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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
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(10-26-2020 10:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I could see the Big 12 maybe expanding one day with some combination of Cincinnati, UCF, USF, but event that seems like an extreme long shot and would require some unforeseen events like one or more of them making the playoff.

Expansion has nothing to do with success on the field. If that were the case some of the schools that have received the golden ticket would still be playing in a G5 conference. It’s not even media markets anymore. If there will be expansion it will be all about the number of eyeballs they would be able to stream due to the size of their fan base and brand strength (to potentially draw in some more casual streamers).

I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you quint really it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

As a Cincinnati alum and fan I hope you are right.
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(10-26-2020 07:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  If the Pac 12 felt the urge to expand (not that I think they will), one of the teams would be Houston. Odds are the 2nd team would be SMU, but UNLV is a possibility.

I have no idea why the PAC, arguably the conference with the strictest standards for geography and culture, would expand all the way over to Texas for anyone but .... Texas. Houston and SMU are mis-fits in the PAC in every way. Even at the game level, PAC fans have zero interest in seeing their teams play them, and it even works the other way too - who at SMU ever has dreamed of a "big game" between SMU and Washington? Nobody.

Between them, SMU does meet the academic standard and that's it. Houston meets no standards. And I've been told we are past the days when you sign teams for their "markets", markets they don't even actually deliver.

I don't think they will take them. I'm just saying if the Pac 12 expands, that's who they will take. Nobody from the Big 12 will join a conference with less exposure and less revenue.

Houston is a Tier I research university. They are on a par academically with the non-AAU schools in the Pac. And they are one of the best TV draws in the G5.

Both are also in the Texas recruiting market. It might offer the Pac 12 schools better access to Texas recruits. Oregon, UCLA and the Arizona schools already regularly recruit Texas.

Markets still matter. They just don't matter only by themselves as the conference network model is declining in significance. UCLA has played UH in Houston. It gets them exposure.
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I could see the Big 12 maybe expanding one day with some combination of Cincinnati, UCF, USF, but event that seems like an extreme long shot and would require some unforeseen events like one or more of them making the playoff.

Expansion has nothing to do with success on the field. If that were the case some of the schools that have received the golden ticket would still be playing in a G5 conference. It’s not even media markets anymore. If there will be expansion it will be all about the number of eyeballs they would be able to stream due to the size of their fan base and brand strength (to potentially draw in some more casual streamers).

I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you squint really hard it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

If Cincinnati and Houston had a record similar to Boise over the last 15 years, the networks would have been fine with the Big 12 adding them several years ago.
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-26-2020 10:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I could see the Big 12 maybe expanding one day with some combination of Cincinnati, UCF, USF, but event that seems like an extreme long shot and would require some unforeseen events like one or more of them making the playoff.

Expansion has nothing to do with success on the field. If that were the case some of the schools that have received the golden ticket would still be playing in a G5 conference. It’s not even media markets anymore. If there will be expansion it will be all about the number of eyeballs they would be able to stream due to the size of their fan base and brand strength (to potentially draw in some more casual streamers).

I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you quint really it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

As a Cincinnati alum and fan I hope you are right.

Big 10 aside, what conference do most Cincy fans want to be in?
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-26-2020 11:19 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I could see the Big 12 maybe expanding one day with some combination of Cincinnati, UCF, USF, but event that seems like an extreme long shot and would require some unforeseen events like one or more of them making the playoff.

Expansion has nothing to do with success on the field. If that were the case some of the schools that have received the golden ticket would still be playing in a G5 conference. It’s not even media markets anymore. If there will be expansion it will be all about the number of eyeballs they would be able to stream due to the size of their fan base and brand strength (to potentially draw in some more casual streamers).

I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you quint really it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

As a Cincinnati alum and fan I hope you are right.

Big 10 aside, what conference do most Cincy fans want to be in?

