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RE: UTSA vs. Rice
(11-03-2020 12:42 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
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(11-03-2020 10:05 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Yep... I have to imagine the cost of now a dozen busses, twice the number of planes and twice as many hotel rooms, not to mention 'safe' meal practices while away is VASTLY greater than the cost of hosting a home game.

But then you'd have the potential fallout from canceling the season - people are probably a lot less likely to pull donations, reducing support, etc. over the long term if we at least play this year.

Not wedded to the idea, but was just thinking that Rice could basically be trying to cut the least painful losses.

People have already pulled donations.

Because we didn't play the full slate of games?

That's a part of it.

Interesting - I wasn't aware that alumni had started to pull donations for this year because Rice chose to drop some games.
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RE: UTSA vs. Rice
(11-03-2020 12:48 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  
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(11-03-2020 09:54 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Roadrunner chiming in here. If the 'economic sense' argument were a valid reason for not allowing fans, wouldn't it have made more economic sense for Rice to just not have a football season then? I mean, how much economic sense does it make to start playing halfway through the season - half of those games being away games - and not even allowing fans in the stadium for home games?

Yep... I have to imagine the cost of now a dozen busses, twice the number of planes and twice as many hotel rooms, not to mention 'safe' meal practices while away is VASTLY greater than the cost of hosting a home game.

But then you'd have the potential fallout from canceling the season - people are probably a lot less likely to pull donations, reducing support, etc. over the long term if we at least play this year.

Not wedded to the idea, but was just thinking that Rice could basically be trying to cut the least painful losses.

That has little (imo) to do with the economic sense of not allowing fans.

I could pithily add, unless its an admission that the games our fans are least interested in are home games against conference foes.

We didn't play UH across town
We didn't play at home vs Army
We didn't get paid a whole lot of money to play LSU down the street
We didn't play Lamar at home
We didn't play (*but might make up) UAB at home.

Thats 5 of 6 games that ALL would have been at or very near home. Very low cost to a profit and relatively easy to contain and protect our students. What did we protect our students from that we didn't turn right around and expose them to against MTSU? 3 of those 5 would have likely been decent TV games, even if you didn't allow fans.

So now we get MTSU, UTSA and UTEP at home, but travel to USM, LaTech and UNT??

IDK if there was 'business interruption insurance' anywhere along the line... but I'm betting that most donors would have rather we canceled the latter 6 than the first 5... two of which were technically not 'home' games.

The only way this makes sense is if they did it to pad the record... avoiding the better teams and playing only teams we most likely had a shot at beating, which is why UAB MAY be made up. I mean, every other year we 'end on a hot streak' that we credit to some improvement in our team as opposed to a softening of our schedule. It MAY be about ensuring our cut of conference revenues (the paltry sum they are).

I get your point and there may be something in there to it... but given the exposure we're still putting our people to, the loss of revenue and local interest, I think there could have been vastly better ways to keep our donors happy. If you're going to not allow fans for cost and safety, why cancel 5 of your 8 'home' (meaning lower cost and safer) games?

A lot of this is valid, but I would point out that the LSU game would have been pulled whether we were open to playing or not. The SEC cancelled OOC.

If there was ever a year, since Rice last beat LSU in 1980, for Rice to play LSU, this was the year.
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RE: UTSA vs. Rice
(11-03-2020 01:02 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
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(11-03-2020 12:12 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(11-03-2020 10:09 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  But then you'd have the potential fallout from canceling the season - people are probably a lot less likely to pull donations, reducing support, etc. over the long term if we at least play this year.

Not wedded to the idea, but was just thinking that Rice could basically be trying to cut the least painful losses.

People have already pulled donations.

Because we didn't play the full slate of games?

That's a part of it.

Interesting - I wasn't aware that alumni had started to pull donations for this year because Rice chose to drop some games.

Reading comprehension, please. I said that was a part of it, not the sole reason.
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RE: UTSA vs. Rice
(11-03-2020 01:09 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(11-03-2020 01:02 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(11-03-2020 12:42 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
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(11-03-2020 12:12 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  People have already pulled donations.

Because we didn't play the full slate of games?

That's a part of it.

Interesting - I wasn't aware that alumni had started to pull donations for this year because Rice chose to drop some games.

Reading comprehension, please. I said that was a part of it, not the sole reason.

My statement remains the same... I wasn't aware that this was part of anyone's calculus since we have started playing games and chose to participate in the season.

