(11-03-2020 02:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Looks like the Nooch gets another shot.

Dalton placed on COVID list. He’s out Sunday

Well they said Dalton was back in QB meetings on Thursday and Friday, let's hope that they were masked up and distanced and that Nooch doesn't also get it.

Yahoo just reported some harsh criticism of Jerry Jones on DiNucci. Not so sure he's the QB going forward after that.

(11-03-2020 03:03 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Yahoo just reported some harsh criticism of Jerry Jones on DiNucci. Not so sure he's the QB going forward after that.

Saw that. Not a good sign for Nooch.

“Well, I think it was a lot for him,” Jones said. “I think we certainly, as a team, paid the price to have him come in under those circumstances, and that’s almost trite. It was, frankly, more than he could handle. I don’t know what you could have expected for somebody to come in under those circumstances.”

Seems like he said what a lot have anylists have said. He just didn't have the preparation to come into a game as a starter. If he does start against the Steelers I hope they change the play calling a bit and can muster up a better rushing game (this is all wishful thinking)

(11-03-2020 03:09 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  “Well, I think it was a lot for him,” Jones said. “I think we certainly, as a team, paid the price to have him come in under those circumstances, and that’s almost trite. It was, frankly, more than he could handle. I don’t know what you could have expected for somebody to come in under those circumstances.”

Seems like he said what a lot have anylists have said. He just didn't have the preparation to come into a game as a starter. If he does start against the Steelers I hope they change the play calling a bit and can muster up a better rushing game (this is all wishful thinking)

To be quite honest, based on "my" expectations I thought he played at about a 7. Other than a couple plays, that happen with young QBs, I thought he played as well as could be expected.

I did not see Jerry's words as that harsh. Nowhere in the Cowboys plans did they intend for Ben to start this year. He was a project that had some skills they liked. I still guess he's the likely starter on Sunday.

Bleacher Report has a report out saying the Cowboys may start Cooper Rush Sunday. He was the backup in Dallas for 2 years prior to this one.

(11-03-2020 03:18 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 03:09 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  “Well, I think it was a lot for him,” Jones said. “I think we certainly, as a team, paid the price to have him come in under those circumstances, and that’s almost trite. It was, frankly, more than he could handle. I don’t know what you could have expected for somebody to come in under those circumstances.”

Seems like he said what a lot have anylists have said. He just didn't have the preparation to come into a game as a starter. If he does start against the Steelers I hope they change the play calling a bit and can muster up a better rushing game (this is all wishful thinking)

To be quite honest, based on "my" expectations I thought he played at about a 7. Other than a couple plays, that happen with young QBs, I thought he played as well as could be expected.

I did not see Jerry's words as that harsh. Nowhere in the Cowboys plans did they intend for Ben to start this year. He was a project that had some skills they liked. I still guess he's the likely starter on Sunday.

7 seems generous to me. I know Purple probably has Nooch at a 9.5 given, you know, that he's better than Dalton and Dak, but I'm more around the 5 area and I'm probably being nice. 5 was maybe what I expected as well. I think Gilbert is the name of the dude they signed after Dalton went down. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they're getting Gilbert ready for Pittsburgh. If Jones thought the start against Philly was too big a moment for Ben, than he certainly has to be dreading the thought of throwing Nooch in against Pittsburgh. I hope Nooch gets the chance though. He needs another opportunity to show what he can do. Hopefully, he'll be a little more relaxed a 2nd time around.

(11-03-2020 03:22 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Bleacher Report has a report out saying the Cowboys may start Cooper Rush Sunday. He was the backup in Dallas for 2 years prior to this one.

Probably sacrifice somebody else to the 7-0 Pittsburgh defense first, then Ben can come in and finish the game and win it

(11-03-2020 03:35 PM)jmu82 Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 03:18 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 03:09 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  “Well, I think it was a lot for him,” Jones said. “I think we certainly, as a team, paid the price to have him come in under those circumstances, and that’s almost trite. It was, frankly, more than he could handle. I don’t know what you could have expected for somebody to come in under those circumstances.”

Seems like he said what a lot have anylists have said. He just didn't have the preparation to come into a game as a starter. If he does start against the Steelers I hope they change the play calling a bit and can muster up a better rushing game (this is all wishful thinking)

To be quite honest, based on "my" expectations I thought he played at about a 7. Other than a couple plays, that happen with young QBs, I thought he played as well as could be expected.

