So for several years we have seen marshall fans wanting Holliday gone. What is the general sentiment now? Marshall has rarely been truly horrid under him it seems and now ranked #15. Doesn’t seem so bad as an outsider looking in.
There were rumblings that Doc Holliday was close to retirement, but now I think with Grant Wells in the fold, he's at least bought himself the next three or four years.
I have never been on the fire Doc bandwagon.
I agree, the consistency has been nice, but every now and then we can put together a special season.
(11-15-2020 04:02 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Definitely need Cincy loss to get the NY6 Bid. There are already 3 one loss P5s ahead of Cincy there is no way Cincy gets a playoff bid.
They play UCF in Orlando next week. I can't root for UCF nor will I root for Cincy. Guess I'll do what I used to do when WVU played The Real Miami and root for the sink hole.
Appy needs to take care of Coastal also.
For the Egg Bowl, Southern Miss fans cheer for the meteor strike.
I think where Marshall gets into trouble, is if a one loss Tulsa and a undefeated Cincinnati make it to the American championship, and if Tulsa wins, the voters might put a one loss Tulsa in over Marshall.
Probably too little too late, but that's why I've always said scheduling BYU would have been clutch.
(11-16-2020 08:03 AM)Niner National Wrote: So for several years we have seen marshall fans wanting Holliday gone. What is the general sentiment now? Marshall has rarely been truly horrid under him it seems and now ranked #15. Doesn’t seem so bad as an outsider looking in.
Season isn’t over yet. This isn’t the first time we have been the apparent best team in the east and those other times have choked out and not made the championship game.
The rub with Doc is not that we aren’t good. It’s his innate ability to have the division virtually locked up only to lose a game he shouldn’t. Charlotte presents that opportunity for him again this year. If we lose that game then we are once again sitting around hoping someone else can do what we couldn’t.
Last year all he had to do was as beat Charlotte or Middle, games that we were favored to win.
We have more conference wins than any other team in the conference since realignment but haven’t played for a championship in six years. That doesn’t cut it. So that still has to change for me to want him to stay around.
(11-16-2020 08:03 AM)Niner National Wrote: So for several years we have seen marshall fans wanting Holliday gone. What is the general sentiment now? Marshall has rarely been truly horrid under him it seems and now ranked #15. Doesn’t seem so bad as an outsider looking in.
Season isn’t over yet. This isn’t the first time we have been the apparent best team in the east and those other times have choked out and not made the championship game.
The rub with Doc is not that we aren’t good. It’s his innate ability to have the division virtually locked up only to lose a game he shouldn’t. Charlotte presents that opportunity for him again this year. If we lose that game then we are once again sitting around hoping someone else can do what we couldn’t.
Last year all he had to do was as beat Charlotte or Middle, games that we were favored to win.
We have more conference wins than any other team in the conference since realignment but haven’t played for a championship in six years. That doesn’t cut it. So that still has to change for me to want him to stay around.
(11-16-2020 08:03 AM)Niner National Wrote: So for several years we have seen marshall fans wanting Holliday gone. What is the general sentiment now? Marshall has rarely been truly horrid under him it seems and now ranked #15. Doesn’t seem so bad as an outsider looking in.
Season isn’t over yet. This isn’t the first time we have been the apparent best team in the east and those other times have choked out and not made the championship game.
The rub with Doc is not that we aren’t good. It’s his innate ability to have the division virtually locked up only to lose a game he shouldn’t. Charlotte presents that opportunity for him again this year. If we lose that game then we are once again sitting around hoping someone else can do what we couldn’t.
Last year all he had to do was as beat Charlotte or Middle, games that we were favored to win.
We have more conference wins than any other team in the conference since realignment but haven’t played for a championship in six years. That doesn’t cut it. So that still has to change for me to want him to stay around.
Lack of killer instinct?
Can’t explain it. Lack of focus, poor game planning due to overconfidence, flat out brain f*rt, who knows. We have this happen every year with Doc. Even in 2014 we had the WFT game plan against WKU. Came out throwing all over when we had the best rush offense against a team with a great offense but a bad run defense. Run the ball, keep them off the field. In 2013 we went to the championship game but played like azz then turn around and beat Maryland in a bowl.
Every year it has happened. I don’t get mad losing to teams with better talent or that are just match up nightmares, but we have a game or two every year where it just looks like we forgot how to play football.
If CCU wins out they have the better resume, but it's CFB which usually goes against common perception in late November. App will get it their best, but the line looks low if you've looking to make some cash.
(11-16-2020 08:58 AM)rileylives Wrote: There were rumblings that Doc Holliday was close to retirement, but now I think with Grant Wells in the fold, he's at least bought himself the next three or four years.
I have never been on the fire Doc bandwagon.
I agree, the consistency has been nice, but every now and then we can put together a special season.
There are only 2 coaches that Ive said needs to go, that they weren't worth keeping and they were both mens basketball coaches. Those 2 coaches being Dwight Freeman (1990-1994, Record 46-65) and Ron Jirsa (2003-2007, Record 43-74).
Ive never been on the fire Doc train. It may be from me being a Steelers fan and in my almost 49 years they have had 3 coaches: Chuck Noll (1969-1991), Bill Cowher (1992-2006) and Mike Tomblin (2007-present).
Doc is now 85-51 at Marshall and the 2nd winningest coach behind Bob Pruett (1996-2004, Record 94-23). Pruett didn't have to rebuild anything, he was handed a winning roster from Jim Donnan that had Chad Pennington, Doug Chapman, Llowl Turner and Nate Pool on it. Doc had to build a roster from the ground up while still dealing with scholarshp reduction for another 2 years.
Coaches poll Marshall drops one spot to #16 Coastal moves up one to #17. Three P5s moved ahead of Marshall Northwestern up 7 spots to #13 OU up 3 spots to #14 and ISU up one to #15.
AP Marshall Drops 2 spots to #17 with Coastal moving up to #16 and Three P5s moving ahead of Marshall, Northwestern +8 to #11, OU + 4 to #14 and ISU +2 to #15.
(This post was last modified: 11-22-2020 04:41 PM by THE NC Herd Fan.)
Iowa State, who lost 31-14 at home to Louisiana... ugh.
Northwestern, I’m fine with. But not 2-loss ISU and 2-loss Oklahoma. Just ignoring their head to head game (ISU beat OU)... and no one in the Big 12 is very good this season. Absolutely no one.
ULL should be above ISU and OU, too.
I think Marshall is better than Coastal but there’s no direct metric to prove that (or vice versa).
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Marshall is #15 in the AP and Coaches Poll!