Money aside, most UC fans do not want to be in the B10. There have been various polls and discussions and UC fans would rather be in the ACC. Culturally we have more in common and have history with a number of those schools (not counting the Tobacco Road crew who we do not have a history with).

However, the real answer is UC or any school outside the pearly gates would take whatever they could get to be included in the club to gain the cash flow, exposure and have a chance at better bowl slots and all the perks that come with it.
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-25-2020 05:03 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 01:59 PM)46566 Wrote:  I always thought that 14 was the max in the number of teams in a P5 conference. It also doesn't help there's no slam dunk school to invite. The only conferences that have room is the Big 12 and PAC 12. The problem with the Big 12 is they would have to invite 4 teams (5 if for some reason they think West Virginia is to much of a traveling hassle) Anyone they add will devalue the contract and offer nothing more than quantity of games in the contract. The Big 12 would have been better to add 2 teams a few years ago and try to build them up as a contender.

For the Big 12 where would they expand to? Do they try with Louisiana Tech this would get game in Louisiana every other year but is really not a great pick team wise but it could get views if Texas and Oklahoma visited. Does the conference need a third team in Oklahoma with Tulsa? Arguably a better choice than Louisiana Tech and the Big 12 would be the college conference in town. Do the try to re-enter Colorado with state? Maybe try to use state to eventually try to look into getting colorado back?

The PAC 12 has less choice then the Big 12. Most of the big markets they have. Hawaii sports are not a good for the PAC 12 but would the 13th game and the week 0 schedule flexibility be worth it for the conference? Having a late game on espn be worth it? Could the Rainbow classic be put on the PAC 12 network and be used to get extra games on the PAC 12 network? The big question is who is the number 12? Does the conference go with San Diego State or go with Boise state for football? I honestly think San Diego State is a better choice football and basketball wise.

Big 12 Options:
Tulane
Memphis
Cincy
UCF
USF
Colorado State
Air Force
BYU
Boise State
New Mexico (if they could ever get a decent program going they would be a target)

Of those it just depends how many they want to add and whether they go East/west or both.

PAC-12 Options:
BYU
Boise State
UNLV
UNR
Hawaii
SDSU

Frankly, I don’t think the PAC-12 needs to expand. They just need to focus on their footprint. West is growing and they are the only game in town. They have a lean conference model and a lot of parity. They will be fine.

Just pointing out that SDSU is closer to most B12 schools than Boise iirc. Not that I think either are particularly likely to get invited.

The PAC's problem is they care about a lot of things that don't help the value of their TV deal. If they did they would've added BYU, SDSU, BSU, and UNLV/CSU. They are never going to poach B12 schools who would likely get later k/o's when they joined the PAC and not much more $$$. The PAC 12 CCG is scoring very low in the SD metro lately when they should be winning it each season.
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-26-2020 10:55 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I could see the Big 12 maybe expanding one day with some combination of Cincinnati, UCF, USF, but event that seems like an extreme long shot and would require some unforeseen events like one or more of them making the playoff.

Expansion has nothing to do with success on the field. If that were the case some of the schools that have received the golden ticket would still be playing in a G5 conference. It’s not even media markets anymore. If there will be expansion it will be all about the number of eyeballs they would be able to stream due to the size of their fan base and brand strength (to potentially draw in some more casual streamers).

I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you squint really hard it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

If Cincinnati and Houston had a record similar to Boise over the last 15 years, the networks would have been fine with the Big 12 adding them several years ago.

Agreed. Boise St would be in the club IMO if not for academics and location. And possibly even location could have been overcome but not both.

Football is certainly not the end all be all, but it helps (see TCU and Utah)
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-26-2020 11:19 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I could see the Big 12 maybe expanding one day with some combination of Cincinnati, UCF, USF, but event that seems like an extreme long shot and would require some unforeseen events like one or more of them making the playoff.

