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(10-16-2020 09:10 AM)For the Dukes Wrote:  
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(10-16-2020 08:34 AM)For the Dukes Wrote:  This confirms what I have thought since my time as a student - Alger is not fit to run this institution. I wrote into the Duke Club saying I will be pausing my giving until he is gone.

I’m still processing this, but the article certainly raises a lot of concerns that appear valid. When the very top school donors who are close to the situation are speaking out, that says volumes.

Having said that - I don’t feel communication with the DC will likely reach the ears of the decision makers here - the BOV. Hart’s post describes a better way to address concerns with BOV members.

I also think withholding funds from the DC is less likely to create a positive change than it is to negatively impact the athletics program. Those funds help support JMU athletes and coaches that make our programs competitive.

That is fair. I wrote to the Duke Club because that is where I have always donated and thought that as the appropriate avenue to write in about my donation. I definitely have weighed the upside vs downside of halting, but I really find it hard to give my money to an institution, even if it is just the athletics arm of that institution, if I do not trust the leadership that is all the way at the top. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the BOV hear from the Duke Club if others were saying similar things?

This is off topic but I thought I would ask here since people are discussing Duke Club. I have donated through the Young Alumni program since I graduated and have never received the gift they promise each year (travel coffee mug, JMU duffle bag, etc.). The gift is obviously not the reason I donate and I will not stop donating because of the gift but I thought it was odd. I don't think there are many young alumni on this board but has anyone experienced the same?

https://jmudukeclub.com/sports/2018/11/2...ogram.aspx
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(10-16-2020 09:35 AM)Anders Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 09:10 AM)For the Dukes Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 09:03 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 08:34 AM)For the Dukes Wrote:  This confirms what I have thought since my time as a student - Alger is not fit to run this institution. I wrote into the Duke Club saying I will be pausing my giving until he is gone.

I’m still processing this, but the article certainly raises a lot of concerns that appear valid. When the very top school donors who are close to the situation are speaking out, that says volumes.

Having said that - I don’t feel communication with the DC will likely reach the ears of the decision makers here - the BOV. Hart’s post describes a better way to address concerns with BOV members.

I also think withholding funds from the DC is less likely to create a positive change than it is to negatively impact the athletics program. Those funds help support JMU athletes and coaches that make our programs competitive.

That is fair. I wrote to the Duke Club because that is where I have always donated and thought that as the appropriate avenue to write in about my donation. I definitely have weighed the upside vs downside of halting, but I really find it hard to give my money to an institution, even if it is just the athletics arm of that institution, if I do not trust the leadership that is all the way at the top. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the BOV hear from the Duke Club if others were saying similar things?

This is off topic but I thought I would ask here since people are discussing Duke Club. I have donated through the Young Alumni program since I graduated and have never received the gift they promise each year (travel coffee mug, JMU duffle bag, etc.). The gift is obviously not the reason I donate and I will not stop donating because of the gift but I thought it was odd. I don't think there are many young alumni on this board but has anyone experienced the same?

https://jmudukeclub.com/sports/2018/11/2...ogram.aspx

I personally think you have a valid concern. Anyone thinks it's petty doesn't put a lot of effort in doing the small things that make life special.
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Not sure JMU is in a position to lose 3 of it's Top 5 donors. Whether it's true or not is another matter, but the guy did go on the record.

Very impressed with that Breeze article. Agree w/ several of brother Tickle's points regarding Alger. We'll see what happens. [Image: tumblr_p25f70p4cl1tset9yo8_250.gifv]
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(10-16-2020 09:35 AM)Anders Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 09:10 AM)For the Dukes Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 09:03 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 08:34 AM)For the Dukes Wrote:  This confirms what I have thought since my time as a student - Alger is not fit to run this institution. I wrote into the Duke Club saying I will be pausing my giving until he is gone.

I’m still processing this, but the article certainly raises a lot of concerns that appear valid. When the very top school donors who are close to the situation are speaking out, that says volumes.

Having said that - I don’t feel communication with the DC will likely reach the ears of the decision makers here - the BOV. Hart’s post describes a better way to address concerns with BOV members.

I also think withholding funds from the DC is less likely to create a positive change than it is to negatively impact the athletics program. Those funds help support JMU athletes and coaches that make our programs competitive.

That is fair. I wrote to the Duke Club because that is where I have always donated and thought that as the appropriate avenue to write in about my donation. I definitely have weighed the upside vs downside of halting, but I really find it hard to give my money to an institution, even if it is just the athletics arm of that institution, if I do not trust the leadership that is all the way at the top. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the BOV hear from the Duke Club if others were saying similar things?

This is off topic but I thought I would ask here since people are discussing Duke Club. I have donated through the Young Alumni program since I graduated and have never received the gift they promise each year (travel coffee mug, JMU duffle bag, etc.). The gift is obviously not the reason I donate and I will not stop donating because of the gift but I thought it was odd. I don't think there are many young alumni on this board but has anyone experienced the same?

https://jmudukeclub.com/sports/2018/11/2...ogram.aspx

I received the bag but it was a quite a few months after my gift if I recall correctly. It did come with a note saying sorry for the delay. Maybe reach out and see if they'll send you one?
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(10-16-2020 09:10 AM)For the Dukes Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 09:03 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 08:34 AM)For the Dukes Wrote:  This confirms what I have thought since my time as a student - Alger is not fit to run this institution. I wrote into the Duke Club saying I will be pausing my giving until he is gone.

