(11-16-2020 02:48 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 08:58 AM)rileylives Wrote:  There were rumblings that Doc Holliday was close to retirement, but now I think with Grant Wells in the fold, he's at least bought himself the next three or four years.

I have never been on the fire Doc bandwagon.
I agree, the consistency has been nice, but every now and then we can put together a special season.

There are only 2 coaches that Ive said needs to go, that they weren't worth keeping and they were both mens basketball coaches. Those 2 coaches being Dwight Freeman (1990-1994, Record 46-65) and Ron Jirsa (2003-2007, Record 43-74).

Ive never been on the fire Doc train. It may be from me being a Steelers fan and in my almost 49 years they have had 3 coaches: Chuck Noll (1969-1991), Bill Cowher (1992-2006) and Mike Tomblin (2007-present).

Doc is now 85-51 at Marshall and the 2nd winningest coach behind Bob Pruett (1996-2004, Record 94-23). Pruett didn't have to rebuild anything, he was handed a winning roster from Jim Donnan that had Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, Llowl Turner and Nate Pool on it. Doc had to build a roster from the ground up while still dealing with scholarshp reduction for another 2 years.

That’s a little revisionist. Doc took over a team that won a bowl in 2009 and was good enough to have a ranked wvu team all but beat, up 15 with six and change, and Rippon and Doc blew it. The scholarship issue wrapped up in 2007. Doc had a full roster and the ability to take full classes.

Docs biggest problem is that his 2011 recruiting class is still the best he has had here. That was a long time ago. It was the best not only because of the talent, but that was his only class without serious attrition.

(11-30-2020 03:29 PM)banker Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 02:48 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 08:58 AM)rileylives Wrote:  There were rumblings that Doc Holliday was close to retirement, but now I think with Grant Wells in the fold, he's at least bought himself the next three or four years.

I have never been on the fire Doc bandwagon.
I agree, the consistency has been nice, but every now and then we can put together a special season.

There are only 2 coaches that Ive said needs to go, that they weren't worth keeping and they were both mens basketball coaches. Those 2 coaches being Dwight Freeman (1990-1994, Record 46-65) and Ron Jirsa (2003-2007, Record 43-74).

Ive never been on the fire Doc train. It may be from me being a Steelers fan and in my almost 49 years they have had 3 coaches: Chuck Noll (1969-1991), Bill Cowher (1992-2006) and Mike Tomblin (2007-present).

Doc is now 85-51 at Marshall and the 2nd winningest coach behind Bob Pruett (1996-2004, Record 94-23). Pruett didn't have to rebuild anything, he was handed a winning roster from Jim Donnan that had Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, Llowl Turner and Nate Pool on it. Doc had to build a roster from the ground up while still dealing with scholarshp reduction for another 2 years.

That’s a little revisionist. Doc took over a team that won a bowl in 2009 and was good enough to have a ranked wvu team all but beat, up 15 with six and change, and Rippon and Doc blew it. The scholarship issue wrapped up in 2007. Doc had a full roster and the ability to take full classes.

Docs biggest problem is that his 2011 recruiting class is still the best he has had here. That was a long time ago. It was the best not only because of the talent, but that was his only class without serious attrition.

Recruiting is WAY, WAY overblown.

This 2020 team may not be as good as that 2014 team, but the way the 2020 team is built, it's much more likely to travel well.

This 2020 team also seems to have great work ethic and intangibles, something most Doc teams with "top recruits" haven't been.

Give me the team with "want it" players over a team of four star recruits every day.

Power running game and top D > Electric O in most cases.

(11-30-2020 03:29 PM)banker Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 02:48 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 08:58 AM)rileylives Wrote:  There were rumblings that Doc Holliday was close to retirement, but now I think with Grant Wells in the fold, he's at least bought himself the next three or four years.

I have never been on the fire Doc bandwagon.
I agree, the consistency has been nice, but every now and then we can put together a special season.

There are only 2 coaches that Ive said needs to go, that they weren't worth keeping and they were both mens basketball coaches. Those 2 coaches being Dwight Freeman (1990-1994, Record 46-65) and Ron Jirsa (2003-2007, Record 43-74).