I did not see Jerry's words as that harsh. Nowhere in the Cowboys plans did they intend for Ben to start this year. He was a project that had some skills they liked. I still guess he's the likely starter on Sunday.

7 seems generous to me. I know Purple probably has Nooch at a 9.5 given, you know, that he's better than Dalton and Dak, but I'm more around the 5 area and I'm probably being nice. 5 was maybe what I expected as well. I think Gilbert is the name of the dude they signed after Dalton went down. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they're getting Gilbert ready for Pittsburgh. If Jones thought the start against Philly was too big a moment for Ben, than he certainly has to be dreading the thought of throwing Nooch in against Pittsburgh. I hope Nooch gets the chance though. He needs another opportunity to show what he can do. Hopefully, he'll be a little more relaxed a 2nd time around.

My 7 was "based on my expectations". My expectations were not high, but he outperformed them. My expectation included a pick 7. While the Eagles had a handful of opportunities, that did not get one.

Cowboys are delusional if they think Cooper Rush will do any better. And Gilbert had an entire college career that produced almost as many Ints as TDs. That ratio doesn't improve at the pro level.

(11-03-2020 03:22 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Bleacher Report has a report out saying the Cowboys may start Cooper Rush Sunday. He was the backup in Dallas for 2 years prior to this one.

I saw it from Ian Rapoport, of NFL Network. They'd have to activate Rush from the practice squad.

(11-03-2020 04:08 PM)DukeQuin Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 03:22 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Bleacher Report has a report out saying the Cowboys may start Cooper Rush Sunday. He was the backup in Dallas for 2 years prior to this one.

I saw it from Ian Rapoport, of NFL Network. They'd have to activate Rush from the practice squad.

If they do that, I can see Dinucci going to the practice squad

(11-03-2020 10:53 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 10:19 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 09:39 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 09:33 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 06:31 AM)Purple Wrote:  If that were the case, they would have been drafted.

Interesting concept. So everyone drafted will do better in the NFL than someone non drafted.

I don't always agree with your thought process, but we all have our own logic.

The NFL landscape constantly changes which plays a huge part in who gets drafted and when. If we had Vad Lee as our QB last year theres a very good chance he would have been drafted high in the draft, same could almost be said for rodney landers too.

Yeah. If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.

You are presuming that pro scouts and coaches are stupid, that they can't evaluate a quarterback's skills on tape or in person, that they have to rely on who the QB played for, his teammates, and the system he played in. They don't ignore those factors, but they are called "professionals" for a reason. When they evaluate a quarterback, more than any other position, they are evaluating raw, individual talent and potential. All of JMU's past quarterbacks had the opportunity to shine for the scouts and coaches. They didn't cut it.

Now it sounds like some people here are saying, "Oh, yeah, DiNucci only got drafted because he is lucky. He actually sucks and snuck onto the Cowboys roster. Any JMU quarterback from the past would have wound up on an NFL roster if only given the same chance DiNucci was handed." What total crap!

You completely missed my point. Pro scouts looks for what suites their needs in the current NFL landscape. 8 - 10 years ago teams were looking more for the prototypical passer whereas now teams are going more towards the dual threat QB ie lamar, kyler, baker, mahomes, fields and lance are both projected as top 3 QBs. Dinucci fits the mold of a mobile QB. Hence why i said if Lee played in todays football landscape he would have fit much better into NFL teams' gameplans

I get what you are saying, and I agree that both Vad and Landers were good, mobile QBs. Neither was as good a passer as DiNucci, in my opinion, especially Landers, but they would certainly have had a closer look in today's NFL. Heck, I think Rodney could have been drafted as a running back.

Only benefit to Cooper Rush is that was there for two years so he knows Kellen Moore system, but as someone said I don't see him being too much better. I would give Nooch one more opportunity as you are losing this game no matter what. Very tough weather conditions which obviously affected both QB's so I say give him a shot in a pristine environment in JerryWorld and see what he can do. The other thing I will say is that team seemed to rally around Nooch and actually played their best game on D all year by far.

(11-03-2020 03:35 PM)jmu82 Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 03:18 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 03:09 PM)formerjmusprinter84 Wrote:  “Well, I think it was a lot for him,” Jones said. “I think we certainly, as a team, paid the price to have him come in under those circumstances, and that’s almost trite. It was, frankly, more than he could handle. I don’t know what you could have expected for somebody to come in under those circumstances.”

