What if the CAA decided to go a totally different route, and aggressively pursue Indiana of Pennsylvania and West Chester of Pennsylvania for membership?? Would those schools be receptive?? Would it help the CAA's reputation up north???

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Edit: Looked them up. Those are Division II teams. Why would the CAA do that?

(10-27-2020 11:08 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  What if the CAA decided to go a totally different route, and aggressively pursue Indiana of Pennsylvania and West Chester of Pennsylvania for membership?? Would those schools be receptive?? Would it help the CAA's reputation up north???

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CAA wouldn't take D2 callups. If they wanted to expand/backfill in the Northeast, they'd be a lot more likely to take another swing at America East. Perhaps if LaSalle decided to deemphasize athletics (or at least not try to be A-10 level anymore), they'd take a crack at them).

With PASSHE currently doing some belt-tightening and considering merging schools it's highly doubtful Indiana (PA) and West Chester get to make a D1 move. Some of the merging may only be combining administrative duties. Part of the deal though is that IUP and WCU are left alone.

There's a nearly 600 post thread about this on the D2 board.

If D2 schools in the Northeast are going to move up, the CAA will not be taking them. NEC is a better shot.

I would have no interest in playing IUP or West Chester. I think most other CAA fans would feel the same.

(10-27-2020 02:28 PM)AZcats Wrote:  With PASSHE currently doing some belt-tightening and considering merging schools it's highly doubtful Indiana (PA) and West Chester get to make a D1 move. Some of the merging may only be combining administrative duties. Part of the deal though is that IUP and WCU are left alone.

There's a nearly 600 post thread about this on the D2 board.

URL/link please

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(10-27-2020 03:02 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I would have no interest in playing IUP or West Chester. I think most other CAA fans would feel the same.

I think those two would give you more competition than you realize. From what I have read about those two, they're kinda like Troy & South Alabama. As for why they didn't move up before now, who really knows the exact reason as to why. Maybe they just felt comfortable in the PSAC. I doubt that will be the case for much longer.

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(10-27-2020 09:09 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-27-2020 02:28 PM)AZcats Wrote:  With PASSHE currently doing some belt-tightening and considering merging schools it's highly doubtful Indiana (PA) and West Chester get to make a D1 move. Some of the merging may only be combining administrative duties. Part of the deal though is that IUP and WCU are left alone.

There's a nearly 600 post thread about this on the D2 board.

URL/link please

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PASSHE Institutions Merging

The thread includes links to information sources.

Yeah, but so far, while most of the PASSHE schools have been feeling some kind of sting, I think even IUP has experienced some enrollment dips. West Chester might be the healthiest. But nothing has happened yet. Maybe Covid finally moves the needle on this one and you see something like Cal-PA and Slippery Rock merge, or Mansfield and Bloomsburg. I think you have a Cheyney problem tying all of this up. And while that school probably needed to be gone yesterday, it’s so thorny an issue that the other schools could probably point to them if asked to shutter/merge and be like “so, what about those guys?”

West Chester comes up here and there, but their physical location puts them in a bad spot. Delaware wouldn’t want them anywhere near them. Temple, maybe the same (I mean, what value do they have on a schedule if FCS?). Academically, nobody up in the east would want them with a conference. NEC might be the best option (I don’t think the academics are good enough for AmEast), but would SFPA even want them? IUP would probably have it just as hard, if not worse.

(10-27-2020 09:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-27-2020 03:02 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I would have no interest in playing IUP or West Chester. I think most other CAA fans would feel the same.

I think those two would give you more competition than you realize. From what I have read about those two, they're kinda like Troy & South Alabama. As for why they didn't move up before now, who really knows the exact reason as to why. Maybe they just felt comfortable in the PSAC. I doubt that will be the case for much longer.

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The CAA is plenty competitive as it is, from a fan perspective they don't excite me at all, and I think most other CAA fans/schools feel the same.

They also both rank well below all the other CAA members on Forbes College Rankings, which is not a plus.

Delaware/Nova might be fine with West Chester, but that's about it.

