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If we were to build G5 conferences on the basis of geography, AAC would have to be involved.
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(10-29-2020 06:35 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  If we were to build G5 conferences on the basis of geography, AAC would have to be involved.

Not happening, they aren't hurting for money like the rest of the G5 is. No reason for them to do a thing unless they want to backfill if the B12 raids a couple.
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FAU would definitely be in the conversation of a new or reshuffled league. I don't believe it would be the pair of both FAU and FIU.

There's just not enough room to justify FIU at this point.
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(10-29-2020 07:37 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(10-29-2020 06:35 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  If we were to build G5 conferences on the basis of geography, AAC would have to be involved.

Not happening, they aren't hurting for money like the rest of the G5 is. No reason for them to do a thing unless they want to backfill if the B12 raids a couple.

EVERYONE is hurting right now, but agree with your larger point. Cost savings from a geographical friendly league would not outweigh revenue loss from the current configuration. The AAC isn't likely to do anything until: the Big 12 acts/reacts, the champ game waiver expires or the tv deal expires (2032).
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There is no incentive for an American school to leave the American.

Unless it's for a Big 12 call up. If the Big 12 wanted to, I could easily see either UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis or Houston getting that call up.

However, I do not see a Tulsa or East Carolina dropping down, they really lucked into getting into the American in my opinion.
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(10-29-2020 07:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  FAU would definitely be in the conversation of a new or reshuffled league. I don't believe it would be the pair of both FAU and FIU.

There's just not enough room to justify FIU at this point.

I think an enrollment of 55,000 students would point to the opposite. That is all the room you will ever need.

I'll say more, this justifies FIU far more than UAB or USM.
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(10-29-2020 10:04 AM)rileylives Wrote:  There is no incentive for an American school to leave the American.

Unless it's for a Big 12 call up. If the Big 12 wanted to, I could easily see either UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis or Houston getting that call up.

However, I do not see a Tulsa or East Carolina dropping down, they really lucked into getting into the American in my opinion.

I'm not expecting any call ups, but it's hard to predict anything right now. Not sure what tv contracts will look like if overall viewers don't come back to pre covid levels. Networks are hurting as well. Read an article the other day about Sinclair restructuring.
Quote: NextTV shared an excerpt from a note by Wells Fargo Securities media analyst Steven Cahall, saying “We think the RSNs have been Sinclair’s Achilles heel as it’s a distraction for investors, an asset in decline and a potential drain on retrans to support RSN carriage fees. While there’s no equity value in Diamond these factors also mean less equity value in TV. Ultimately we view a separation of the RSNs as the best case scenario for Sinclair as it removes a big overhang that’s needed management’s attention since the get go.”
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(10-29-2020 10:04 AM)rileylives Wrote:  There is no incentive for an American school to leave the American.

Unless it's for a Big 12 call up. If the Big 12 wanted to, I could easily see either UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis or Houston getting that call up.

However, I do not see a Tulsa or East Carolina dropping down, they really lucked into getting into the American in my opinion.

The problem is geography. We have a collection of Gulf Coast schools clamoring for a league of their own + TN/VA/WV, as well as the Texas/SW schools. If these trends came to fruition, Florida schools are left on an island. The bridge of the 2 GA schools and/or JMU is not enough.
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(10-29-2020 10:39 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(10-29-2020 07:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  FAU would definitely be in the conversation of a new or reshuffled league. I don't believe it would be the pair of both FAU and FIU.

There's just not enough room to justify FIU at this point.

I think an enrollment of 55,000 students would point to the opposite. That is all the room you will ever need.

I'll say more, this justifies FIU far more than UAB or USM.

That level of student enrollment was there when FIU joined CUSA, and yet student engagement at FIU for its two biggest sports teeters on the border of attendance ineligibility. So to me, seeing that figure does not reflect the level of engagement FIU brings to the table.

They have had almost 8 years to show any kind of life in this conference, and they have done nothing.

The very few cordial FIU fans on this board would even agree, there is something off.

With a student population of over 50,000, you would expect there would be at minimum 20,000 to 30,000 in attendance on game day, and FIU is lucky to get maybe a quarter of that.

Student population does not correlate to fan engagement. Marshall has one of the lowest public University student attendance populations in the country, yet we consistently average 20,000 to 30,000 in our 38,000 seat stadium. In fact, we have proven we can sell out our near 40,000 seats stadium on many occasions. FIU can't even get a sellout playing Miami.
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(10-29-2020 11:29 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(10-29-2020 10:39 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(10-29-2020 07:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  FAU would definitely be in the conversation of a new or reshuffled league. I don't believe it would be the pair of both FAU and FIU.

There's just not enough room to justify FIU at this point.

I think an enrollment of 55,000 students would point to the opposite. That is all the room you will ever need.

I'll say more, this justifies FIU far more than UAB or USM.