I’m still processing this, but the article certainly raises a lot of concerns that appear valid. When the very top school donors who are close to the situation are speaking out, that says volumes.

Having said that - I don’t feel communication with the DC will likely reach the ears of the decision makers here - the BOV. Hart’s post describes a better way to address concerns with BOV members.

I also think withholding funds from the DC is less likely to create a positive change than it is to negatively impact the athletics program. Those funds help support JMU athletes and coaches that make our programs competitive.

That is fair. I wrote to the Duke Club because that is where I have always donated and thought that as the appropriate avenue to write in about my donation. I definitely have weighed the upside vs downside of halting, but I really find it hard to give my money to an institution, even if it is just the athletics arm of that institution, if I do not trust the leadership that is all the way at the top. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the BOV hear from the Duke Club if others were saying similar things?

It certainly won't hurt to make it known to the Duke Club, but I am not sure it moves the needle. The people that can move the needle are the folks that are referenced in the article that are giving in the tens of thousands to millions range. We don't have that many of those at JMU so they have a huge amount of pull or should. As far as giving to athletics I separate that from my giving to the overall university and look at it as an investment in something I really enjoy. I have not lowered my gift, in fact I raised mine this year along with a pledge to AUBC that I have a couple more years on. Based on reading the article I am looking at whether my other gifts to JMU Foundation should be held back until further research is done. I am by no means a huge donor, but do give enough that if enough people like me held back it would hurt and be noticed.
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(10-16-2020 09:10 AM)For the Dukes Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the BOV hear from the Duke Club if others were saying similar things?

My suspicion is that direct line of communication ( DC -> BOV ) simply doesn’t exist, and any feedback is likely to be filtered by the admin.

Much of the article focused on how Alger is apparently trying to restrict information flow with the BOV and work around normal checks and balances that exist for the BOV to more openly interact with the public. It gives the appearance that Alger wants tight control over the BOV itself, which if true is frankly inappropriate for a state institution.
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Why is anyone surprised by this? I'm not even saying it as a detractor of President Alger or anything like that. He is/was/will be a compliance guy. You can find my comments to this end on this very board when he was hired.

Dr. Carrier was a growth oriented visionary...but even if he had been fully transparent...we never would have had the convo (anyone who knows the history and backstory of the Convo knows this)

Dr. Rose was in a lot of ways a bridge to the future...who many didnt think would have the tenure he did. He was like a 10 year interim President in a lot of ways. But I think he did a really really nice job and is in large part responsible for JMU's renaissance.

Anyone who is involved with, or has to work with compliance functions knows that transparency can often complicate processes. That is not to say its bad - we all crave some level of transparency - but when you have a lot of people involved in a transparent process, it can get really slippery.

Its not an issue until its an issue. I dont know all of the details in play here, but if Alger wants to continue as President, he will likely have to "open the kimono" as we often say. (Sorry for the visual)
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(10-16-2020 03:18 PM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  FYI, Alger's response

Reading his response "left me" more concerned about him as President of JMU.
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(10-16-2020 03:33 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 03:18 PM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  FYI, Alger's response

Reading his response "left me" more concerned about him as President of JMU.

I thought it was a well reasoned response. When I read the breeze article I thought "uh oh things are not going well" when I read the response I was put much more at ease. He at least seemed to address every criticism and at least seemed pretty straight forward and dare I say "transparent"
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(10-16-2020 03:33 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 03:18 PM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  FYI, Alger's response

Reading his response "left me" more concerned about him as President of JMU.

When I read it I thought whoever the kid was at the Breeze that wrote the article better hope they have a backup plan to JMU. Breeze permanent staff editor might want to pack up out of the Burg as well.
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He didn’t answer all the questions in his reply. Lots of words, but not enough substance which leaves us no more informed than we were yesterday.
As John McEnroe eloquently said, Answer the question, Jerk!

Intentional meetings with 2 or fewer BOV members to avoid FOIA requests and keep information out of the public eye is evasive and shady. Why haven’t you had meetings with 3 BOV members at a time Johnny boy? Wouldn’t that be more efficient? There are 15 members and then a secretary plus a student rep. Whether it is 15 or 17, who was he leaving out on these 2 person hush hush pre BOV meetings? A state senator scolded him in the original article for holding 2 person meetings that prevent the access to public info. Alger makes an excuse that few people show up anyway, but he doesn’t mention that FOIA requests can be ignored by him Because he didn’t have 3 or more BOV members in his meetings. Public access is denied. Investigative reporters can’t get true answers on his activity. Concerned slums and citizens can’t get true answers on his activity. He Is not someone who should be leading a large state university. Integrity is mandatory for a prez.

He should have named all the state delegates he has lobbied every session instead of saying “many.” Who? He was called out for being invisible by a delegate in the article who is a JMU alumnus.