If the PSAC schools were going to move up, the Atlantic Sun when it had NJIT would have been more likely.

(10-27-2020 09:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  From what I have read about those two, they're kinda like Troy & South Alabama.

What do you mean? I'm curious as to how IUP & West Chester are like Troy & South Alabama.

(10-28-2020 10:10 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(10-27-2020 09:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  From what I have read about those two, they're kinda like Troy & South Alabama.

What do you mean? I'm curious as to how IUP & West Chester are like Troy & South Alabama.

They're in the same state....

(10-28-2020 10:10 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(10-27-2020 09:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  From what I have read about those two, they're kinda like Troy & South Alabama.

What do you mean? I'm curious as to how IUP & West Chester are like Troy & South Alabama.

To me, they are very successful football programs in small towns that really love football. The teams are capable of having really special seasons too, something you normally wouldn't expect from them.

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The CAA has never been the same since everyone left a decade ago.

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(10-29-2020 02:04 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 10:10 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(10-27-2020 09:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  From what I have read about those two, they're kinda like Troy & South Alabama.

What do you mean? I'm curious as to how IUP & West Chester are like Troy & South Alabama.

To me, they are very successful football programs in small towns that really love football. The teams are capable of having really special seasons too, something you normally wouldn't expect from them.

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I don’t disagree that IUP could draw interest up there, but I think West Chester is in an area a bit too saturated at the D1 level. Consider how many programs are an hour or two drive from there. And I really believe Delaware will cut them off the schedule if they were to move up. And that game is big to West Chester.

(10-29-2020 07:32 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 02:04 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 10:10 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(10-27-2020 09:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  From what I have read about those two, they're kinda like Troy & South Alabama.

What do you mean? I'm curious as to how IUP & West Chester are like Troy & South Alabama.

To me, they are very successful football programs in small towns that really love football. The teams are capable of having really special seasons too, something you normally wouldn't expect from them.

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I don’t disagree that IUP could draw interest up there, but I think West Chester is in an area a bit too saturated at the D1 level. Consider how many programs are an hour or two drive from there. And I really believe Delaware will cut them off the schedule if they were to move up. And that game is big to West Chester.

They haven't played in football since 2012, Delaware has already cut West Chester off.

Basketball they haven't met since the 90s

The CAA is not an entry level conference. If D2 schools in PA want to go to D1 FCS they need to call the NEC because that’s a much more realistic conference to get into.

(10-29-2020 09:27 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 07:32 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 02:04 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 10:10 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(10-27-2020 09:11 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  From what I have read about those two, they're kinda like Troy & South Alabama.

What do you mean? I'm curious as to how IUP & West Chester are like Troy & South Alabama.

To me, they are very successful football programs in small towns that really love football. The teams are capable of having really special seasons too, something you normally wouldn't expect from them.

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I don’t disagree that IUP could draw interest up there, but I think West Chester is in an area a bit too saturated at the D1 level. Consider how many programs are an hour or two drive from there. And I really believe Delaware will cut them off the schedule if they were to move up. And that game is big to West Chester.

They haven't played in football since 2012, Delaware has already cut West Chester off.

Basketball they haven't met since the 90s

I know, but I think this was due to some of the scheduling complications between the two. For Delaware, seeing more and different FBS opponents other than just Navy, the pressures to keep Delaware State on a semi-regular basis, and still keeping a Patriot and or Ivy school on the schedule.

That West Chester game was usually a season opener or the second game on the calendar. September became a much harder month to schedule for them than it was ten years ago.

That West Chester game could draw extremely well for Delaware, too. It was usually better than many of their CAA games. Better than Delaware State consistently, too. I know other CAAF fans would rib Delware fans for that West Chester game, but I don’t think there was anything malicious about it going away.

But, politically, I think that “scheduling bind” still appears if West Chester moved up. It was a “fun” scrap that had interest between the two at different levels before. The two could be competing for the same kids if West Chester moved up. A different kind of game to the likes of an Ivy school, Patsy school, or FBS school who are going after different kids than what Delaware tends to recruit. You might see more commitment then to keep Delaware State as a yearly game then.