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(11-01-2020 10:40 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Not having spring football with new coaching staff didn't help.

Losing your two best offensive skilled players also hurt big time. It’s hard to overstate the impact of losing big play makers to a program like Memphis - unlike schools such as Alabama, the next player in line is likely not nearly as good. Although I think UC would have still won if we had Gainwell and Coxie, our offense could have probably kept it reasonably close and given us a chance to pull it out. Instead, our usual suspect defense was on the field much too long.
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Who all wanted to talk about dumping Penny after the Tulsa game ??? Just curious.
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(11-02-2020 08:42 AM)micman Wrote:  I'm OK with Silverfield, but can we fire MacIntyre?

This is open for discussion for sho. But we need to load up on defense ... for sho !! 07-coffee3
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(11-02-2020 11:05 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  What's wrong with discussing things that the team could do to improve itself? Players and coaches. Is this a discussion forum? Every team is going through Covid. Not just the Memphis Tigers. When you lose a game by 39 points while not gaining a yard rushing the football, there's plenty to talk about.

No problems with discussing areas of possible improvement but talking about firing the coach is a bit extreme at this point...
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Stupid
COVID
no spring practice to transition
Lost our 2 best offensive players
sporadic practices
1 month off with no games
1 blow out loss
3-2 overall
Fire the coach?
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(11-02-2020 11:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(11-02-2020 11:05 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  What's wrong with discussing things that the team could do to improve itself? Players and coaches. Is this a discussion forum? Every team is going through Covid. Not just the Memphis Tigers. When you lose a game by 39 points while not gaining a yard rushing the football, there's plenty to talk about.

No problems with discussing areas of possible improvement but talking about firing the coach is a bit extreme at this point...

That's kind of where I'm going with this. I haven't seen anyone talking about firing anyone. First person brings up possible concerns, the second person goes to drama about first person wanting to fire someone. That's a strawman's defense.

You can't have a sensible discussion about how to improve the team if you can't include the coaches. There's plenty we can discuss for improvement without being dramatic about any one element (the new coach).

I'm concerned about all the slow starts to games. What's the possible causes for that?
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This season is five games old

With a uniquely weird set of circumstances

Defense has struggled

Whole team laid an egg last week but this seems really premature. Beat USF and one win at Navy makes things much better

It is that simple
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(11-01-2020 11:16 PM)former guest Wrote:  They are five - FIVE - games into their initial season. Isn't it a little early to be jumping off the cliff?

As HHT pointed out there was no Spring practice to install any type of system on both sides of the ball. They are hobbling along with the players that want to stay and trying to work with what they have in schemes they can use from last year.

Seems like I've heard somewhere that these are "unprecedented times". I think that applies here too. And the University has shown during our history that they will fire a coach when necessary, albeit maybe not as soon as some fans would want. FWIW, I trust the leadership at the school now to make better decisions in a timely manner than the "good ole boy" crew that used to sacrifice football for basketball in our not too distant past. They've made the commitment to football with the help of boosters and I don't think they want to go back any time soon.

In other words - fugetaboutit....

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Did not Cincinnati have the same disadvantages we did re: spring football? And I don't give any credence to a complaint about not being able to install a new offense. CRS came from within the existing program.
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(11-02-2020 12:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Did not Cincinnati have the same disadvantages we did re: spring football? And I don't give any credence to a complaint about not being able to install a new offense. CRS came from within the existing program.

Exactly what I was thinking. The only people who had to "learn" anything was the incoming freshmen and the incoming coaches. The rest of the players already "know" the system and they way things are done.

True freshmen don't usually see the field very much in their first year unless they are just plain exceptional players.
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(11-02-2020 11:54 AM)Mimi Wrote:  This season is five games old

With a uniquely weird set of circumstances

Defense has struggled

Whole team laid an egg last week but this seems really premature. Beat USF and one win at Navy makes things much better

It is that simple

If our defense is out of position and confused against offenses that are more similar to ours, they will be killed by Navy. Eye discipline, knowing your assignment, etc (all the things we've struggled with this year) are all coaching-related issues that better be ironed out against Navy, or they will thrash us.
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(11-02-2020 01:23 PM)mapdude Wrote:  
(11-02-2020 12:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Did not Cincinnati have the same disadvantages we did re: spring football? And I don't give any credence to a complaint about not being able to install a new offense. CRS came from within the existing program.

Exactly what I was thinking. The only people who had to "learn" anything was the incoming freshmen and the incoming coaches. The rest of the players already "know" the system and they way things are done.