Expansion has nothing to do with success on the field. If that were the case some of the schools that have received the golden ticket would still be playing in a G5 conference. It’s not even media markets anymore. If there will be expansion it will be all about the number of eyeballs they would be able to stream due to the size of their fan base and brand strength (to potentially draw in some more casual streamers).

I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you quint really it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

As a Cincinnati alum and fan I hope you are right.

Big 10 aside, what conference do most Cincy fans want to be in?


As a long-time Cincy fan, I would prefer UC be in the ACC, reunited with Louisville. That is a league in which UC could be competitive in football. The Big 12 would be fine, too, and is more realistic than the ACC (for which there is minimal chance). The SEC and Big Ten make zero sense on various levels. Obviously, UC would take a Power 5 invite from any of the five.
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
The Big Ten and SEC will likely never add a G5 member. As apex predators of the conference realignment food chain they can be extremely selective about who they add because only a very limited number of schools would add value for them.

The Big 12, Pac 12, and ACC aren’t nearly as rich as the other two, and if they lose members, it will they who have to reload from the G5 ranks.

As we saw with the Big East/AAC, if you have to replace too many departed members, eventually you lose your P status.
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-26-2020 12:31 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 11:19 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Expansion has nothing to do with success on the field. If that were the case some of the schools that have received the golden ticket would still be playing in a G5 conference. It’s not even media markets anymore. If there will be expansion it will be all about the number of eyeballs they would be able to stream due to the size of their fan base and brand strength (to potentially draw in some more casual streamers).

I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you quint really it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

As a Cincinnati alum and fan I hope you are right.

Big 10 aside, what conference do most Cincy fans want to be in?


As a long-time Cincy fan, I would prefer UC be in the ACC, reunited with Louisville. That is a league in which UC could be competitive in football. The Big 12 would be fine, too, and is more realistic than the ACC (for which there is minimal chance). The SEC and Big Ten make zero sense on various levels. Obviously, UC would take a Power 5 invite from any of the five.

The old Metro conference when Louisville, Memphis, & Cincy dominated the standings in basketball.

A few years back, there was so much talk about the Big 12 expanding. But, they did not add any schools! Has any school who was turned down then, really improved themselves, that makes them a better candidate than before? I do think the Big 12 should add a school close to West Virginia, since they are so isolated.
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-26-2020 01:46 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 12:31 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 11:19 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you quint really it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

As a Cincinnati alum and fan I hope you are right.

Big 10 aside, what conference do most Cincy fans want to be in?


As a long-time Cincy fan, I would prefer UC be in the ACC, reunited with Louisville. That is a league in which UC could be competitive in football. The Big 12 would be fine, too, and is more realistic than the ACC (for which there is minimal chance). The SEC and Big Ten make zero sense on various levels. Obviously, UC would take a Power 5 invite from any of the five.

The old Metro conference when Louisville, Memphis, & Cincy dominated the standings in basketball.

A few years back, there was so much talk about the Big 12 expanding. But, they did not add any schools! Has any school who was turned down then, really improved themselves, that makes them a better candidate than before? I do think the Big 12 should add a school close to West Virginia, since they are so isolated.
I would say UCF has put itself in a much better position than before.
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If I had to take a guess, I think the next conference is the Big 12 simply because I think they will have a membership shake up sooner than the ACC does and if the Big 12 offers membership in 2024 I think it would be foolish to wait until 2037 for an ACC invite.
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(10-26-2020 02:34 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 01:46 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 12:31 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 11:19 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As a Cincinnati alum and fan I hope you are right.

Big 10 aside, what conference do most Cincy fans want to be in?


As a long-time Cincy fan, I would prefer UC be in the ACC, reunited with Louisville. That is a league in which UC could be competitive in football. The Big 12 would be fine, too, and is more realistic than the ACC (for which there is minimal chance). The SEC and Big Ten make zero sense on various levels. Obviously, UC would take a Power 5 invite from any of the five.

The old Metro conference when Louisville, Memphis, & Cincy dominated the standings in basketball.