That level of student enrollment was there when FIU joined CUSA, and yet student engagement at FIU for its two biggest sports teeters on the border of attendance ineligibility. So to me, seeing that figure does not reflect the level of engagement FIU brings to the table.

They have had almost 8 years to show any kind of life in this conference, and they have done nothing.

The very few cordial FIU fans on this board would even agree, there is something off.

With a student population of over 50,000, you would expect there would be at minimum 20,000 to 30,000 in attendance on game day, and FIU is lucky to get maybe a quarter of that.

Student population does not correlate to fan engagement. Marshall has one of the lowest public University student attendance populations in the country, yet we consistently average 20,000 to 30,000 in our 38,000 seat stadium. In fact, we have proven we can sell out our near 40,000 seats stadium on many occasions. FIU can't even get a sellout playing Miami.

It has nothing to do with attendance. Usually I just ignore this argument, because it is worth exactly nothing. And athletic success is cyclical. USM posters love to talk about the days of yore, conveniently forgetting that they ended around 2012.

We, at FAU, can not sell out our 30K stadium, by the way. Such is the deal with commuter schools. Student body is just not on campus.
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For most programs, students make up 5-15% of attendance. Not filing a stadium has little to do with students and more to do with community connection.
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Banker, I'm only hammering home my point, as I have heard that FIU student enrollment fact brought up many times when referencing FIU.
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(10-29-2020 10:39 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(10-29-2020 07:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  FAU would definitely be in the conversation of a new or reshuffled league. I don't believe it would be the pair of both FAU and FIU.

There's just not enough room to justify FIU at this point.

I think an enrollment of 55,000 students would point to the opposite. That is all the room you will ever need.

I'll say more, this justifies FIU far more than UAB or USM.

FIU has not fulfilled any of their obligations, like finish the dang stadium, and that was a talking point when they were invited, that the stadium gets done. They have by far the worst stadium in the league and one of the worst in the country. They don't have to expand it, but it needs to be brought up to D1 standards, proper press suites etc. They have not done anything to their arena except put a new floor down. With an enrollment like they have, it appears that athletics is an afterthought.

FAU built a stadium the right way, no there isn't good attendance, but at least the school invested properly. You have more upside by doing that. Now the arena, well a new one is probably required but again, nice football stadium and investment in the program. That matters a lot.

FIU can not compare currently to most schools in the conference. Almost every school has invested in their programs with facility improvements, new facilities etc. You can't grow a program by not doing what it takes to progress.
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(10-30-2020 11:01 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(10-29-2020 10:39 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(10-29-2020 07:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  FAU would definitely be in the conversation of a new or reshuffled league. I don't believe it would be the pair of both FAU and FIU.

There's just not enough room to justify FIU at this point.

I think an enrollment of 55,000 students would point to the opposite. That is all the room you will ever need.

I'll say more, this justifies FIU far more than UAB or USM.

FIU has not fulfilled any of their obligations, like finish the dang stadium, and that was a talking point when they were invited, that the stadium gets done. They have by far the worst stadium in the league and one of the worst in the country. They don't have to expand it, but it needs to be brought up to D1 standards, proper press suites etc. They have not done anything to their arena except put a new floor down. With an enrollment like they have, it appears that athletics is an afterthought.

FAU built a stadium the right way, no there isn't good attendance, but at least the school invested properly. You have more upside by doing that. Now the arena, well a new one is probably required but again, nice football stadium and investment in the program. That matters a lot.

FIU can not compare currently to most schools in the conference. Almost every school has invested in their programs with facility improvements, new facilities etc. You can't grow a program by not doing what it takes to progress.

The athletic facility we just completed this year is on par with most P5 schools and most likely the best in CUSA.

We desperately need a new arena and it’s on the list but the the covid crap I’m sure has stalled everything.

I don’t think fiu brings anything to the table at this point. Enrollment means absolutely nothing when nobody cares. Yes, FAU has attendance issues but fiu is just a joke.
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FIU has never eclipsed 20K at home since joining CUSA, thats sad. Their biggest crowd was 2016 vs UCF with 18,524 people (How many of those belonged to UCF, seriously). They hosted Indiana and Maryland in 2016 and drew 16,089 for Indiana and 17,084 for Maryland. They also hosted Pittsburgh and Louisville in 2014 and had 10,127 for Pittsburgh and 10,824 for Louisville.

Edit: They have hosted Indiana twice. Again in 2018 and drew 17,082. So with 5 games against P5 schools at home, they can't even drag 20K people to watch.

Who cares if their enrollment is 55K, I doubt even 10% of that 55K has ever been to a game. The admin of FIU may have tried to look like they were trying to improve FIU when hiring Butch Davis. But the facilities at FIU are more in line with a low level IAA school than a IA school. Not just football but almost all the facilities. I would have rather them hire a no name and put money into facilities.
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