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(01-10-2022 03:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Whoa there, little camper.

You and glacier were all “that’s just what happens when your systems fail due to Covid” kind of crazy when we discussed this last. Preexisting was dismissed. When I brought it up a year ago it was dismissed as right wing drivel.

The slow drip has been fun to watch.

You are not supposed to remind him of his past ramblings that conflict with his current ramblings.

Keep that up and he will block you

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JUST IN - GOP Oversight Committee releases never before seen emails of NIAID Director Dr. Fauci.

https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/...011122.pdf




What to do with Fauci and Collins?

Fauci is the highest paid federal employee in the nation...even higher than the president. Talk about governmental waste.

I’ve been saying that Fauci needed to go since the beginning of the pandemic. I’m starting to feel a bit vindicated.

Rand Paul nailed it. He’s either run of the mill incompetent or a corrupt grifter. That’s the list.

(01-11-2022 11:50 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  I’ve been saying that Fauci needed to go since the beginning of the pandemic. I’m starting to feel a bit vindicated.

Fauci has done fine. He has an important role to play for scientific research. The only people disgruntled with him are partisan actors. He's endured 5 different presidencies including Trump, who fired everybody. Ask yourself why that is. He's fine. Don't let pandemic mania convince you otherwise.

And this is why: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/po...170625002/

Rand Paul is a clown politician that moonlights as a fake libertarian. Fauci is the head of an important federal health agency. Researchers and doctors rely on the NIH for billions in research funding. Two of my projects have NIH grants ascribed to them. Most people here had no idea who Fauci was or what the NIH is before the pandemic. They still have no clue. Don't get sucked into obscure political websites trying to capitalize on that confusion to spur anger.

(01-11-2022 02:18 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  And this is why: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/po...170625002/

Rand Paul is a clown politician that moonlights as a fake libertarian. Fauci is the head of an important federal health agency. Researchers and doctors rely on the NIH for billions in research funding. Two of my projects have NIH grants ascribed to them. Most people here had no idea who Fauci was or what the NIH is before the pandemic. They still have no clue. Don't get sucked into obscure political websites trying to capitalize on that confusion to spur anger.

Fauci at best has been inconsistent. At worse he is a unapologetic liar.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/12/27/...s-message/

(01-11-2022 02:40 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Rand Paul has done fine. He has an important role to play for scientific research with a medical degree from Duke University School of Medicine and a responsibility to serve the people as elections are suppose to do. The only people disgruntled with him are partisan actors. He's endured 2 different presidencies including Trump, who basically said he's ugly. Ask yourself why that is. He's fine. Don't let pandemic mania convince you otherwise.

Rand Paul was an eye doctor. Fauci has headed medical research against emerging infectious diseases for over 40 years.

More importantly, you had no idea who Fauci was before 2020 and probably didn't have any idea what NIAID stood for. I'm sure you were plenty familiar with Rand Paul's "politicis" though. What happens when hey butt heads? Well, when one guy calls the other wrong, you side with the politician who is completely out of his element. That's what people refer to when they say that the pandemic has been politicized - trusting partisan carnival barkers instead of people who are obviously qualified to address the problem.

(01-11-2022 02:45 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 02:18 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  And this is why: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/po...170625002/

Rand Paul is a clown politician that moonlights as a fake libertarian. Fauci is the head of an important federal health agency. Researchers and doctors rely on the NIH for billions in research funding. Two of my projects have NIH grants ascribed to them. Most people here had no idea who Fauci was or what the NIH is before the pandemic. They still have no clue. Don't get sucked into obscure political websites trying to capitalize on that confusion to spur anger.

Fauci at best has been inconsistent. At worse he is a unapologetic liar.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/12/27/...s-message/

I'm sure if you read right wing news sights, they've probably combed over everything Fauci has said in the past 2 years and tried to highlight every inconsistency, or every medical phenomenon that has yet to be explained. You're better off thinking about this rationally - a new disease was identified for the first time in 2019 and has since killed millions of people world wide in just 2 years. Research has been flooding in ever since at a record pace. Being consistent with any messaging early in the pandemic is nearly impossible. For a few months we thought surface transmission was one of the primary avenues of attack. That got debunked. It doesn't make scientists hypocrites for christssake.