I think Alger is Clearly in job protection mode and members of the VA general assembly are against him as they stated in the article. Good luck Jon boy.
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this is a political pi$$ing match and it's dripping wet. The Breeze is butthurt at the administration for giving information to the DNR before the Breeze last month regarding COVID-19 statistics. The Breeze fires back by publishing something they didn't seek comment from both sides on. Worth noting the sources in the first piece yesterday are ALL conservative/right views while the administration leans liberal/left. The sources in the article are openly mad on their personal platforms that JMU isn't fully open. Both sides can be correct on their stances. The pi$$ing match in the student newspaper is the wrong forum to resolve their problems.
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(10-16-2020 05:02 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  He didn’t answer all the questions in his reply. Lots of words, but not enough substance which leaves us no more informed than we were yesterday.
As John McEnroe eloquently said, Answer the question, Jerk!

Intentional meetings with 2 or fewer BOV members to avoid FOIA requests and keep information out of the public eye is evasive and shady. Why haven’t you had meetings with 3 BOV members at a time Johnny boy? Wouldn’t that be more efficient? There are 15 members and then a secretary plus a student rep. Whether it is 15 or 17, who was he leaving out on these 2 person hush hush pre BOV meetings? A state senator scolded him in the original article for holding 2 person meetings that prevent the access to public info. Alger makes an excuse that few people show up anyway, but he doesn’t mention that FOIA requests can be ignored by him Because he didn’t have 3 or more BOV members in his meetings. Public access is denied. Investigative reporters can’t get true answers on his activity. Concerned slums and citizens can’t get true answers on his activity. He Is not someone who should be leading a large state university. Integrity is mandatory for a prez.

He should have named all the state delegates he has lobbied every session instead of saying “many.” Who? He was called out for being invisible by a delegate in the article who is a JMU alumnus.

I think Alger is Clearly in job protection mode and members of the VA general assembly are against him as they stated in the article. Good luck Jon boy.

Nonsense.
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(10-16-2020 07:37 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  this is a political pi$$ing match and it's dripping wet. The Breeze is butthurt at the administration for giving information to the DNR before the Breeze last month regarding COVID-19 statistics. The Breeze fires back by publishing something they didn't seek comment from both sides on. Worth noting the sources in the first piece yesterday are ALL conservative/right views while the administration leans liberal/left. The sources in the article are openly mad on their personal platforms that JMU isn't fully open. Both sides can be correct on their stances. The pi$$ing match in the student newspaper is the wrong forum to resolve their problems.

Exactly.
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(10-16-2020 05:02 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  He didn’t answer all the questions in his reply. Lots of words, but not enough substance which leaves us no more informed than we were yesterday.
As John McEnroe eloquently said, Answer the question, Jerk!

Intentional meetings with 2 or fewer BOV members to avoid FOIA requests and keep information out of the public eye is evasive and shady. Why haven’t you had meetings with 3 BOV members at a time Johnny boy? Wouldn’t that be more efficient? There are 15 members and then a secretary plus a student rep. Whether it is 15 or 17, who was he leaving out on these 2 person hush hush pre BOV meetings? A state senator scolded him in the original article for holding 2 person meetings that prevent the access to public info. Alger makes an excuse that few people show up anyway, but he doesn’t mention that FOIA requests can be ignored by him Because he didn’t have 3 or more BOV members in his meetings. Public access is denied. Investigative reporters can’t get true answers on his activity. Concerned slums and citizens can’t get true answers on his activity. He Is not someone who should be leading a large state university. Integrity is mandatory for a prez.

He should have named all the state delegates he has lobbied every session instead of saying “many.” Who? He was called out for being invisible by a delegate in the article who is a JMU alumnus.

I think Alger is Clearly in job protection mode and members of the VA general assembly are against him as they stated in the article. Good luck Jon boy.

Yep. Transparency has been a problem at JMU for quite a while. I am sick and tired of the excuses, the obfuscation, and the monitoring of situations.
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Is the Breeze article and Alger's reponse on the list of situations to be monitored?
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(10-17-2020 05:55 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Is the Breeze article and Alger's reponse on the list of situations to be monitored?

Yes...due to the fluid landscape of course...
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(10-17-2020 05:55 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Is the Breeze article and Alger's reponse on the list of situations to be monitored?

We can never monitor enough situations. We must always be on the lookout for new situations to monitor.
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(10-16-2020 07:37 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  this is a political pi$$ing match and it's dripping wet. The Breeze is butthurt at the administration for giving information to the DNR before the Breeze last month regarding COVID-19 statistics. The Breeze fires back by publishing something they didn't seek comment from both sides on. Worth noting the sources in the first piece yesterday are ALL conservative/right views while the administration leans liberal/left. The sources in the article are openly mad on their personal platforms that JMU isn't fully open. Both sides can be correct on their stances. The pi$$ing match in the student newspaper is the wrong forum to resolve their problems.

Agree. You just need to look at who is on the BOV and who made those appointments. President Alger was put into that position for a reason. The BOV were put into their positions for a reason.

If the student newspaper is the wrong forum for "exposure" what is the correct forum for greater transparency?
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