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A weekend with me and I’d have him whipped into shore leave habits that would make an old salt sailor proud:

The mask is an annoying battle flag. Saw a few patients at my last hospital one day last week, I try to make a point of seeing all the COVID positive people last so I don't spread it around to folks otherwise sick. Had the good fortune of finishing in time to meet my wife and kids to catch our second graders Christmas program. I wore a mask because I just left the rooms of multiple people dying with or just struggling from COVID. Not wearing it because I am worried about catching anything, just don't want to spread it. Caught many a disapproving glare, not that I care. I'm a grown ass man, do what I want to do.

Quote:"The leader of UC Health delivered grim tidings Wednesday about the continuing intense strain on local hospitals as unvaccinated COVID-19 patients, largely in their 60s, fill beds at levels not seen since last winter.

“We're at the point where we're actually making sort of real-time decisions about whether or not we can accommodate more procedures at this point,” said Dr. Richard Lofgren, president and chief executive officer of the region’s adult academic health system. The most critical problem, he said, is staffing.

“This pandemic is actually overwhelming our health systems,” Lofgren said.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20...909240002/

Yet again, refusing to get vaccinated at this point without a valid excuse is selfish and continues to hurt others.

Screw you, Junior.

You are probably one of those sick progressives that are bummed that Omicron isn’t as scary as they hoped it would be. Gotta keep that fear porn churning to have the masses freely give up their rights.

I posted a direct quote from the president and CEO of one of the largest health care conglomerates in the region. But sure, keep hiding behind a political bubble. It's easier than admitting you just don't care about other people.

You do you.

After Covid tests that I got from clinics on my own and then another one when I was admitted for treatment last month, all 4 negative, my recent antibody test came back thumbs up..So I still have antibodies from when I was positive 16 months ago.

Get your annual boosters forever. Sheep.

Or just get your (free) booster so people we love and care about in health care don't have to spend another holiday season going through hell.

You do you. Sheep.

Baaaaaaaa....

(12-15-2021 12:51 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

Quote:"The leader of UC Health delivered grim tidings Wednesday about the continuing intense strain on local hospitals as unvaccinated COVID-19 patients, largely in their 60s, fill beds at levels not seen since last winter.

“We're at the point where we're actually making sort of real-time decisions about whether or not we can accommodate more procedures at this point,” said Dr. Richard Lofgren, president and chief executive officer of the region’s adult academic health system. The most critical problem, he said, is staffing.

“This pandemic is actually overwhelming our health systems,” Lofgren said.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20...909240002/

Yet again, refusing to get vaccinated at this point without a valid excuse is selfish and continues to hurt others.

Your accusation is way too broad. If you're in a high risk group, yes, I agree with you that you should be vaccinated or you are potentially hurting others via straining the healthcare system. If you are under the age of 50 and healthy in no way are you hurting others any more than a vaccinated person is. Being 80 lbs overweight is not "healthy" either folks. The amount of hospitalized people that are healthy and under 50 is miniscule, so stop lumping everyone into the same boat. You're also continuing to blatantly ignore the millions of Americans with natural immunity.

I actually had covid a couple weeks ago for the first time (unlike my sister in law who has had it twice while being fully vaxxed). 99% of my colds are worse than what covid was for me. I'm in my 30's and healthy. I felt under the weather for one day, woke up feeling totally fine the next day but couldn't smell a thing. I didn't hurt others by not being vaxxed, and now I have antibodies that are as good or better than yours.

Being in a group that is not at-risk of severe covid doesn't mean the vaccine is useless. You can still spread it. Having covid (and "natural immunity") does not render the vaccines useless. We have plenty of data now showing immunity waning over time, and that booster shots can restore immunity to the same levels you'd have immediately after the vaccine response or natural immunity. Yes, being unhealthy and unnecessarily putting yourself at risk of needing extended health care is also selfish. People who have been unvaccinated spread and contract the disease at far higher rates than those who are unvaccinated. These are simple truths that you shouldn't get bent out of shape about. I'm a little overdue for the booster and am putting it off until my schedule clears up. That's selfish too, and I'll be the first one to admit it. Accountability is just absent around here. Hope everyone finds peace this christmas anyways though.

When the belief was that vaccination was going to prevent infection and spread your argument about a responsibility to society was debateable. I was vaccinated in the spring for this reason entirely; COVID is not a threat to a perfectly healthy person like myself. Now COVID is being spread widely among 95+% vaccinated professional sports teams. Vaccines have their benefits as far as preventing severe disease but it's no longer about preventing the spread of the disease so it's a personal decision about whether you need it or not. I will absolutely not consider a booster.

What Kroger is doing is disgraceful targeting employees who've been coming in during the dark days of COVID. If they're penalizing non-vaccinated employees for missing time due to COVID why not do the same with obese who've dramatically increased their odds of missing time due to that health decision. Just to reiterate it's not about preventing spread as COVID is running wild among highly vaccinated populations.

I would be interested in that data to backup the claim that the unvaccinated people are spreading this at far higher rates.

71% of the US is vaccinated. Over half of the unvaccinated crowd has natural immunity. Our cases are higher now than most of the time pre vaccines and when natural immunity was far less than it is now. So you're trying to tell me that the very small percentage of Americans who are unvaccinated and have no natural immunity are responsible for today's cases? Not buying it.

(12-15-2021 03:01 PM)bearcats23 Wrote:  I would be interested in that data to backup the claim that the unvaccinated people are spreading this at far higher rates.

You'll be waiting a long time. Public "health" has done an excellent job of claiming what data says without actually providing any. We are a heavily vaccinated country. UK is even more vaccinated than we are and just recorded their record number of infections.