A few years back, there was so much talk about the Big 12 expanding. But, they did not add any schools! Has any school who was turned down then, really improved themselves, that makes them a better candidate than before? I do think the Big 12 should add a school close to West Virginia, since they are so isolated.
I would say UCF has put itself in a much better position than before.

That's right, their National Championship football team and that Sweet 16 or Elite 8 basketball team, vs Duke, when the student, lost to the mentor.
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(10-26-2020 03:06 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 02:34 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 01:46 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 12:31 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 11:19 AM)Todor Wrote:  Big 10 aside, what conference do most Cincy fans want to be in?


As a long-time Cincy fan, I would prefer UC be in the ACC, reunited with Louisville. That is a league in which UC could be competitive in football. The Big 12 would be fine, too, and is more realistic than the ACC (for which there is minimal chance). The SEC and Big Ten make zero sense on various levels. Obviously, UC would take a Power 5 invite from any of the five.

The old Metro conference when Louisville, Memphis, & Cincy dominated the standings in basketball.

A few years back, there was so much talk about the Big 12 expanding. But, they did not add any schools! Has any school who was turned down then, really improved themselves, that makes them a better candidate than before? I do think the Big 12 should add a school close to West Virginia, since they are so isolated.
I would say UCF has put itself in a much better position than before.

That's right, their National Championship football team and that Sweet 16 or Elite 8 basketball team, vs Duke, when the student, lost to the mentor.

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(10-26-2020 07:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 08:20 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  They can get a lot more "bang for their buck" by investing in the development of the non-P5 conferences, as complete ared with making larger investments in the P5 conferences.

That's actually an interesting point.

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(10-26-2020 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I could see the Big 12 maybe expanding one day with some combination of Cincinnati, UCF, USF, but event that seems like an extreme long shot and would require some unforeseen events like one or more of them making the playoff.

Expansion has nothing to do with success on the field. If that were the case some of the schools that have received the golden ticket would still be playing in a G5 conference. It’s not even media markets anymore. If there will be expansion it will be all about the number of eyeballs they would be able to stream due to the size of their fan base and brand strength (to potentially draw in some more casual streamers).

this is true, if the G5 had something like 5 or 6 games a week with 3m viewers the TV contracts would be worth more money so if the G5 vierership was at least 2/3rds what the A5 is the G5 wouldn’t need the A5
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(10-26-2020 12:31 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 11:19 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Expansion has nothing to do with success on the field. If that were the case some of the schools that have received the golden ticket would still be playing in a G5 conference. It’s not even media markets anymore. If there will be expansion it will be all about the number of eyeballs they would be able to stream due to the size of their fan base and brand strength (to potentially draw in some more casual streamers).

I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you quint really it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

As a Cincinnati alum and fan I hope you are right.

Big 10 aside, what conference do most Cincy fans want to be in?


As a long-time Cincy fan, I would prefer UC be in the ACC, reunited with Louisville. That is a league in which UC could be competitive in football. The Big 12 would be fine, too, and is more realistic than the ACC (for which there is minimal chance). The SEC and Big Ten make zero sense on various levels. Obviously, UC would take a Power 5 invite from any of the five.

Cincy seems likely to become a power conference team, whether my joining one of the P5 conferences, or by remaining in the AAC until it becomes a power conference.

The ACC would probably be the best fit for Cincinnati, but the ACC already has 15 teams and might not find it advantageous to expand - - or some ACC schools might veto the idea. The Big 12 would seem to be the most likely to expand, but they firmly rejected a recent expansion proposal and if they were to expand, they might prefer a school (e.g., Houston, SMU, Memphis) closer to within their core geographical footprint. The PAC is probably too distant to be practical.

In a lot of ways, the American is - arguably - already a de facto FB power conference, in the sense that it has had more top 25 FB teams than two other P5 conferences (the ACC and PAC) have had in 2017, 2018, and 2019. Similarly, in 2020, there are four AAC schools in the AP Top 30 rankings, while the ACC and PAC combined have only five schools in the top 30.

