(11-01-2020 12:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 11:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-01-2020 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-31-2020 11:40 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-31-2020 11:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  To be fair, he is not wrong. Trump looks at the virus response from a more multifaceted standpoint that includes considering how Covid response measures affect an economy that feeds, clothes, and shelters 330 million Americans. He can not afford to look at the response in the same Single dimensional somewhat myopic way Faucci views it.

Fauci's not wrong? He wants to lock down the country (i.e. non-essential businesses) and has said that gatherings of more than a few people, as in churches, schools and so on, should continue to be banned, until perhaps 2022. He said that a few weeks ago.

He is also on record as saying the vaccine might be only 30-50% effective, and that maybe only half the country would take it. And that we should stop shaking hands forever.

He has praised the latest efforts of Australia, France and other countries who have reinstituted draconian lockdowns in the face of rising cases, but not hospital shortages or commiserate rising deaths.

I have no issue with him giving that advice to Trump, and letting Trump decide what to do, balancing concerns of the economy along with it.

But I have a HUGE issue with Fauci going public 3 days before an election, and basically saying Trump is ignoring his advice in favor of economics. Nobody elected Fauci. That is Trump's decision.

Put it in a corporate setting. Let's say a CEO, elected by the Board, makes a public policy statement of great import to a large section of the country, then a VP who gave input to the CEO comes out and says he disagrees with the CEO, and that the CEO is making a mistake.

How long do you think that VP would remain with the company?

And Fauci went further, saying he was endorsing Biden's approach. It distinctly says in high level federal departmental contracts that you can't do that.

Not to mention, there are plenty of experts in epidemiology and infectious diseases in the US and around the world who strongly disagree with practically all of Fauci's views. They are easy to find on Fox, online, etc.

So, Fauci is definitely wrong to speak out, and he doesn't hold a monopoly on the right things to do, even on the medical side of the equation.

Did you read what I wrote. Fauci is not wrong that a shutdown would probably save lives—-but at what long run cost? My point is Fauci may in fact be correct as a medical expert looking ONLY at Covid deaths. However, he’s not the ONLY expert that matters. Economist are experts too and they are telling both Trump and the WHO that the economic damage and long term poverty created by the shutdowns would kill more over the long run than Covid. That’s what I’m saying.

It’s like the Flood control Department guy saying the mayor needs to spend more on flood control because the current flood control capacity is inadequate. The flood control guy is probably right that the drainage system has weaknesses the need improvements, but the mayor must balance that flood issue with rising crime (needs more police), a water plant nearing capacity that must be expanded, a current pressing shortage of fire trucks, and a shortage in the pension system. The mayor has to consider all 4 issues where as the director of the flood control department only has to be concerned with what’s best for area flood control. That’s all I’m saying.

I read your post. I get it. You're saying Fauci is just giving his opinion from a medical standpoint, but Trump has to take other things into consideration.

Fine. That's a pretty benign take. But that's not the issue to me.

It's Fauci saying we couldn't be more poorly positioned right now (with Trump) and that Biden is taking it more seriously. Right before an election. Picking sides publicly to sway an election.

That is Fauci's opinion. As an adviser to the president, he should give that advice to Trump, not publicly to the news media when he disagrees with his boss. Especially 3 days before an election.

I also disagree that "Fauci is not wrong." Fauci wants lockdowns in some cases into 2022, per his own words. That is disputed by lots of other medical experts.

Fauci criticizes the US, yet praises China, and refuses to condemn large protests as being potential super spreaders, while agreeing with bans on all other gatherings. That's political BS.

His opinion isn't technically wrong. But it's only one, and he is using it as a club against Trump, and a pat on the back for Biden. Three days before an election.

If the Director of the FBI did a similar thing, would that be okay? Fauci is a federal government employee and works for the executive branch.

You don't see anything wrong with any of that? That's where we disagree, not about his medical opinion, although even that is disputed by other experts.

P.S. I see where you edited your last response while I was typing, which puts us closer together.

I think we all agree. I just don't think he is as far out in left field as you think he is. He's wrong to do this, but its not an all out "war." He's just running his mouth to get attention.

Agree, you say tomayto, I say tomahto. I still call it war b/c he knows exactly what he's doing right before the election, he is taking his advice public when his boss didn't agree with him, and he drop kicked Atlas into next week, when there are plenty of health experts who agree with Atlas.

Dude is way out of bounds, but the war part to me is his blatant attempt at the last minute to influence the election.