(12-15-2021 03:10 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 03:01 PM)bearcats23 Wrote:  I would be interested in that data to backup the claim that the unvaccinated people are spreading this at far higher rates.

You'll be waiting a long time. Public "health" has done an excellent job of claiming what data says without actually providing any. We are a heavily vaccinated country. UK is even more vaccinated than we are and just recorded their record number of infections.

Data collection in public health has a long way to go. But for the question at hand, there is readily available information on this subject that you can find with 10 seconds on google.

Cases:



Deaths:

If it’s really a vacdine (it’s really only sort of a vaccine...more a therapeutic) how in the world could an unvaccinated person be a threat to those who”follow the science”?

Remember all these #1 on the hit charts songs we were told were gospel truth by the helpful media?

Herd immunity!

If you get the (sorta) vaccine you’ll be totally protected!

It will last forever!

No boosters needed!

Well, only this one booster!

Ok, possibly annual boosters!

And nobody is allowed to talk about natural immunity. Why? Because there is no actual capital, no political capital, and no gub’mint control of natural immunity. Which per the test results I got back a week ago, I possess. Heck, I’m likely less of a risk than people who have never had Covid but are vaccinated.

Good Lord. Put the goalposts on wheels and be done with it.

(12-15-2021 03:29 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If it’s really a vacdine (it’s really only sort of a vaccine...more a therapeutic) how in the world could an unvaccinated person be a threat to those who”follow the science”?

Option A) Unvaccinated people spread the virus so much amongst each other that it overwhelms health care systems which strains everything. Elective surgeries must stop (as they are...again), hospitals lose money, patients in the hospital have less doctors/staff attending to them, etc. etc.

Option B) Unvaccinated person spread virus to vaccinated person. Vaccinated person has small chance of severe side effects. Virus continues to prolong.

Option C) Unvaccinated person spreads to vaccinated person. Vaccinated person has multiple compromising conditions. The vaccine renders significant protection, but not enough. Vaccinated individual dies anyways.

Option D) Unvaccinated person contracts Covid. Not realizing they are at risk, they die. Entire family is left without loved one. Worse yet, entire family is left without provider.

It's really not rocket science.

(12-15-2021 04:08 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 03:29 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If it’s really a vacdine (it’s really only sort of a vaccine...more a therapeutic) how in the world could an unvaccinated person be a threat to those who”follow the science”?

Option A) Unvaccinated people spread the virus so much amongst each other that it overwhelms health care systems which strains everything. Elective surgeries must stop (as they are...again), hospitals lose money, patients in the hospital have less doctors/staff attending to them, etc. etc.

Option B) Unvaccinated person spread virus to vaccinated person. Vaccinated person has small chance of severe side effects. Virus continues to prolong.

Option C) Unvaccinated person spreads to vaccinated person. Vaccinated person has multiple compromising conditions. The vaccine renders significant protection, but not enough. Vaccinated individual dies anyways.

Option D) Unvaccinated person contracts Covid. Not realizing they are at risk, they die. Entire family is left without loved one. Worse yet, entire family is left without provider.

It's really not rocket science.

Option A hasn’t happened yet despite mask mandates and lockdowns that don’t do squat and despite the fact that a majority of the country is (sorta) vaccinated now.

Option B, yeah nice (sorta) vaccine you have there if the vaccinated have to be afraid of the unvaccinated for fear of contracting what the vaccination and booster(s) protect against Wonder if that is one of the many reasons some don’t want the (sorta) vaccine? Would be ripe for a class action med products liability case if the gub’mint didn’t give big pharma pre-existing immunity. It only sorta works.

Option C/. See above.

Option D: you are a perpetually weeping bleeding heart who loves pleas to emotion. Bless your little leftist soul.

You forgot Option E which is the vaccinated pass this around to anyone vaccinated or otherwise unless perhaps they have natural immunity.

Better build a bunker, kiddo. It’s going to be a long scary adulthood.

Option A has been happening, has happened multiple times already, and will continue to happen until we improve health care infrastructure. Anytime elective surgeries stop you're stressing the system. Hospitals lost >$22B in revenue during 2021. Economically this kneecaps many of our biggest employers. Then you have state/federal aid required to help those struggling hospitals, and morons like you will drum up conspiracies about how Hospitals get more money from "Covid positive" patients.

None of this even considers the human impact endured by health care professionals who are tasked with fighting Covid. In fact, a health care professional just told you about how covid has stressed his workplace and you ignored him. Some other guy on here told you how his family members died from Covid and you laughed at him. Once again, I think the difference we have is that you simply don't care about other people.

Rath you need to open a science textbook my man. Your understanding of how vaccination works is just out there. There was never any science that said vaccinations were 100% effective. From the beginning Phizer and Moderna were in the 90 percents of effectiveness and the reporting noted as much. The J&J vaccine was in the 70 percent range. All were significantly higher in terms of preventing severe illness (death and hospitalization). Vaccines are a huge reason that while we are still seeing the spread of COVID in high numbers death rates are way down and hospitalizations/deaths are disproportionately among the unvaccinated. They've worked how the science has explained from the beginning. Vaccination doesn't have to be 100% effective to save a ton of lives and one of the central tenants of vaccination effectiveness has always been widespread vaccination is far more effective than limited vaccination.

We're better than many on the left want to admit as far as vaccination, but not nearly as well off as we should be because of anti-vac nonsense and general science illiteracy among the populace.

Mark, feel free to admit or deny that the list of things I listed in post 2215 above that were presented to the public as fact about the (sorta) vaccine were, er... not exactly accurate.

Gold plated Saint Fauci of the Perpetual Flip Flop medallions for those who admit that the goalposts have been continually moved since day one of vaccine availability.