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If this happens, does the Big West have to kick out a Cal State school?

(10-21-2020 12:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  If this happens, does the Big West have to kick out a Cal State school?

It just means that the sacred UC-Cal St balance no longer has to be maintained.

This could have interesting implications if say, Sacramento St wanted to move to a CA based league.

A Big West-WAC fb conference could be fun.

Quote:Jones and her peers within the department, however, hope to convince UC Riverside's power brokers to consider an alternative that would involve a combination of increased student fees and expanding the department to encompass the school's recreational programs.

Quote:According to USA Today, UC Riverside is the most subsidized Division I program in the country (the list includes 227 programs) with more than 90% of its $23.2 million in annual revenue coming from student fees ($2.3 million) and institutional support ($18.7 million).

The AD's plan does not seem to compute.

It’d be interesting to see how the future would unfold. I would like to see Sacramento St in the Big West. I thought the addition of Cal St Bakersfield was a mistake and now the balance may be thrown off.

Obviously it's time for UC Santa Cruz to move up by the St. Thomas precedent! /s

(10-21-2020 01:14 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  Obviously it's time for UC Santa Cruz to move up by the St. Thomas precedent! /s

Santa Cruz doesn’t want to spend a dime on their athletics program though.

And who knows about the baby of the family UC Merced

(10-21-2020 12:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  If this happens, does the Big West have to kick out a Cal State school?

No it means a UC gets added to restore balance.

So exhausted of the politics in the Big West between Cal and Cal State. I would hope that with no UC schools ready to jump up in the forseeable future (I doubt Merced pushes so hard being so new), if UCR drops, there’s room for a non-Cali school, but, I won’t get my hopes up. Or, heck, dip back into the private school pool.

But, what I’m not excited about is a program like UCR dogging it from here on out. At the very least, if the budget is rough, there isn’t much room to improve programs, I’d suspect.

Does the Big West have any direction whatsoever, or is it just an in-state version of the WAC?

(10-21-2020 03:06 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Does the Big West have any direction whatsoever, or is it just an in-state version of the WAC?

Its direction is to be a low-cost, one bid league with very limited travel by clustering only in one state (and Hawaii, which pays travel subsidies).

There are only two non-California schools that make sense for them under the present conditions: Denver and Seattle. Both easily accessible by Big West and as private schools, they don't tip the UC-CSU balance.

(10-21-2020 01:14 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  Obviously it's time for UC Santa Cruz to move up by the St. Thomas precedent! /s

UC Santa Cruz is smart to stay in D-III. It's located in a town of 65,000 people and a county of fewer than 300,000, and the vast majority of alumni live nowhere near Santa Cruz. It's a well-regarded university with absolutely no need to burn $20 million/year on D-I athletics in the vain hope of attracting more students, because the university is in high enough demand as it is.

Schools in that kind of demographic situation are smart to be D-III with a $2.5 million athletic budget, instead of being D-I with an athletic budget of $20 million and no more fan/booster/alumni support than they would have in D-III.

(10-21-2020 03:06 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Does the Big West have any direction whatsoever, or is it just an in-state version of the WAC?

It's a solid, stable group of peer schools that hasn't done much lately in hoops but is nationally competitive with the P5 in baseball and niche sports that are popular in California/Hawaii like men's and women's volleyball, men's soccer, beach volleyball and water polo (UH finished with top 5 national rankings in three of those sports last season). UC Riverside has struggled since joining the conference due to minimal fan support and budgetary challenges but I think the new schools added this year have a lot of promise. In particular I think UC San Diego is making all the right moves and in the long run will make some noise on the national scene.

(10-21-2020 04:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 03:06 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Does the Big West have any direction whatsoever, or is it just an in-state version of the WAC?

It's a solid, stable group of peer schools that hasn't done much lately in hoops but is nationally competitive with the P5 in baseball and niche sports that are popular in California/Hawaii like men's and women's volleyball, beach volleyball and water polo. UC Riverside has struggled since joining the conference due to minimal fan support and budgetary challenges but I think the new schools added this year have a lot of promise. In particular I think UC San Diego is making all the right moves and in the long run will make some noise on the national scene.

