll out the red carpet and beg us to join.

2. Continue to monitor the situation until our grandchildren are in old folks' homes.

3. Stay in the CAA and watch our program become Richmond (we can always build a smaller stadium when attendance sucks.... and, at the current stagnant pace, it will).

4. Join ODAC and really kick some ass!

5. Follow the proven lead of Liberty and go FBS indy, which will give us a fantastic regular season schedule, exciting football again, playing among our true peers, and a step forward instead of stagnation or a step backward.

I find it hard to believe that this is even an argument.

The upside of Indy FBS is if the AAC does come call JMU will be a attractive addition since y’all would be FBS already. I don’t think they want to do the whole FCS call up thing since they are pushing the P6 narrative now.

(11-28-2020 11:14 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:25 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:44 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 01:19 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 01:05 PM)Purple Wrote:  Really?

"Some of our posters," including me, simply want to see our alma mater play our peers and get away from 50-point, blowout wins against the likes of STFU.

How you get from that clear goal all the way to us wanting "JMU to handle athletics like a professional sports team" is beyond me.

You can both be right you know

Deez is correct. I would like to see us stop playing STFU, Morehead and Robert Morris. I have shared this with the JMU Administration on more than one occasion. I am considering dropping my season tickets and buying a few single game tickets each season instead because I find most of the games are boring. I do like the tailgates and seeing old friends though.

I want FBS too. I am tired of boring football during the regular season. We get maybe two competitive regular season games and maybe two in the playoffs during a season. It is time for us to move up. I have stated this about a dozen times. You post regularly so I am not sure why you don’t remember my position on FBS football. I just don’t see going independent as a smart option at this time.

It's a "smart option" because it's the only option. For whatever reason, our admin has turned down each and every invite we have had, however many that is. At least two or three, according to some who claim to be informed sources.

The ACC and SEC are not going to come calling. I doubt the AAC does either, in this lifetime. We have snubbed everyone else. We now have five options, as I see it....

1. Wait until hell freezes over for an FBS conference we consider worthy to roll out the red carpet and beg us to join.

2. Continue to monitor the situation until our grandchildren are in old folks' homes.

3. Stay in the CAA and watch our program become Richmond (we can always build a smaller stadium when attendance sucks.... and, at the current stagnant pace, it will).

4. Join ODAC and really kick some ass!

5. Follow the proven lead of Liberty and go FBS indy, which will give us a fantastic regular season schedule, exciting football again, playing among our true peers, and a step forward instead of stagnation or a step backward.

I find it hard to believe that this is even an argument.

The upside of Indy FBS is if the AAC does come call JMU will be a attractive addition since y’all would be FBS already. I don’t think they want to do the whole FCS call up thing since they are pushing the P6 narrative now.

This point has been shared about a dozen or more times. The JMU administration is not going independent in hopes of getting an AAC invite at some point in the future.

Let’s move on from the independent discussion. All points have been shared on the subject.

Lol, this thread is STRICTLY conference talk!

Absolutely. We never deviate from a thread topic.

(11-28-2020 11:14 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:25 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:44 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 01:19 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 01:05 PM)Purple Wrote:  Really?

"Some of our posters," including me, simply want to see our alma mater play our peers and get away from 50-point, blowout wins against the likes of STFU.

How you get from that clear goal all the way to us wanting "JMU to handle athletics like a professional sports team" is beyond me.

You can both be right you know

Deez is correct. I would like to see us stop playing STFU, Morehead and Robert Morris. I have shared this with the JMU Administration on more than one occasion. I am considering dropping my season tickets and buying a few single game tickets each season instead because I find most of the games are boring. I do like the tailgates and seeing old friends though.

I want FBS too. I am tired of boring football during the regular season. We get maybe two competitive regular season games and maybe two in the playoffs during a season. It is time for us to move up. I have stated this about a dozen times. You post regularly so I am not sure why you don’t remember my position on FBS football. I just don’t see going independent as a smart option at this time.

It's a "smart option" because it's the only option. For whatever reason, our admin has turned down each and every invite we have had, however many that is. At least two or three, according to some who claim to be informed sources.

The ACC and SEC are not going to come calling. I doubt the AAC does either, in this lifetime. We have snubbed everyone else. We now have five options, as I see it....

1. Wait until hell freezes over for an FBS conference we consider worthy to roll out the red carpet and beg us to join.

2. Continue to monitor the situation until our grandchildren are in old folks' homes.

3. Stay in the CAA and watch our program become Richmond (we can always build a smaller stadium when attendance sucks.... and, at the current stagnant pace, it will).

4. Join ODAC and really kick some ass!

5. Follow the proven lead of Liberty and go FBS indy, which will give us a fantastic regular season schedule, exciting football again, playing among our true peers, and a step forward instead of stagnation or a step backward.

I find it hard to believe that this is even an argument.