An equally persuasive indication of the strength of the AAC is that, even though three of its top FB programs (UCF, Navy, & Houston) aren't ranked in the top 30, the conference still has enough depth and talent (SMU and Tulsa) to have four top 30 teams.

If the AAC continues to have 3 or 4 top 25 FB teams for the next few years - - which is a very real possibility - - it may be only a matter of time before the leading sports journalists and commentators will begin to refer to the American as either a FBS "power conference" or as one of the "major" or "major 6" FBS conferences, in the same way that they currently refer to the AAC as one of the "major 7" BB conferences.

Now, if the American were to replace Connecticut with a FBS powerhouse, such as BYU (which is considered a P5-level program by the Big 10), it would become possible for the AAC to have as many as 4 or 5 top 25 FB teams per season, on average. This would be enough to establish the AAC as the nation's #4 FBS conference, ahead of the ACC and PAC. At that point, it would be truly absurd to continue to refer to the ACC and PAC as "power" conferences without referring to the AAC as a "power" conference.

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While this might seem unlikely, BYU has previously shown interest in joining the American and may be better off doing so - - and would have a better chance to qualify for a CFP playoff bowl - - according to journalist Patrick Kinahan and national college football writer Brett McMurphy:

“BYU football-only makes a ton of sense,” McMurphy said during an interview on The Zone Sports Network.

"As BYU athletic director Tom Holmoe has stated in previous group interviews with local media representatives, BYU’s status as an independent in football is not sustainable over the long term."

PK: BYU should seriously consider joining the American Athletic Conference

"In effect, replacing Connecticut with BYU would help the AAC maintain its financial terms with ESPN."

"BYU’s inclusion would open the Mountain time zone for the American... The conference and network (could) have three nationally televised games on a Saturday, with BYU in the latest time slot for home games."


https://1280thezone.com/pk-byu-should-se...onference/


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Arguably, another way to establish the AAC as the nation's #4 FBS conference, ahead of the ACC and PAC (by virtue of having an average of 4 or 5 top 25 FB teams per season), would be for the American to replace Connecticut with a regional powerhouse, such as Boise State, Appalachian State, or Marshall.

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For Cincinnati and the American Athletic Conference, the only remaining step to de facto power conference status would be to replace Connecticut with a program (e.g. VCU, Dayton, Richmond, Rhode Island) that could send a team to the NCAA tournament on a regular or semi-regular basis.

With three perennial basketball powers (Houston, Cincy, Memphis), as well as programs with future NCAA tournament potential (e.g., Wichita State, SMU, Tulsa), the addition of another strong basketball program would make it possible for the American to join the elite company of conferences that are able to send 5 teams to future NCAA tournaments.

At that point, the American would begin to be regarded - - in much the same way as the Big East BB conference is currently regarded - - as the equivalent of a basketball power conference.

Viewership and national recognition would grow steadily, and would gradually approach that of the recognized power conferences. By the time the next broadcasting deal is negotiated, the American will have much greater earning potential.

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The only thing that would distinguish the American from the P5 conferences at that point, other than the diminishing differences in viewership and revenue income would be NCAA autonomy and AQ status, both of which could be negotiated by the AAC's broadcasting partner in 2032, in the same way that "A5" status was initially negotiated.

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Whether Commissioner Aresco has the gumption and savvy to lead the American to power conference status by replacing Connecticut with high quality FB and BB programs or not is not clear.

However, it does seem clear the American is already on the brink of attaining recognition as a de facto FB power conference, and that it is already regarded as one of the "major 7" BB conferences.

As the absence of UConn and its viewership segment becomes increasingly apparent to the conference and ESPN with each passing season, their willingness to consider adding a highly competitive FB only member and a high quality BB school may be likely to increase, along with an increasing recognition of the travel costs and travel time that can be saved by returning to a divisional framework.