True freshmen don't usually see the field very much in their first year unless they are just plain exceptional players.

Here's what I said when we hired Silverfield (almost verbatim)

Both Fuente and Norvell were P5 OC's by the time they were 33 years old. That is VERY impressive. Silverfield is 40 and has never been an OC/DC prior to his promotion to HC.

That said, I think Silverfield has his act together and it's pretty obvious the team is held together well. Not much drama, not too many stupid penalties, no really obvious coaching/preparation errors.

The issue is what is Silverfield's ceiling? I think this season is a good indication of what his floor is for obvious reasons (being his first season). I worry about the fact that we lose a ton on offense after this year and offense is all we really have.

We will find out more this off-season in terms of recruiting, etc.. Silverfield will get - barring a major breakdown - a full 4 years. I don't think his floor is so bad that he would get fired anytime before 4 years.
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In a normal year where the team had spring practice, didn't have games canceled or rescheduled, didn't have practices canceled, didn't have campus shut down, and didn't have some of his best players leave the team right before games started then maybe I would be harder on Silverfield. However, first year head coaches always have an uphill battle to prove themselves, and he took over in one of the worst times to be a college coach.

This season has been unprecedented and difficult for teams with established coaches, much less a first year head coach. I'm disappointed in the outcome of the Cincinnati game but the team and the coaching staff get a pass right now.
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(11-02-2020 12:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(11-01-2020 11:16 PM)former guest Wrote:  They are five - FIVE - games into their initial season. Isn't it a little early to be jumping off the cliff?

As HHT pointed out there was no Spring practice to install any type of system on both sides of the ball. They are hobbling along with the players that want to stay and trying to work with what they have in schemes they can use from last year.

Seems like I've heard somewhere that these are "unprecedented times". I think that applies here too. And the University has shown during our history that they will fire a coach when necessary, albeit maybe not as soon as some fans would want. FWIW, I trust the leadership at the school now to make better decisions in a timely manner than the "good ole boy" crew that used to sacrifice football for basketball in our not too distant past. They've made the commitment to football with the help of boosters and I don't think they want to go back any time soon.

In other words - fugetaboutit....

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Did not Cincinnati have the same disadvantages we did re: spring football? And I don't give any credence to a complaint about not being able to install a new offense. CRS came from within the existing program.

Completely different set of circumstances with a new head coach. Spring football is important to every team but is critically important to a team with a new head coach, especially a first year head coach.
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(11-02-2020 01:44 PM)ddramone Wrote:  
(11-02-2020 01:23 PM)mapdude Wrote:  
(11-02-2020 12:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Did not Cincinnati have the same disadvantages we did re: spring football? And I don't give any credence to a complaint about not being able to install a new offense. CRS came from within the existing program.

Exactly what I was thinking. The only people who had to "learn" anything was the incoming freshmen and the incoming coaches. The rest of the players already "know" the system and they way things are done.

True freshmen don't usually see the field very much in their first year unless they are just plain exceptional players.

Here's what I said when we hired Silverfield (almost verbatim)

Both Fuente and Norvell were P5 OC's by the time they were 33 years old. That is VERY impressive. Silverfield is 40 and has never been an OC/DC prior to his promotion to HC.

That said, I think Silverfield has his act together and it's pretty obvious the team is held together well. Not much drama, not too many stupid penalties, no really obvious coaching/preparation errors.

The issue is what is Silverfield's ceiling? I think this season is a good indication of what his floor is for obvious reasons (being his first season). I worry about the fact that we lose a ton on offense after this year and offense is all we really have.

We will find out more this off-season in terms of recruiting, etc.. Silverfield will get - barring a major breakdown - a full 4 years. I don't think his floor is so bad that he would get fired anytime before 4 years.

Norvell said that he did offer RS the OC position, and RS confirmed. But RS thought his impact would be greater as OL and Deputy HC - since MN was in reality the OC.

FWIW
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(11-02-2020 01:44 PM)ddramone Wrote:  
(11-02-2020 01:23 PM)mapdude Wrote:  
(11-02-2020 12:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Did not Cincinnati have the same disadvantages we did re: spring football? And I don't give any credence to a complaint about not being able to install a new offense. CRS came from within the existing program.

Exactly what I was thinking. The only people who had to "learn" anything was the incoming freshmen and the incoming coaches. The rest of the players already "know" the system and they way things are done.

True freshmen don't usually see the field very much in their first year unless they are just plain exceptional players.