It has most recently seen its champion advance to the 2nd round of the NCAAs a couple times (UC Irvine in 2019, Hawaii in 2016). Two First Four wins by Cal Poly and UC Davis, and two 1st round wins this decade. It ain't much, but that's still four extra credits.

(10-21-2020 01:05 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It’d be interesting to see how the future would unfold. I would like to see Sacramento St in the Big West. I thought the addition of Cal St Bakersfield was a mistake and now the balance may be thrown off.

Football question and still at a fugly 11....

(10-21-2020 05:06 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 01:05 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It’d be interesting to see how the future would unfold. I would like to see Sacramento St in the Big West. I thought the addition of Cal St Bakersfield was a mistake and now the balance may be thrown off.

Football question and still at a fugly 11....

Football would likely be a Big Sky affiliate like UC Davis and Cal Poly.

11 allows for a 20-game round-robin. I don’t think 11 is terrible but I guess it depends on the other sports they offer.

(10-21-2020 05:33 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 05:06 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 01:05 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It’d be interesting to see how the future would unfold. I would like to see Sacramento St in the Big West. I thought the addition of Cal St Bakersfield was a mistake and now the balance may be thrown off.

Football question and still at a fugly 11....

Football would likely be a Big Sky affiliate like UC Davis and Cal Poly.

11 allows for a 20-game round-robin. I don’t think 11 is terrible but I guess it depends on the other sports they offer.

The Hornets sponsor most, if not all of the other sports the Big West sponsors. Beach volleyball and men's soccer are already in the conference as affiliates. Baseball resides in the WAC.

There's also an unwritten gentleman's agreement between the Big West and Big Sky; the Big Sky accepted Davis and Cal Poly as fb-onlies and in return Sac State was left alone. There's no reason to end it.

(10-21-2020 05:55 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 05:33 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 05:06 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 01:05 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It’d be interesting to see how the future would unfold. I would like to see Sacramento St in the Big West. I thought the addition of Cal St Bakersfield was a mistake and now the balance may be thrown off.

Football question and still at a fugly 11....

Football would likely be a Big Sky affiliate like UC Davis and Cal Poly.

11 allows for a 20-game round-robin. I don’t think 11 is terrible but I guess it depends on the other sports they offer.

The Hornets sponsor most, if not all of the other sports the Big West sponsors. Beach volleyball and men's soccer are already in the conference as affiliates. Baseball resides in the WAC.

There's also an unwritten gentleman's agreement between the Big West and Big Sky; the Big Sky accepted Davis and Cal Poly as fb-onlies and in return Sac State was left alone. There's no reason to end it.

I thought the Big West didn't want Sac State because of their poor basketball facilities.

(10-21-2020 06:00 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 05:55 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 05:33 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 05:06 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(10-21-2020 01:05 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It’d be interesting to see how the future would unfold. I would like to see Sacramento St in the Big West. I thought the addition of Cal St Bakersfield was a mistake and now the balance may be thrown off.

Football question and still at a fugly 11....

Football would likely be a Big Sky affiliate like UC Davis and Cal Poly.

11 allows for a 20-game round-robin. I don’t think 11 is terrible but I guess it depends on the other sports they offer.

The Hornets sponsor most, if not all of the other sports the Big West sponsors. Beach volleyball and men's soccer are already in the conference as affiliates. Baseball resides in the WAC.

There's also an unwritten gentleman's agreement between the Big West and Big Sky; the Big Sky accepted Davis and Cal Poly as fb-onlies and in return Sac State was left alone. There's no reason to end it.

I thought the Big West didn't want Sac State because of their poor basketball facilities.

That too. Even CSUN's 2,500-seat Matadome is spacious compared to Sac State's 1,000-seat Nest.

Their operating deficit is 90%?

Stick a fork in it.