(10-20-2020 04:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (10-20-2020 03:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote: While I 100% agree with Banker , some of you are putting this totally on those willing to vote democrat , without looking at the why. Maybe, just maybe, if more of the Republican party had came around earlier and not fought President Trump. It wouldnt have been this bad.
I have no doubt a lot of these would be going on but not all of it. A ton of Republicans only came around when the economy started taking off. You can dismiss that all you want but its true. Another fact, those in both houses, controlled by republicans, only started coming around when they saw the record setting number of voting Republicans backing this President.
By then those in leadership roles had wasted a whole year of getting anything done. But that wasnt even the reason those that only look at ABC, CBS, NBC for their news are Democrats. Till Trump (in my voting lifetime 1978) the Republican party had showed no compassion in the way they ran the country or voted.
This f'ing war on drugs played a huge role in taking fathers out of the family. While I did not read or post on this board before Trump (year 1.5) I would bet a lot of you that voted Republican was OK with lock them up for 15 or 20 years just for selling a small amount of drugs.
If this Republican party had shown its face in the last 20 to 25 years those older people today that only watch the network news. Might not be so trusting in believing what they are hearing. It's obvious a large part of the 350 million people in this country is not doing as good as most Republicans. While it's not the voting public/republicans responsible. Its very clear a lot of working America is not happy with either party.
Its why we have President Trump....a lot of working class voters switched in these battle ground states from democrat to vote for Trump. The wasnt voting republican, they voted Trump. The Republican party hadnt shown anything over the past 20 to 25 years they cared about those people. The gap between the haves and have nots had grown larger than it had in most people born in the 50 up have ever seen. Up till Trump the republican party had not shown any compassion to this large group of Americans. Not I'm not talking those wanting free things. That only makes up a very small part of the voting public.
Both parties had abandoned the working class and its very clear or Donald Trump would not be president, today.
But that doesnt explain what Banker is seeing...that has to do with their hate (the press) for President Trump. I understand why Donald Trump had to attack the press while he was running and I also understand it today and the last 3.8 years. But when you do that those people and especially those that own those companies and makes millions of dollars each year off of those companies...
they going to fight back. Same with the swamp, President Trump is a threat to their livelihood.
And that leads to why 50% of the people believe what they tell them to believe. My guess only up to 20 to 25% buy it hook line and sinker. The rest dont trust the republican party so they buy into it. Some of you can lump everyone of those into the same group...lazy, want something for nothing. I've seen that on this board from some.
That's not the case at all because a lot of those people is the very reason President Trump has a chance in the upcoming election. No other person running as a Republican would stand any chance with the way the might of the pen has tried to sway this election.
So for the first time in my voting lifetime (1978) I've seen a Republican party start to come to the center. Still got a lot of work to get there and they wasted the first part of President Trumps term by fighting it. But a lot of people in their 60s that spent their working life struggling to make it....
seen that bridge grow between the haves and have nots and its hard to change a lot of those minds at this point. So they believe the newtwork news. We are not talking about people that only wanted free free free. We are not talking people working their first job and wanting $15 an hour. We are talking about people that struggled while working tjeir 40 hours a week...
their whole life and they blame the republican party more than the democrats. They do this because at the very least democrats (up till 15 years ago) talked about their struggles. The republican party was too afraid to show any compassion because if they did,,,
they feared they wouldnt be reelected. President Trump has shown them different, that you can address the problems that have split this country. Bring back good paying jobs that a man and woman can raise a family on. Stop locking what is mainly users up for 15 to 20 years. Thats just the tip it needs to go farther than that...
then you might be able to keep more fathers in the home. But the republicans are still not to that center...it only looks that way because the democrats have moved so far left. That appeals to those younger people that dont have anything and to those odd balls (or what the world once called them) and to those wanting free free free!. The other 35% (of the 50% of Americans voting democrat) of voting democrats are those people that vote party but a larger % of those are the ones the republicans have never acknowledged, working Americans...
and they believe every word the CBS, NBC and ABC feeds them.
To be fair---Trump wasnt embraced by some of the Republicans because he was an outsider and because they feared the Russia Russia Russia crap was true. Once it became more and more clear the Russia Russia Russia stuff was false--and his economic policies were gaining traction---they came along. Still-some never really did.
Frankly---I dont know how Republican "Never Trumpers" can command any respect at any Republican event again. Their words should be drowned out with laughter and cat calls. They are frauds.
I originally voted for Trump simply because I did not want Hillary appointing a new Supreme Court justice--something "Never Trumper's" didnt care about apparently. I figured Trump, even if flawed---at worst, was a 4 year error. Letting Hillary pick that justice would be a mistake that we'd be paying for the next 25 years or more. It ended up---Conservatives got THREE new conservative textual justices---a near reshaping of the court. Had the "Never Trumpers" won the day----they would have saddled us with a hard left "Hillary Court" for the next generation. For supporting such a massive error in judgement, for little more reason than ego---no "Never Trumper" should ever be listened to ever again by conservative voters. They have proven they do not care about the party or the advancement of its ideas.
Supreme Court justice is a lot of the reason Republicans voted for Trump. For those working democrats and even working class Republican the Supreme Court or who's sitting on it is not the most important thing in their life. I'm not talking about people who are middle class but those struggling to "make it". Those people make up a huge part of America...its growing and been grown for a few decades.
I was one of the lucky ones that knew what I wanted out of life very early on (16) and went out and got it. But 90% of those I grew up with wasnt that lucky. I grew up dirt poor. Poor of the poorest in the city I was born in. Most of my friends are still from that time. They still struggle and so do most of my family.
Not one of them struggling give a shirt about the Supreme Court. Those sky screamers we see and the oddballs the media shows. Most of those wouldn't know what the Supreme Court is for.
We are at this point because BOTH parties failed America....equally. Both parties only care about a very few Americans. Its those with the big checkbooks and themselves. Very very few of those we elect are there for the American people. Most of those forget that in their 2nd or 3rd term.
Its why I can respect AOC and a few like her...even if I 100% disagree with 99% she stands for and wants from this country. At the very least she is going after what she was elected on. Even disagreeing with her party. I hope she fails but I can respect standing by your word. Same for President Trump, other than I agree with him about 85% of the time on policy and his vision for American....
a lot of Republicans and not just Never Trump Republican didnt get behind the President till it was too late. A lot of those Elected Republicans had their eyes on the same Russian Doc's that been coming out over the last month...early on.
Anyone that doesnt see there is major change needed in this country...are either blind or in the group I was talking about earlier. "just after free things, too lazy to work". There's a very large part of American that worked harder in their lifetime than a lot of in that group ever did. No they were not paid well for their services.
Its why "working Americans" mostly voted democrat. Till 15 years or so the democrat started forgetting about them. The republicans never showed they cared about this group...
Till President Trump. Its why he still has a fighting chance to get reelected even with all the bull**** going on in the media. Change is coming and you either adjust and accept the parts you dont like or disagree on. Or you live the rest of your life (not you but everyone) with hate.
You fight, with your vote, for your constitutional rights and hope they dont get trampled on. But we all need to accept change is needed and its going to happen on what is or isnt freedom for all. The biggest is the American worker has been shitted on for the last 40+ years...
by both parties. There is the real enemy of this country