What you're doing is basically trying to find every inconsistency and imply that any misstep negates their authority. Then you'll find a politician and suggest that THEY are correct instead.

Btw, hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and ventilator use in the Cincinnati region hospital network are now at the highest point they've been during the pandemic.

Once again, all it takes to do your part is stop at Kroger for a vaccine and maybe wear a mask in crowded places. That's it. Almost as easy as a Go-Fund me donation.

(01-11-2022 02:57 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 02:45 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 02:18 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  And this is why: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/po...170625002/

Rand Paul is a clown politician that moonlights as a fake libertarian. Fauci is the head of an important federal health agency. Researchers and doctors rely on the NIH for billions in research funding. Two of my projects have NIH grants ascribed to them. Most people here had no idea who Fauci was or what the NIH is before the pandemic. They still have no clue. Don't get sucked into obscure political websites trying to capitalize on that confusion to spur anger.

Fauci at best has been inconsistent. At worse he is a unapologetic liar.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/12/27/...s-message/

I'm sure if you read right wing news sights, they've probably combed over everything Fauci has said in the past 2 years and tried to highlight every inconsistency, or every medical phenomenon that has yet to be explained. You're better off thinking about this rationally - a new disease was identified for the first time in 2019 and has since killed millions of people world wide in just 2 years. Research has been flooding in ever since at a record pace. Being consistent with any messaging early in the pandemic is nearly impossible. For a few months we thought surface transmission was one of the primary avenues of attack. That got debunked. It doesn't make scientists hypocrites for christssake.

What you're doing is basically trying to find every inconsistency and imply that any misstep negates their authority. Then you'll find a politician and suggest that THEY are correct instead.

You don't have to be right or left wing. You listen to what he says. You read the emails that were sent to him. Fauci is a bureaucrat and is out for one thing. Protect his position.

The emails were much of the same. People not understanding niche concepts and trying to blow everything into a giant conspiracy theory. Seriously, Trump fired everyone who looked at him funny. What's the conspiracy as to how Fauci managed to stick around and undermine him? Is this an extension of the FBI deep state or the Medical Deep State? I'm trying to keep track of all the entities we're supposed to hate now. Next year the right wing grift is going to be attacking meteorologists for hurricane predictions and we'll have Rand Paul calling for the abolition of the National Weather Service. All those "fear government" tea party libertarians are just angry guys yelling at clouds. The only one who was serious about libertarianism got ran out of the party. Now you're left with Jim Jordan, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul fighting insane culture wars over sesame street and the pandemic. It's bad for the country.

(01-11-2022 03:30 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  The emails were much of the same. People not understanding niche concepts and trying to blow everything into a giant conspiracy theory. Seriously, Trump fired everyone who looked at him funny. What's the conspiracy as to how Fauci managed to stick around and undermine him? Is this an extension of the FBI deep state or the Medical Deep State? I'm trying to keep track of all the entities we're supposed to hate now. Next year the right wing grift is going to be attacking meteorologists for hurricane predictions and we'll have Rand Paul calling for the abolition of the National Weather Service. All those "fear government" tea party libertarians are just angry guys yelling at clouds. The only one who was serious about libertarianism got ran out of the party. Now you're left with Jim Jordan, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul fighting insane culture wars over sesame street and the pandemic. It's bad for the country.

To constantly chastise others of being partisan you seem to have no self awareness of how partisan you are. Fauci has lied and you seem completely unable to admit that.

I'm reactionary. I'm telling you guys to not listen to politicians in general and instead create a broad swath of primary sources and actual experts that can form an opinion. Yes, I'm calling out much of the right wing politicians. But I'm also not endorsing any liberal politicians or suggesting you blindly follow Biden advice. This is a board of primarily old conservative men. If it was a group of mid 20s yuppies suggesting we should listen to AOC instead of Fauci id say the same thing.

