(11-03-2020 07:02 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 08:34 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 03:58 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I don't know if it's because I went to public school in a conservative area, but public school indoctrination isn't that bad. At least when I went. No question tho they're trying to make it worse w/ that "America was founded the year the first slaves came here" BS & we have to stop that.

Universities are another story.

EDIT: I remember we watched An Inconvenient Truth in biology. The electoral college - is it unfair or not? - was taught. When they say "unfortunately politicans are against this" (whatever specifically it is) is usually code for "vote Democrat". In History, GOP presidents were glossed over & FDR & JFK treated as the best. Etc. Those few examples are the most I could tell when I was in school

It's nearly non-existent in public education in the South IMO. At least it was 10 years ago. I imagine most people in this thread can't point to many personal instances of it outside of maybe pointing at articles about the Ivy League universities and some California universities. The VAST majority of teachers just teach their subjects and offer no political leaning, at least that is my own anecdotal experience from when I was in school.

Until there are actual detailed examples to what it is in public schools that is being taught akin to Marxism then it is simply just the right virtue signaling. You usually hear this from older people about both current public high school and college education. You know, the people who grew up with actual fake history books that are *incredibly* slanted such as the State of Alabama ones from the 1950s and 1960s. If you get really bored, go read through a few of those.

I also find it a bit ironic that people here want "patriotic education" pushed on kids, whatever that even means according to this committee. Sounds like that could real quickly go the way of some good ole' North Korea **** to me. The Patriotic Education order currently doesn't point out or cite anything specifically unpatriotic being taught. Just a bunch of vagueness. If you read the official summarization of the actual EO, it comes off like it's just going to push Dept of Education money and grant money towards whoever makes America look good. I may be totally wrong and hopefully I am, but that is the vibe I got from it.

We just need to teach our kids both the good and the bad things our country has done and been apart of, both the atrocities we have committed and the great things we have accomplished and invented and pushed as a society. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp. We shouldn't train children to be good little blind patriotic puppets and gloss over the bad stuff in a paragraph or two, just as we shouldn't make it out that the USA is all bad/evil. Obviously the USA is a great country with many positives. Of course we can always push to be better. History is very grey and should be taught from an unbiased viewpoint if at all possible. People do often times make the mistake of judging various people and events throughout history through the lens of their current time period.

If this EO had been signed with a push to make history taught as unbiased as possible with specific cited examples as to what it is we're doing wrong currently, I would've agreed with it. But solely wanting to push one side of it misses the mark.

I went to Memphis State (as it was called then) in the 80's. I have several examples of my professors pushing liberal agenda.

My daughter took 2 Dual Enrollment classes at Memphis during her high school senior year a couple of years ago: English and Psychology. Of those two classes, she was surprised it was the English teacher pushing his liberal agenda instead of the psych teacher.

They discourage Psych teachers from pushing a liberal agenda because even lefties consider that to be unethical. It's called drumming up business! TDS, wokedom, unhinged syndromes are great for business.

Tell your kids to take real majors, then there will be no problem. It's pretty hard to politicize Terghazi's Method, Coulomb's Law, or the Laws of Thermodynamics.

(11-03-2020 11:45 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Tell your kids to take real majors, then there will be no problem. It's pretty hard to politicize Terghazi's Method, Coulomb's Law, or the Laws of Thermodynamics.

Ah! But science and math doesn't fit into the wholly delusional world of losers because it is factual, methodical, and disproves all of the social theories of marginalization which make up the world of excuses for those who cannot o will not achieve.

Psychology and alternate history not only tell the loser why they lost, but manage to blame the losing on some unsuspecting winner.