Seems like he said what a lot have anylists have said. He just didn't have the preparation to come into a game as a starter. If he does start against the Steelers I hope they change the play calling a bit and can muster up a better rushing game (this is all wishful thinking)

To be quite honest, based on "my" expectations I thought he played at about a 7. Other than a couple plays, that happen with young QBs, I thought he played as well as could be expected.

I did not see Jerry's words as that harsh. Nowhere in the Cowboys plans did they intend for Ben to start this year. He was a project that had some skills they liked. I still guess he's the likely starter on Sunday.

7 seems generous to me. I know Purple probably has Nooch at a 9.5 given, you know, that he's better than Dalton and Dak, but I'm more around the 5 area and I'm probably being nice.

I thought Nooch was about a 6. He was better than All-Pro Wentz who actually had an offensive line, but Wentz was probably a 5 or less.

Pro Football Talk (NBC Sports) says Nooch is out for Sunday. Gilbert and Rush will compete for the start....

"The Cowboys will be on their fourth starting quarterback of the season on Sunday. But they don’t know who that is just yet.

Dallas will let Garrett Gilbert and Cooper Rush show what they can do with the first-string offense this week and then decide which one of them will start against the Steelers, Tom Pelissero of NFL Network reports. Gilbert has never started an NFL game but was the starting quarterback of the Orlando Apollos of the Alliance of American Football. Rush is even less experienced than Gilbert but has spent more time in Cowboys offensive coordinator Kellen Moore’s offense.

It definitely won’t be rookie Ben DiNucci, who has been benched after struggling in Sunday night’s loss to the Eagles. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said today on 105.3 The Fan that DiNucci did not perform well."

Link.... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-to-start/

What the Punks are likely getting ready to learn is that...

1. Without a defense, your QB won't make any difference.
2. Without an offensive line, your QB isn't going to do any better than the previous backup.
3. With gimmicky play calling, your backup QB that won't make any difference and isn't going to do any better than the previous backup doesn't stand a chance.
4. You still are overrated and suck.

(11-03-2020 05:41 PM)Purple Wrote:  Pro Football Talk (NBC Sports) says Nooch is out for Sunday. Gilbert and Rush will compete for the start....

"The Cowboys will be on their fourth starting quarterback of the season on Sunday. But they don’t know who that is just yet.

Dallas will let Garrett Gilbert and Cooper Rush show what they can do with the first-string offense this week and then decide which one of them will start against the Steelers, Tom Pelissero of NFL Network reports. Gilbert has never started an NFL game but was the starting quarterback of the Orlando Apollos of the Alliance of American Football. Rush is even less experienced than Gilbert but has spent more time in Cowboys offensive coordinator Kellen Moore’s offense.

It definitely won’t be rookie Ben DiNucci, who has been benched after struggling in Sunday night’s loss to the Eagles. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said today on 105.3 The Fan that DiNucci did not perform well."

Link.... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-to-start/

Jerry Jones loves to throw temper tantrums. Would love to hear Jones' "valuable" critique on Andy Dalton. He's paying him a crapload more money than Ben, yet Dalton performed no better in his last two games (with the same decimated O-line).

There was always a chance with their line that he'd come in and not impress the big guy. I presume the thinking is that at least Rush knows Moore's offense and has been seeing the NFL field longer, and against the Pittsburgh defense that might help. Rush has played in the preseason for both the Cowboys and the Giants.

(11-03-2020 05:41 PM)Purple Wrote:  Pro Football Talk (NBC Sports) says Nooch is out for Sunday. Gilbert and Rush will compete for the start....

"The Cowboys will be on their fourth starting quarterback of the season on Sunday. But they don’t know who that is just yet.

Dallas will let Garrett Gilbert and Cooper Rush show what they can do with the first-string offense this week and then decide which one of them will start against the Steelers, Tom Pelissero of NFL Network reports. Gilbert has never started an NFL game but was the starting quarterback of the Orlando Apollos of the Alliance of American Football. Rush is even less experienced than Gilbert but has spent more time in Cowboys offensive coordinator Kellen Moore’s offense.

It definitely won’t be rookie Ben DiNucci, who has been benched after struggling in Sunday night’s loss to the Eagles. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said today on 105.3 The Fan that DiNucci did not perform well."

Link.... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-to-start/

Not looking good for Ben. Giving one of those 2 a shot is expected, but taking both and splitting the practice time between the 2 and relegating Ben back to #3 is demoralizing. They failed him, gave him an opportunity but didn’t do him any favors with the idiotic playcalling and obviously keeping the reigns on him from running.