That seems odd to me. Did any team in the country play their full slate of games?
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RE: UTSA vs. Rice
(11-03-2020 01:35 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
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(11-03-2020 01:02 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(11-03-2020 12:42 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(11-03-2020 12:36 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Because we didn't play the full slate of games?

That's a part of it.

Interesting - I wasn't aware that alumni had started to pull donations for this year because Rice chose to drop some games.

Reading comprehension, please. I said that was a part of it, not the sole reason.

My statement remains the same... I wasn't aware that this was part of anyone's calculus since we have started playing games and chose to participate in the season.

That seems odd to me. Did any team in the country play their full slate of games?

UTSA has. We have played 8 games so far, with no bye. And unless there are any cancellations/postponements between now and the end of the season, we'll likely finish the season having played 12 games without a bye week. Our coach said in a presser that when we did our schedule, we assumed there would be at least one or two cancellations due to COVID, but there have been none, and there are none in sight down the stretch. I think I heard somewhere that only 4 other teams have played a full slate and have had no bye yet.
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Rice should charter a couple of buses to Ruston or Denton. Make it reasonable for regular fans. That would be great outreach.
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(11-03-2020 10:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Rice should charter a couple of buses to Ruston or Denton. Make it reasonable for regular fans. That would be great outreach.

Rice won’t let thousands of fans into open air HRC. Putting fans in buses for a 5-hour trip seems very unlikely.
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(11-04-2020 05:56 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(11-03-2020 10:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Rice should charter a couple of buses to Ruston or Denton. Make it reasonable for regular fans. That would be great outreach.

Rice won’t let thousands of fans into open air HRC. Putting fans in buses for a 5-hour trip seems very unlikely.

Maybe one bus per fan?
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(11-04-2020 08:52 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-04-2020 05:56 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(11-03-2020 10:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Rice should charter a couple of buses to Ruston or Denton. Make it reasonable for regular fans. That would be great outreach.

Rice won’t let thousands of fans into open air HRC. Putting fans in buses for a 5-hour trip seems very unlikely.

Maybe one bus per fan?

If the fan also drives the bus .... and wears a mask.
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After checking out the standings, I found that UTSA and Texas State are the only schools in the nation to play 8 games so far, and UTSA is the only school to have played 8 consecutive games without a bye, as Texas State started their season a week early and had a bye between their contests against Boston College and Troy.

I'm predicting a 20-15 win for Rice this weekend. Unconventional score for us, but I think it might be an unconventional game. We have a stout defense and our offense has struggled, especially in the last 5 games. You guys are still improving, having played only two so far, and I think you're gonna do enough to go 2-1.
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(11-04-2020 08:58 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(11-04-2020 08:52 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-04-2020 05:56 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(11-03-2020 10:46 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Rice should charter a couple of buses to Ruston or Denton. Make it reasonable for regular fans. That would be great outreach.

Rice won’t let thousands of fans into open air HRC. Putting fans in buses for a 5-hour trip seems very unlikely.

Maybe one bus per fan?

If the fan also drives the bus .... and wears a mask.

and gets tested at every stop.
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(11-04-2020 09:10 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  After checking out the standings, I found that UTSA and Texas State are the only schools in the nation to play 8 games so far, and UTSA is the only school to have played 8 consecutive games without a bye, as Texas State started their season a week early and had a bye between their contests against Boston College and Troy.

I'm predicting a 20-15 win for Rice this weekend. Unconventional score for us, but I think it might be an unconventional game. We have a stout defense and our offense has struggled, especially in the last 5 games. You guys are still improving, having played only two so far, and I think you're gonna do enough to go 2-1.

five FGs?
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(11-03-2020 12:48 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  A lot of this is valid, but I would point out that the LSU game would have been pulled whether we were open to playing or not. The SEC cancelled OOC.
Fair... and iirc, UH had some early covid issues (I may be mis-remembering)... but its the idea of canceling the entire thing and not looking for a replacement game. Even the UAB game, we only seem interested in playing it 'if it matters' to the standings.... and even then, we may not. Why wouldn't you ASSUME that its going to matter and schedule it?

The second aspect of that just magnifies the issues for us of CUSA.

(11-03-2020 01:02 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Interesting - I wasn't aware that alumni had started to pull donations for this year because Rice chose to drop some games.

I think this is a binary view of the actual calculus being done.