Of one thing there should be little doubt: When Connecticut is replaced, the stature of the American will increase, measurably, and possibly by a quantum leap forward.
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-26-2020 06:28 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 12:31 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 11:19 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you quint really it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

As a Cincinnati alum and fan I hope you are right.

Big 10 aside, what conference do most Cincy fans want to be in?


As a long-time Cincy fan, I would prefer UC be in the ACC, reunited with Louisville. That is a league in which UC could be competitive in football. The Big 12 would be fine, too, and is more realistic than the ACC (for which there is minimal chance). The SEC and Big Ten make zero sense on various levels. Obviously, UC would take a Power 5 invite from any of the five.

Cincy seems likely to become a power conference team, whether my joining one of the P5 conferences, or by remaining in the AAC until it becomes a power conference.

The ACC would probably be the best fit for Cincinnati, but the ACC already has 15 teams and might not find it advantageous to expand - - or some ACC schools might veto the idea. The Big 12 would seem to be the most likely to expand, but they firmly rejected a recent expansion proposal and if they were to expand, they might prefer a school (e.g., Houston, SMU, Memphis) closer to within their core geographical footprint. The PAC is probably too distant to be practical.

In a lot of ways, the American is - arguably - already a de facto FB power conference, in the sense that it has had more top 25 FB teams than two other P5 conferences (the ACC and PAC) have had in 2017, 2018, and 2019. Similarly, in 2020, there are four AAC schools in the AP Top 30 rankings, while the ACC and PAC combined have only five schools in the top 30.

An equally persuasive indication of the strength of the AAC is that, even though three of its top FB programs (UCF, Navy, & Houston) aren't ranked in the top 30, the conference still has enough depth and talent (SMU and Tulsa) to have four top 30 teams.

If the AAC continues to have 3 or 4 top 25 FB teams for the next few years - - which is a very real possibility - - it may be only a matter of time before the leading sports journalists and commentators will begin to refer to the American as either a FBS "power conference" or as one of the "major" or "major 6" FBS conferences, in the same way that they currently refer to the AAC as one of the "major 7" BB conferences.

Now, if the American were to replace Connecticut with a FBS powerhouse, such as BYU (which is considered a P5-level program by the Big 10), it would become possible for the AAC to have as many as 4 or 5 top 25 FB teams per season, on average. This would be enough to establish the AAC as the nation's #4 FBS conference, ahead of the ACC and PAC. At that point, it would be truly absurd to continue to refer to the ACC and PAC as "power" conferences without referring to the AAC as a "power" conference.

....................................................................................................

While this might seem unlikely, BYU has previously shown interest in joining the American and may be better off doing so - - and would have a better chance to qualify for a CFP playoff bowl - - according to journalist Patrick Kinahan and national college football writer Brett McMurphy:

“BYU football-only makes a ton of sense,” McMurphy said during an interview on The Zone Sports Network.

"As BYU athletic director Tom Holmoe has stated in previous group interviews with local media representatives, BYU’s status as an independent in football is not sustainable over the long term."

PK: BYU should seriously consider joining the American Athletic Conference

"In effect, replacing Connecticut with BYU would help the AAC maintain its financial terms with ESPN."

"BYU’s inclusion would open the Mountain time zone for the American... The conference and network (could) have three nationally televised games on a Saturday, with BYU in the latest time slot for home games."


https://1280thezone.com/pk-byu-should-se...onference/


....................................................................................................

Arguably, another way to establish the AAC as the nation's #4 FBS conference, ahead of the ACC and PAC (by virtue of having an average of 4 or 5 top 25 FB teams per season), would be for the American to replace Connecticut with a regional powerhouse, such as Boise State, Appalachian State, or Marshall.

....................................................................................................

For Cincinnati and the American Athletic Conference, the only remaining step to de facto power conference status would be to replace Connecticut with a program (e.g. VCU, Dayton, Richmond, Rhode Island) that could send a team to the NCAA tournament on a regular or semi-regular basis.

