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The changing fortunes of the Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3 FB and BB programs
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This is a summary of the AAC first, second, and third tier FB schools, based on their records over the past few years. The purpose is to begin charting the trends, over time, among the conference's FB and MBB programs.

NOTE: 2020 records are not included in this summary.

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AAC Tier 1 (9+ FB wins, NCAA tournament bids):

FB: Cincinnati, Memphis, & UCF

Navy(in 2015, 2016 & 2019), SMU (2019/20), Houston (2015/16), USF (2016/17), Tulsa (2016), & Temple (2015/16) had Tier 1 teams.


2020, to date: Cincinnati, SMU, Memphis, UCF (?)


BB: Cincinnati, Houston, & WSU

Memphis (2019-20), Temple (in 2015-16 & 2018-19), SMU (2014-17), Tulsa (2015-16), & UCF (2018-19) had Tier 1 teams.

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AAC Tier 2:

FB: Temple (2017-19), Houston (2017/18), SMU (2016-18), Tulane (2018/19), Navy (2017), USF (2016/17)

2020, to date: Tulsa, Navy, Houston (?), UCF (?)

BB: SMU, Tulsa, Memphis (2017-18), Temple (in 2016-18), UCF (2016-18), USF(2018-19)

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AAC Tier 3:

FB: Tulsa, ECU, USF (2019)
, Tulane (2015, 2016), & Houston (2019)

2020, to date: ECU (#112*), USF (#118*), Tulane (#81*), Temple (#85*)

* Massey Composite Rankings

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BB: ECU, USF, Tulane, SMU (2017-18), UCF (2014-16), & Temple (2019-20).

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Most consistent: Cincy, ECU, WSU, Tulane BB, Houston BB, UCF FB, Memphis FB,

Upward trend: SMU (FB & BB), UCF BB, Memphis BB, Tulane FB

Downward trend: Temple, USF FB, Houston FB, UConn

Variable trend: Tulsa, Navy
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The information above illustrates how the number of high quality teams and the overall stature of the conference could be improved by replacing UConn with a quality all-sports school (e.g., BYU) or quality FB and BB schools (e.g., Air Force & VCU).
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You know the Houston crowd is going to demand that they're tier one in football.
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(10-17-2020 07:50 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  You know the Houston crowd is going to demand that they're tier one in football.

Outside of being able to get ranked easier than they probably should what has UC done in football? When was the last time y’all weren’t embarrassed by OSU?
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RE: Are these the Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3 American Athletic Conference schools?
Well, you seem to have forgotten Navy's 11-2 (7-1) 2015 season.

And overall, I would say a "program" or school doesn't vacillate from one tier to another year by year - Navy wasn't fundamentally different between 3-10 2018 and 11-2 2019, just had a bad year one year (or we can call it two losing years out of seventeen).

And I don't get how you leap from musing about how schools tier to your conclusion. You need one of Tom Smykowski's mats.
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(10-17-2020 07:50 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  You know the Houston crowd is going to demand that they're tier one in football.

Their 10+ win teams in 2016 & 2017 are included in the note below Tier 1.
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(10-17-2020 08:00 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Well, you seem to have forgotten Navy's 11-2 (7-1) 2015 season.

Will add that to the Tier notes.
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(10-17-2020 07:59 AM)vcoog Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 07:50 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  You know the Houston crowd is going to demand that they're tier one in football.

Outside of being able to get ranked easier than they probably should what has UC done in football? When was the last time y’all weren’t embarrassed by OSU?

Lol most college football fans know Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State are on another level even for the so called P5 schools.

Goal 1: Win this conference and a NYD bowl
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This is a more complete, corrected version.

Thanks for pointing out the required corrections.

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AAC Tier 1 (9+ FB wins, NCAA tournament bids):

FB: Cincinnati, Memphis, & UCF

Navy(in 2015, 2016 & 2019), SMU (2019/20), Houston (2015/16), USF (2016/17), Tulsa (2016), & Temple (2015/16) had Tier 1 teams.


BB: Cincinnati, Houston, & WSU

Memphis (2019-20), Temple (in 2015-16 & 2018-19), SMU (2014-17), Tulsa (2015-16), & UCF (2018-19) had Tier 1 teams.