Ive never been on the fire Doc train. It may be from me being a Steelers fan and in my almost 49 years they have had 3 coaches: Chuck Noll (1969-1991), Bill Cowher (1992-2006) and Mike Tomblin (2007-present).

Doc is now 85-51 at Marshall and the 2nd winningest coach behind Bob Pruett (1996-2004, Record 94-23). Pruett didn't have to rebuild anything, he was handed a winning roster from Jim Donnan that had Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, Llowl Turner and Nate Pool on it. Doc had to build a roster from the ground up while still dealing with scholarshp reduction for another 2 years.

That’s a little revisionist. Doc took over a team that won a bowl in 2009 and was good enough to have a ranked wvu team all but beat, up 15 with six and change, and Rippon and Doc blew it. The scholarship issue wrapped up in 2007. Doc had a full roster and the ability to take full classes.

Docs biggest problem is that his 2011 recruiting class is still the best he has had here. That was a long time ago. It was the best not only because of the talent, but that was his only class without serious attrition.

The cupboard wasn’t completely bare when Doc arrived, but it was pretty bad. Bobby Pruett was a heck of an in game coach but his recruiting and talent started to drop off towards the end of his career. Jim Donnan is the best coach to ever come through Marshall in my opinion. Those 96-99 teams were built by him, and BP was a really good coach in his own right so it was like the perfect storm. Not to mention landing the best WR of all time helps too.

I hope Doc stays 2-3 more years. I wouldn’t have said that a year ago. For whatever reason it’s like he is letting Cramsey and Lambert run their units how they see fit and it’s working out nicely. He is staying out of the way which is something he hasn’t done in the past. I’d like to see this same team in a normal season and see what they can accomplish. I saw extend him 2 years and then see where we are at that point.

(11-30-2020 04:00 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  

(11-30-2020 03:29 PM)banker Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 02:48 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 08:58 AM)rileylives Wrote:  There were rumblings that Doc Holliday was close to retirement, but now I think with Grant Wells in the fold, he's at least bought himself the next three or four years.

I have never been on the fire Doc bandwagon.
I agree, the consistency has been nice, but every now and then we can put together a special season.

There are only 2 coaches that Ive said needs to go, that they weren't worth keeping and they were both mens basketball coaches. Those 2 coaches being Dwight Freeman (1990-1994, Record 46-65) and Ron Jirsa (2003-2007, Record 43-74).

Ive never been on the fire Doc train. It may be from me being a Steelers fan and in my almost 49 years they have had 3 coaches: Chuck Noll (1969-1991), Bill Cowher (1992-2006) and Mike Tomblin (2007-present).

Doc is now 85-51 at Marshall and the 2nd winningest coach behind Bob Pruett (1996-2004, Record 94-23). Pruett didn't have to rebuild anything, he was handed a winning roster from Jim Donnan that had Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, Llowl Turner and Nate Pool on it. Doc had to build a roster from the ground up while still dealing with scholarshp reduction for another 2 years.

That’s a little revisionist. Doc took over a team that won a bowl in 2009 and was good enough to have a ranked wvu team all but beat, up 15 with six and change, and Rippon and Doc blew it. The scholarship issue wrapped up in 2007. Doc had a full roster and the ability to take full classes.

Docs biggest problem is that his 2011 recruiting class is still the best he has had here. That was a long time ago. It was the best not only because of the talent, but that was his only class without serious attrition.

The cupboard wasn’t completely bare when Doc arrived, but it was pretty bad. Bobby Pruett was a heck of an in game coach but his recruiting and talent started to drop off towards the end of his career. Jim Donnan is the best coach to ever come through Marshall in my opinion. Those 96-99 teams were built by him, and BP was a really good coach in his own right so it was like the perfect storm. Not to mention landing the best WR of all time helps too.

I hope Doc stays 2-3 more years. I wouldn’t have said that a year ago. For whatever reason it’s like he is letting Cramsey and Lambert run their units how they see fit and it’s working out nicely. He is staying out of the way which is something he hasn’t done in the past. I’d like to see this same team in a normal season and see what they can accomplish. I saw extend him 2 years and then see where we are at that point.

We also now have a qb that can actually complete passes to open receivers...and even ones that aren’t...lol