With three perennial basketball powers (Houston, Cincy, Memphis), as well as programs with future NCAA tournament potential (e.g., Wichita State, SMU, Tulsa), the addition of another strong basketball program would make it possible for the American to join the elite company of conferences that are able to send 5 teams to future NCAA tournaments.

At that point, the American would begin to be regarded - - in much the same way as the Big East BB conference is currently regarded - - as the equivalent of a basketball power conference.

Viewership and national recognition would grow steadily, and would gradually approach that of the recognized power conferences. By the time the next broadcasting deal is negotiated, the American will have much greater earning potential.

....................................................................................................

The only thing that would distinguish the American from the P5 conferences at that point, other than the diminishing differences in viewership and revenue income would be NCAA autonomy and AQ status, both of which could be negotiated by the AAC's broadcasting partner in 2032, in the same way that "A5" status was initially negotiated.

....................................................................................................

Whether Commissioner Aresco has the gumption and savvy to lead the American to power conference status by replacing Connecticut with high quality FB and BB programs or not is not clear.

However, it does seem clear the American is already on the brink of attaining recognition as a [i]de facto FB power conference[/i], and that it is already regarded as one of the "major 7" conferences.

As the absence of UConn and its viewership segment becomes increasingly apparent to the conference and ESPN with each passing season, their willingness to consider adding a highly competitive FB only member and a high quality BB school may be likely to increase, along with an increasing recognition of the travel costs and travel time that can be saved by returning to a divisional framework.

Of one thing there should be little doubt: When Connecticut is replaced, the stature of the American will increase, measurably, and possibly by a quantum leap forward.

Money is power. PAC and ACC have a lot more of it than the AAC.
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RE: The P5 conferences may be unlikely to add more than one or two more non-P5 members
(10-26-2020 11:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 11:19 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:47 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:45 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(10-26-2020 10:31 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Expansion has nothing to do with success on the field. If that were the case some of the schools that have received the golden ticket would still be playing in a G5 conference. It’s not even media markets anymore. If there will be expansion it will be all about the number of eyeballs they would be able to stream due to the size of their fan base and brand strength (to potentially draw in some more casual streamers).

I think on field success has something to do with it. Winning brings those eyeballs if you can do enough of it.

This is all pretty unlikely, but if Cincinnati were to make the playoff this year, much less wins a game or the entire thing, that enhances their profile. If they do that multiple times over the next few years? Even more so. Cincinnati also has things like a long tradition and strong academics.

Like I said, it's an extreme longshot but if you quint really it's possible to see a path for those three schools because they have everything else, they just need the respect of commissioners/presidents and the eyeballs, which can be brought with winning.

As a Cincinnati alum and fan I hope you are right.

Big 10 aside, what conference do most Cincy fans want to be in?

Money aside, most UC fans do not want to be in the B10. There have been various polls and discussions and UC fans would rather be in the ACC. Culturally we have more in common and have history with a number of those schools (not counting the Tobacco Road crew who we do not have a history with).

However, the real answer is UC or any school outside the pearly gates would take whatever they could get to be included in the club to gain the cash flow, exposure and have a chance at better bowl slots and all the perks that come with it.

New Mexico State fan here, so I get it. We were probably the biggest loser of all in conference realignment so I get that anywhere “in the club” would be better. For NMSU the club would be an FBS conference.
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The PAC looking at Mt West schools as expansion candidates:

Tier I: Colorado St, Hawaii, Nevada
Tier II: Boise St, New Mexico, San Diego St, UNLV
Tier III: Fresno St, Utah St, Wyoming
Tier IV: San Jose St
N/A: Air Force - no interest by the academy
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I could TOTALLY get behind the PAC 12 grabbing Tier 1 AND someone from tier 2. If I had my druthers, I'd have AFA go Indy
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