Having political opinions doesn't make you a partisan actor. Politics encompasses everything. It's when you suggest we don't listen to relevant health experts, in favor of right wing politicians, that you become a partisan actor. There's a difference. You guys are saying we should not listen to any of the foremost health experiment, only politicians. I'm saying your politicians are trash and it's nonsensical to approach this pandemic on the backs of their input.

(01-11-2022 03:47 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I'm reactionary. I'm telling you guys to not listen to politicians in general and instead create a broad swath of primary sources and actual experts that can form an opinion. Yes, I'm calling out much of the right wing politicians. But I'm also not endorsing any liberal politicians or suggesting you blindly follow Biden advice. This is a board of primarily old conservative men. If it was a group of mid 20s yuppies suggesting we should listen to AOC instead of Fauci id say the same thing.

Having political opinions doesn't make you a partisan actor. Politics encompasses everything. It's when you suggest we don't listen to relevant health experts, in favor of right wing politicians, that you become a partisan actor. There's a difference. You guys are saying we should not listen to any of the foremost health experiment, only politicians. I'm saying your politicians are trash and it's nonsensical to approach this pandemic on the backs of their input.

I have listened to Fauci and recognize he has lied.

(01-11-2022 03:04 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

Btw, hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and ventilator use in the Cincinnati region hospital network are now at the highest point they've been during the pandemic.

Once again, all it takes to do your part is stop at Kroger for a vaccine and maybe wear a mask in crowded places. That's it. Almost as easy as a Go-Fund me donation.

It seems that vaccines, masks, social distancing, shutting down all kinds of stuff never worked. How many in hospitals because of covid vs. with covid? How many have multiple comorbidities? Is that Omicron? Pfizer CEO said the Vaccine has little to no impact relative to omicron. What tests are they using PCR which is not accepted anymore, why was it ever acceptable? How much money does how a hospital get for a covid positive hospitalization?

(01-11-2022 04:00 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  I have listened to Fauci and recognize he has lied.

Then don't listen to Fauci. There are thousands of highly qualified scientists and doctors at the NIH and the NIAID. All the research work related to Covid has been public access since the start of the pandemic. We have health agencies from around the globe tracking data. You have every avenue possible to avoid listening to your local politicians but for whatever reason people are hell bent on it anyways. Rand Paul is so far down the list of people I want to hear from during a Pandemic the only reason I could see for him popping up in this discussion is the politicalization you guys so often decry.

(01-11-2022 04:08 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(01-11-2022 04:00 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  I have listened to Fauci and recognize he has lied.

Then don't listen to Fauci. There are thousands of highly qualified scientists and doctors at the NIH and the NIAID. All the research work related to Covid has been public access since the start of the pandemic. We have health agencies from around the globe tracking data. You have every avenue possible to avoid listening to your local politicians but for whatever reason people are hell bent on it anyways. Rand Paul is so far down the list of people I want to hear from during a Pandemic the only reason I could see for him popping up in this discussion is the politicalization you guys so often decry.

But Fauci is the guy that the media, and often the government puts up on the stage for the general public. If I'm watching any national news, which is rare, I change the channel every time he pops up. Most of the citizens that watch the news aren't going to take the time to investigate COVID news/stats/facts for themselves so they are left with what the MSM gives them, which often can't be trusted.

The MSM could prop up far worse infectious disease doctors than Fauci. Reminder that the NIH, CDC, etc. all were created by us and for us. They are inherently apolitical organizations that serve our interests. Does that mean that they are, in practice, apolitical? Of course not. That's not how government works. People have political beliefs. That's not the same thing as weaponizing your political beliefs to justify non-political decisions (like not getting vaccinated). It is infuriating watching people write-off every single resource we have to combat a pandemic and then come back with some random Zero Hedge blog post of a foot doctor claiming to cure Covid by drinking his own piss. We should be having honest discussions about the role these things play in our lives but instead it's been about 2 years of "Fauci is the WHO is China is Communist is the Holocaust".