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AAC Tier 2:

FB: Temple (2017-19), Houston (2017/18), SMU (2016-18), Tulane (2018/19), Navy (2017/20), USF (2016/17)

BB: SMU, Tulsa, Memphis (2017-18), Temple (in 2016-18), UCF (2016-18), USF(2018-19)

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AAC Tier 3:

FB: Tulsa, ECU, USF (2019), Tulane (2015, 2016), & Houston (2019)

BB: ECU, USF, Tulane, SMU (2017-18), UCF (2014-16), & Temple (2019-20).

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Most consistent: Cincy, WSU, Tulane BB, Houston BB, UCF FB, Memphis FB, & ECU

Upward trend: SMU (FB & BB), UCF BB, Memphis BB, Tulane FB

Downward trend: Temple, USF FB, Houston FB, UConn

Variable trend: Tulsa & Navy
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(10-17-2020 07:59 AM)vcoog Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 07:50 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  You know the Houston crowd is going to demand that they're tier one in football.

Outside of being able to get ranked easier than they probably should what has UC done in football? When was the last time y’all weren’t embarrassed by OSU?

Oh, I don't know. Came within a second of the BCS championship game once. Been to Sugar and Orange bowls. Multiple BE titles. We've been around.

To answer your other question, we came within a last second dropped pass in the endzone of beating the 2002 national champions. You asked.
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(10-17-2020 07:35 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  .


This is a summary of the AAC first, second, and third tier FB schools, based on their records over the past few years. The purpose is to begin charting the trends, over time, among the conference's FB and MBB programs.

NOTE: 2020 records are not included in this summary.

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AAC Tier 1 (9+ FB wins, NCAA tournament bids):

FB: Cincinnati, Memphis, & UCF

Navy(in 2015, 2016 & 2019), SMU (2019/20), Houston (2015/16), USF (2016/17), Tulsa (2016), & Temple (2015/16) had Tier 1 teams.


BB: Cincinnati, Houston, & WSU

Memphis (2019-20), Temple (in 2015-16 & 2018-19), SMU (2014-17), Tulsa (2015-16), & UCF (2018-19) had Tier 1 teams.

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AAC Tier 2:

FB: Temple (2017-19), Houston (2017/18), SMU (2016-18), Tulane (2018/19), Navy (2017/20), USF (2016/17)

BB: SMU, Tulsa, Memphis (2017-18), Temple (in 2016-18), UCF (2016-18), USF(2018-19)

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AAC Tier 3:

FB: Tulsa, ECU, USF (2019), Tulane (2015, 2016), & Houston (2019)

BB: ECU, USF, Tulane, SMU (2017-18), UCF (2014-16), & Temple (2019-20).

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Most consistent: Cincy, WSU, Tulane BB, Houston BB, UCF FB, Memphis FB, & ECU

Upward trend: SMU (FB & BB), UCF BB, Memphis BB, Tulane FB

Downward trend: Temple, USF FB, Houston FB, UConn

Variable trend: Tulsa & Navy
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The information above illustrates how the number of high quality teams and the overall stature of the conference could be improved by replacing UConn with a quality all-sports school (e.g., BYU) or quality FB and BB schools (e.g., Air Force & VCU).
So made up tiers?

*popcorn*

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(10-17-2020 10:37 AM)panama Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 07:35 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  .


This is a summary of the AAC first, second, and third tier FB schools, based on their records over the past few years. The purpose is to begin charting the trends, over time, among the conference's FB and MBB programs.

NOTE: 2020 records are not included in this summary.

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AAC Tier 1 (9+ FB wins, NCAA tournament bids):

FB: Cincinnati, Memphis, & UCF

Navy(in 2015, 2016 & 2019), SMU (2019/20), Houston (2015/16), USF (2016/17), Tulsa (2016), & Temple (2015/16) had Tier 1 teams.


BB: Cincinnati, Houston, & WSU

Memphis (2019-20), Temple (in 2015-16 & 2018-19), SMU (2014-17), Tulsa (2015-16), & UCF (2018-19) had Tier 1 teams.

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AAC Tier 2:

FB: Temple (2017-19), Houston (2017/18), SMU (2016-18), Tulane (2018/19), Navy (2017/20), USF (2016/17)

BB: SMU, Tulsa, Memphis (2017-18), Temple (in 2016-18), UCF (2016-18), USF(2018-19)

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AAC Tier 3:

FB: Tulsa, ECU, USF (2019), Tulane (2015, 2016), & Houston (2019)

BB: ECU, USF, Tulane, SMU (2017-18), UCF (2014-16), & Temple (2019-20).

