Well, that's kinda overwhelming.

Edit: here's the tweet if the tag doesn't work: https://mobile.twitter.com/GOPChairwoman...1403793410

Sean Trende has an interesting article on realclearpolitics today on the Republican Party’s future. He suggests realignment has already happened. The Republicans will be more populist and less country club. (On phone so not linking it now)

(10-30-2020 01:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  Sean Trende has an interesting article on realclearpolitics today on the Republican Party’s future. He suggests realignment has already happened. The Republicans will be more populist and less country club. (On phone so not linking it now)

I would add the caveateat that while the realignment may have already happened, it won't be complete unless Trump wins.

If Trump loses and the GOP fights to return to the Romneys of the world, all of the realignment can be undone.

(10-30-2020 10:55 AM)Curumim Wrote:  

Well, that's kinda overwhelming.

Edit: here's the tweet if the tag doesn't work: https://mobile.twitter.com/GOPChairwoman...1403793410

Some of the stats she had the other day showed some places where up to 40% were not Republicans at the rallies. Even more interesting were the % of those attending who hadn't voted before - those don't show up in polling.

And nearly 36% didn't bother to vote in '16.

If asked, I'd bet the reason given would be some variation of "I can't stand either one of them". They both suck.

Now, 4 years later they're spending hours in line to go to a rally.

Hunh.

(10-30-2020 01:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 01:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  Sean Trende has an interesting article on realclearpolitics today on the Republican Party’s future. He suggests realignment has already happened. The Republicans will be more populist and less country club. (On phone so not linking it now)

I would add the caveateat that while the realignment may have already happened, it won't be complete unless Trump wins.

If Trump loses and the GOP fights to return to the Romneys of the world, all of the realignment can be undone.

They do that we'll for sure have our third party.

My guess they're being generous w/ that number. Example, I'm not sure if I'm a registered Republican or not (tho I vote straight Republican every election). They'd probably mark me as a non-Republican in that poll.

Are the responders being truthful? (GOP'ers lying to pad that number?)

The more important # to me would be the % that didn't vote in 2016. (again could be people lying)

I have a good friend in California (LA county) that has been a slightly left of center liberal since I've known them. They don't like guns and don't believe people should have them.

That individual voted early on Monday and voted for President Trump.

I have a funny feeling there is a lot of this going on, and the media and dem polling is selectively not talking about it/reporting it.

(10-30-2020 02:19 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I have a good friend in California (LA county) that has been a slightly left of center liberal since I've known them. They don't like guns and don't believe people should have them.

That individual voted early on Monday and voted for President Trump.

I have a funny feeling there is a lot of this going on, and the media and dem polling is selectively not talking about it/reporting it.

Ignorance or denial..with the MSM those two overlap

(10-30-2020 01:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 01:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  Sean Trende has an interesting article on realclearpolitics today on the Republican Party’s future. He suggests realignment has already happened. The Republicans will be more populist and less country club. (On phone so not linking it now)

If Trump loses and the GOP fights to return to the Romneys of the world, all of the realignment can be undone.

One point of the article is that it can’t be undone

(10-30-2020 02:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 01:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 01:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  Sean Trende has an interesting article on realclearpolitics today on the Republican Party’s future. He suggests realignment has already happened. The Republicans will be more populist and less country club. (On phone so not linking it now)

If Trump loses and the GOP fights to return to the Romneys of the world, all of the realignment can be undone.

One point of the article is that it can’t be undone

Ultimately I agree. But short term it will sure be a battle to try.

(10-30-2020 01:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  And nearly 36% didn't bother to vote in '16.

If asked, I'd bet the reason given would be some variation of "I can't stand either one of them". They both suck.

Now, 4 years later they're spending hours in line to go to a rally.

Hunh.

These are people that probably pay little attention to politics. The protests/rioting/vandalism/assaults may have opened their eyes a bit, especially if they figured out which side was OK with it.

(10-30-2020 04:43 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 01:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  And nearly 36% didn't bother to vote in '16.

If asked, I'd bet the reason given would be some variation of "I can't stand either one of them". They both suck.

Now, 4 years later they're spending hours in line to go to a rally.

Hunh.

These are people that probably pay little attention to politics. The protests/rioting/vandalism/assaults may have opened their eyes a bit, especially if they figured out which side was OK with it.

anti-extreme lockdown people as well

(10-30-2020 04:43 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  These are people that probably pay little attention to politics. The protests/rioting/vandalism/assaults may have opened their eyes a bit, especially if they figured out which side was OK with it.

I don’t know about y’all but I’ve seen this among my family and friends.

(10-30-2020 04:50 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 04:43 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  These are people that probably pay little attention to politics. The protests/rioting/vandalism/assaults may have opened their eyes a bit, especially if they figured out which side was OK with it.

I don’t know about y’all but I’ve seen this among my family and friends.

It’s exactly what my liberal friend told me caused them to vote Trump this year.


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(10-30-2020 02:19 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I have a good friend in California (LA county) that has been a slightly left of center liberal since I've known them. They don't like guns and don't believe people should have them.

That individual voted early on Monday and voted for President Trump.

I have a funny feeling there is a lot of this going on, and the media and dem polling is selectively not talking about it/reporting it.

I'm a registered Dem, voted for the second time in a row straight Repub(i need to get that changed). I grew up slightly left of center but the craziness of the last 10 years or so push me farther and farther right. I know a lot of people that are just like me in that regard too.

I am technically registered as a democrat (in Texas all you do is announce when you show up at the primary, and I have voted for Hillary twice in primaries as the lesser evil), so I get all the fundraiser email from them. I am a card carrying libertarian, so I get stuff from them. And I have contributed to think tanks like Heritage and Hoover and Heartland, so I am on republican mail/email lists too.

I voted for Reagan in 1980, solidly libertarian since, this time I voted republican at the top of the ballot and libertarian down ballot. I am not a huge Trump fan, but I truly see Biden-Harris as a fate worse than death.