There are many people unhappy with both the administration and AD, on various levels and for a variety of reasons. One can over-simplify their reasons, but most often that creates not only a misleading perception, but it can also create a completely false one... i.e. under our President, we have had a SIGNIFICANT increase in our enrollment from China. Someone who sees Rice as an regional alternative to Stanford or Harvard might have genuine concerns, not about 'China' (though admittedly there is at least one fairly well known one for whom this would be accurate) but about the 'following of the pack' aspect of the pattern.... making Rice less unique... which is a genuine concern, even if one doesn't share it. If you boil it down to just being about 'China', then its easy to dismiss the concerns as 'ethnic'... when that isn't remotely their concern. It's a good way to 'win' an argument, but a horrible way to engage in rational discussion and debate. There is a facebook page where you can read a lot about it. Some of the complaints are petty... I complained about the painting of the statues around Reckling a blue color OTHER than Rice blue... which is something I'd still feel if we were winning the CWS this year, but probably wouldn't care enough to put it on facebook, especially in a forum that is pretty unhappy with major things if we were winning.

For some people, the reactions we're having to a number of issues are just the final nail in their personal coffin. There's a reason for the axiom about 'the last straw' breaking a camel's back. It's not because that one strand of straw is heavy.


(11-04-2020 09:15 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-04-2020 09:10 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  After checking out the standings, I found that UTSA and Texas State are the only schools in the nation to play 8 games so far, and UTSA is the only school to have played 8 consecutive games without a bye, as Texas State started their season a week early and had a bye between their contests against Boston College and Troy.

I'm predicting a 20-15 win for Rice this weekend. Unconventional score for us, but I think it might be an unconventional game. We have a stout defense and our offense has struggled, especially in the last 5 games. You guys are still improving, having played only two so far, and I think you're gonna do enough to go 2-1.

five FGs?

What have you got against FGs?
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(11-04-2020 11:25 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  What have you got against FGs?

Just wondering how he got to a 20-15 score.

The only other scenario I can think of is that with Rice leading 20-9, UTSA scores a TD, goes for two, and misses it.

That scenario only needs 3 UTSA FGs, not 5.
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Wasn't the Lamar game also canceled by them, not us?
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(11-04-2020 11:54 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-04-2020 11:25 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  What have you got against FGs?

Just wondering how he got to a 20-15 score.

The only other scenario I can think of is that with Rice leading 20-9, UTSA scores a TD, goes for two, and misses it.

That scenario only needs 3 UTSA FGs, not 5.

Could be a safety involved there. Could be TD's with one 2-pt conversion. I don't know; I'm just going with 15. lol

Our kicker can definitely hit 5 field goals though. He had the longest streak of field goals in the nation, dating back to last season (18 or 19 believe) until he had a kick blocked against LA Tech. That wasn't his fault though, as it was the holder's fault. They're not all chip shots either. This year he's 1-1 from 50 or beyond, and 3-4 from 40-49 (the only miss being that block).
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Games against Marshall (12/5) and UAB (12/12) have just been rescheduled.
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(11-04-2020 11:54 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-04-2020 11:25 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  What have you got against FGs?

Just wondering how he got to a 20-15 score.

The only other scenario I can think of is that with Rice leading 20-9, UTSA scores a TD, goes for two, and misses it.

That scenario only needs 3 UTSA FGs, not 5.

Some combination of safeties, FGs and a TD, with or without an extra point conversion? Volkmar said UTSA gas a stout defense.
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(11-04-2020 12:54 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(11-04-2020 11:54 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(11-04-2020 11:25 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  What have you got against FGs?

Just wondering how he got to a 20-15 score.

The only other scenario I can think of is that with Rice leading 20-9, UTSA scores a TD, goes for two, and misses it.

That scenario only needs 3 UTSA FGs, not 5.

Some combination of safeties, FGs and a TD, with or without an extra point conversion? Volkmar said UTSA gas a stout defense.

3 safeties, three FGs.

Rice has 5 safeties, a TD + XP, and only 1 FG.

OK, I'[m good.with it.

The important thing to me was the Rice 5 point margin.
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(11-02-2020 09:46 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Uh oh. ESPN, which is 0-2 picking the Owl games this year, is giving the Owls a 66.5% chance of winning on Saturday. They have the Owls as 5.5 point favorites.

Let’s hope they finally get it right this week.

ESPN’s win probability for the Owls remains at 66.5%, but their spread is down to 4.5 points.
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