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Most consistent: Cincy, ECU, WSU, Tulane BB, Houston BB, UCF FB, Memphis FB,

Upward trend: SMU (FB & BB), UCF BB, Memphis BB, Tulane FB

Downward trend: Temple, USF FB, Houston FB, UConn

Variable trend: Tulsa, Navy
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The information above illustrates how the number of high quality teams and the overall stature of the conference could be improved by replacing UConn with a quality all-sports school (e.g., BYU) or quality FB and BB schools (e.g., Air Force & VCU).

So made up tiers?

*popcorn*

Yep, even colorized 'em with the school's colors for your entertainment...

....but they are based on the school's actual W-L records, and revised in accordance with reader's suggestions.
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Cincinnati is the flagship.
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But Jed thinks we're tier whatever.

Mmmkay.
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(10-17-2020 03:09 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

But Jed thinks we're tier whatever.

Because Navy's record was 3-10 in 2018, 7-6 in 2017, and because Navy has had a couple of blowout losses early this season, it would have been incorrect to describe Navy as a consistent Tier 1 (9+ wins) team over the past 5 years.

The table shows - - accurately - - that in their five seasons in the AAC, Navy was a Tier 1 team in 2015, 2016, and 2019.


Due to having an average of 5 wins per season in 2017 and 2018, Navy was more of a Tier 2 team during those two seasons.

Navy could have been, but wasn't described as a Tier 3 team in 2018, because the emphasis is more on the program than on specific seasons.
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(10-17-2020 04:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Tiers are for dumb people

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(10-17-2020 08:40 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 07:59 AM)vcoog Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 07:50 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  You know the Houston crowd is going to demand that they're tier one in football.

Outside of being able to get ranked easier than they probably should what has UC done in football? When was the last time y’all weren’t embarrassed by OSU?

Lol most college football fans know Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State are on another level even for the so called P5 schools.

Goal 1: Win this conference and a NYD bowl

Right which we've done and you haven't.
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(10-17-2020 10:21 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 07:59 AM)vcoog Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 07:50 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  You know the Houston crowd is going to demand that they're tier one in football.

Outside of being able to get ranked easier than they probably should what has UC done in football? When was the last time y’all weren’t embarrassed by OSU?

Oh, I don't know. Came within a second of the BCS championship game once. Been to Sugar and Orange bowls. Multiple BE titles. We've been around.

To answer your other question, we came within a last second dropped pass in the endzone of beating the 2002 national champions. You asked.

Yea I believe these tiers have to do with the AAC and recent seasons.

So like from 2013 on

I would put UC, USF, and Memphis in T2. UCF and UH T1. Even tho with UH’s 4-8 and UCF’s 0fer season the win totals may not be that skewed but if your team hasn’t won a NY6 game or a major P5 win like top 10 ranked you should be disqualified from T1.
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(10-17-2020 07:28 PM)vcoog Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 10:21 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 07:59 AM)vcoog Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 07:50 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  You know the Houston crowd is going to demand that they're tier one in football.

Outside of being able to get ranked easier than they probably should what has UC done in football? When was the last time y’all weren’t embarrassed by OSU?

Oh, I don't know. Came within a second of the BCS championship game once. Been to Sugar and Orange bowls. Multiple BE titles. We've been around.

To answer your other question, we came within a last second dropped pass in the endzone of beating the 2002 national champions. You asked.

Yea I believe these tiers have to do with the AAC and recent seasons.

So like from 2013 on

I would put UC, USF, and Memphis in T2. UCF and UH T1. Even tho with UH’s 4-8 and UCF’s 0fer season the win totals may not be that skewed but if your team hasn’t won a NY6 game or a major P5 win like top 10 ranked you should be disqualified from T1.

CFB fans might consider a top 25 top 30 caliber program to be Tier 1, without meeting more stringent criteria in a 3-Tier system.

Tier 1 25-30 programs (#1-#30)

Tier 2 50 programs (#31 - #80)

Tier 3 50-60 programs (#81 - #140)
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(10-17-2020 03:09 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

It's pretty clear that Navy is a Tier 1 FB program in the history of college football.

The colorized table above only tracks the AAC teams' records since 2014.
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