The upside of Indy FBS is if the AAC does come call JMU will be a attractive addition since y’all would be FBS already. I don’t think they want to do the whole FCS call up thing since they are pushing the P6 narrative now.

Yet another good point in favor of indy.

(11-28-2020 11:08 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Condolences

Thanks! It’s a crazy time. Play the games on a days notice when they are available! You never know when you’ll be shut down, so take all comers.

(11-29-2020 07:44 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 11:14 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:25 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 11:44 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 01:19 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  You can both be right you know

Deez is correct. I would like to see us stop playing STFU, Morehead and Robert Morris. I have shared this with the JMU Administration on more than one occasion. I am considering dropping my season tickets and buying a few single game tickets each season instead because I find most of the games are boring. I do like the tailgates and seeing old friends though.

I want FBS too. I am tired of boring football during the regular season. We get maybe two competitive regular season games and maybe two in the playoffs during a season. It is time for us to move up. I have stated this about a dozen times. You post regularly so I am not sure why you don’t remember my position on FBS football. I just don’t see going independent as a smart option at this time.

It's a "smart option" because it's the only option. For whatever reason, our admin has turned down each and every invite we have had, however many that is. At least two or three, according to some who claim to be informed sources.

The ACC and SEC are not going to come calling. I doubt the AAC does either, in this lifetime. We have snubbed everyone else. We now have five options, as I see it....

1. Wait until hell freezes over for an FBS conference we consider worthy to roll out the red carpet and beg us to join.

2. Continue to monitor the situation until our grandchildren are in old folks' homes.

3. Stay in the CAA and watch our program become Richmond (we can always build a smaller stadium when attendance sucks.... and, at the current stagnant pace, it will).

4. Join ODAC and really kick some ass!

5. Follow the proven lead of Liberty and go FBS indy, which will give us a fantastic regular season schedule, exciting football again, playing among our true peers, and a step forward instead of stagnation or a step backward.

I find it hard to believe that this is even an argument.

The upside of Indy FBS is if the AAC does come call JMU will be a attractive addition since y’all would be FBS already. I don’t think they want to do the whole FCS call up thing since they are pushing the P6 narrative now.

This point has been shared about a dozen or more times. The JMU administration is not going independent in hopes of getting an AAC invite at some point in the future.

Let’s move on from the independent discussion. All points have been shared on the subject.

Are there limits on the number of times we can beat a dead horse on a specific view of a topic here? If so, love to hear how that's determined...or, let's continue the debate another decade

Quote:Liberty may not receive bowl bid even though Flames could finish 10-1, sources told
@Stadium
. Reason is LU doesn't have guaranteed bowl tie-in & w/out any win requirements for teams to be bowl eligible, bowls expected to fill w/their designated conference affiliations source said

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/statu...6344271874

just say no to Indy !

It will be interesting to see what happens- I think they will wind up making a bowl and it is an odd year which could be an outlier if they don’t but it would put some shade on the Indy path if you have your best season in school history and somehow don’t have an opportunity to compete in a bowl.

The bowl games are not very high on the priority list, imho. Especially in the era of CFP, there is really not much magic left in the bowl system. They are exhibitions that are generally poorly attended. The eyes are on the CFP and that will only add more teams in the future.

If Liberty wins out and remains ranked it is a far greater achievement than going to a bowl featuring .500 teams that finished 4th in their G5 conference, and obviously far greater than an FCS playoff.

(11-30-2020 10:59 AM)FBS Dave Wrote:  The bowl games are not very high on the priority list, imho. Especially in the era of CFP, there is really not much magic left in the bowl system. They are exhibitions that are generally poorly attended. The eyes are on the CFP and that will only add more teams in the future.

If Liberty wins out and remains ranked it is a far greater achievement than going to a bowl featuring .500 teams that finished 4th in their G5 conference, and obviously far greater than an FCS playoff.

Flawed logic Dave- if Liberty isn’t going to get the G5 vs P5 NYD slot because they will be blocked (just like App was) by whoever the best AAC team is each year and the playoffs aren’t expanding from 4 to 8 all they have left is a regular bowl game. If as an independent they have no bowl Tie ins it’s a big void in the Independent football path. It’s one thing to be Indy and Army, Notre Dame and BYU where you have bowl
Paths because of who you are - it’s another to be UConn Umass NM State or Liberty where you have no path.

not sure how much planning we should do from a super-speculative tweet..after all, they did get an invite last year to a bowl

On a positive note, if Liberty receives a bowl bid they don’t split the money with their conference partners. Army, Notre Dame and BYU have political clout. Liberty does not. It will be interesting to see how Liberty is treated by the bowls.

The loss to mediocre NC State gives the committee all the excuse they need to keep Liberty out of any high paying bowl. The key for Liberty is how well they travel to a bowl game. The bowls only care about money. If the school and or its fans offer to buy a very large block of tickets, that will influence the invitations they receive if the bowl is allowed to invite an independent. I am unsure of the language in these conference tie in contracts.