Here's what I said when we hired Silverfield (almost verbatim)

Both Fuente and Norvell were P5 OC's by the time they were 33 years old. That is VERY impressive. Silverfield is 40 and has never been an OC/DC prior to his promotion to HC.

That said, I think Silverfield has his act together and it's pretty obvious the team is held together well. Not much drama, not too many stupid penalties, no really obvious coaching/preparation errors.

The issue is what is Silverfield's ceiling? I think this season is a good indication of what his floor is for obvious reasons (being his first season). I worry about the fact that we lose a ton on offense after this year and offense is all we really have.

We will find out more this off-season in terms of recruiting, etc.. Silverfield will get - barring a major breakdown - a full 4 years. I don't think his floor is so bad that he would get fired anytime before 4 years.

I guess some of his age probably has to do with the fact he spent 5-6 years coaching in the NFL.
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(11-01-2020 10:28 PM)mapdude Wrote:  I am having second thoughts about this coaching staff. Granted, Covid and all this crap makes for a unique situation with players opting out, sitting out for testing positive, whatever.

Is this the beginning of the downhill slide of the program?

Is your glass half empty or half full?

I'm going to put it out there that we will go no worse than 8-3 or 7-4 this year and we might even run the table given that we might not be in a great bowl. That will be better than half of the seasons that Fuente and Norvell had after we became good. We haven't had Gainwell, Coxie and Carter. We have a new head coach and defensive coordinator and had almost no practice time. Our defense is horrible as it has been a lot of the time when Norvell and Fuente were here.

Our fans have lost it.
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(11-02-2020 01:44 PM)ddramone Wrote:  
(11-02-2020 01:23 PM)mapdude Wrote:  
(11-02-2020 12:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Did not Cincinnati have the same disadvantages we did re: spring football? And I don't give any credence to a complaint about not being able to install a new offense. CRS came from within the existing program.

Exactly what I was thinking. The only people who had to "learn" anything was the incoming freshmen and the incoming coaches. The rest of the players already "know" the system and they way things are done.

True freshmen don't usually see the field very much in their first year unless they are just plain exceptional players.

Here's what I said when we hired Silverfield (almost verbatim)

Both Fuente and Norvell were P5 OC's by the time they were 33 years old. That is VERY impressive. Silverfield is 40 and has never been an OC/DC prior to his promotion to HC.

That said, I think Silverfield has his act together and it's pretty obvious the team is held together well. Not much drama, not too many stupid penalties, no really obvious coaching/preparation errors.

The issue is what is Silverfield's ceiling? I think this season is a good indication of what his floor is for obvious reasons (being his first season). I worry about the fact that we lose a ton on offense after this year and offense is all we really have.

We will find out more this off-season in terms of recruiting, etc.. Silverfield will get - barring a major breakdown - a full 4 years. I don't think his floor is so bad that he would get fired anytime before 4 years.

We barely lose anyone on offense after this year. If White's replacement is good, we will be very good. We actually lose a lot on defense.
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(11-02-2020 12:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(11-01-2020 11:16 PM)former guest Wrote:  They are five - FIVE - games into their initial season. Isn't it a little early to be jumping off the cliff?

As HHT pointed out there was no Spring practice to install any type of system on both sides of the ball. They are hobbling along with the players that want to stay and trying to work with what they have in schemes they can use from last year.

Seems like I've heard somewhere that these are "unprecedented times". I think that applies here too. And the University has shown during our history that they will fire a coach when necessary, albeit maybe not as soon as some fans would want. FWIW, I trust the leadership at the school now to make better decisions in a timely manner than the "good ole boy" crew that used to sacrifice football for basketball in our not too distant past. They've made the commitment to football with the help of boosters and I don't think they want to go back any time soon.

In other words - fugetaboutit....

03-shhhh

Did not Cincinnati have the same disadvantages we did re: spring football? And I don't give any credence to a complaint about not being able to install a new offense. CRS came from within the existing program.

Did Cincy have a new head coach and a new DC? Nope, then lack of spring ball isn't the same disadvantage for them as it was for us.
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Sorry OP on that nonsense. I'm ALL IN!!!!
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Listen to Ike,
Sit back, relax, and give the Dude a chance
TIGERNATION will be fine, Ryan was instrumental in past recruiting and has a great class arriving.
He'll be fine, let the season play out and enjoy a bowl
Ike finds a chilled red wine quite relaxing and He can't get involved with the leprechauns, way too rowdy for a relaxing period.
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