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(10-15-2020 01:02 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I've said this before. I think nearly all of the AAC schools have spent tens or hundreds of millions of $ upgrading facilities. And there are plenty of other P5 schools that have done that.

They didn't do that to be relegated to a lower division. I don't think this would go down without a fight.

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The Power 5 broke away from their King Nick Saban. He's trying to coach virtually since he tested positive for Covid. This will be a season to tell your grandchildren about.
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(10-15-2020 01:58 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 01:02 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I've said this before. I think nearly all of the AAC schools have spent tens or hundreds of millions of $ upgrading facilities. And there are plenty of other P5 schools that have done that.

They didn't do that to be relegated to a lower division. I don't think this would go down without a fight.

Bingo!

All those schools were told to spend like they have done because the discussion already started back then. I can remember this being addressed by UC's AD before they completed the Nippert project, the 5/3rd Renovation and other investments that this sort of change was coming and some schools were going to be left behind.
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I strongly assume the AAC would come along and some in the MWC.
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(10-15-2020 09:47 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  I strongly assume the AAC would come along and some in the MWC.

We would all hope so, but there was no mention of bringing any G5 teams over, and there would be major complications to having a mixture of G5 and P5 teams in a P5 CFBAA (Power Five College Football Athletic Association).

1) It would require negotiating with the NCAA to obtain "A5" and "AQ" status for AAC/MWC schools.

2) Unless all the AAC and MWC schools were invited, the AAC and MWC would be torn apart.

3) Broadcasting agreements for the P5 "CFBAA" would have to be negotiated for whichever AAC and MWC schools might be invited.

4) Complex anti-trust issues might arise if the P5 "CFBAA" were to prevent the AAC and MWC schools from being compensated at the minimal rate that the P5 schools are compensated (which might require paying the AAC & MWC schools something like $20 million/year).

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Speaking of legal issues, the NCAA and the G5 conferences could take legal action to try to prevent the P5 conferences from splitting off, on the basis of anti-trust law, because this would be an attempt by the P5 to create an anti-competitive monopoly, and would result in manifest harm to the NCAA and many of its member schools.
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RE: Majority of Power Five schools favor breaking away to form own division within NCAA,
(10-16-2020 06:04 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 09:47 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  I strongly assume the AAC would come along and some in the MWC.

We would all hope so, but there was no mention of bringing any G5 teams over, and there would be major complications to having a mixture of G5 and P5 teams in a P5 CFBAA (Power Five College Football Athletic Association).

1) It would require negotiating with the NCAA to obtain "A5" and "AQ" status for AAC/MWC schools.

2) Unless all the AAC and MWC schools were invited, the AAC and MWC would be torn apart.

3) Broadcasting agreements for the P5 "CFBAA" would have to be negotiated for whichever AAC and MWC schools might be invited.

4) Complex anti-trust issues might arise if the P5 "CFBAA" were to prevent the AAC and MWC schools from being compensated at the minimal rate that the P5 schools are compensated (which might require paying the AAC & MWC schools something like $20 million/year).

.

Speaking of legal issues, the NCAA and the G5 conferences could take legal action to try to prevent the P5 conferences from splitting off, on the basis of anti-trust law, because this would be an attempt by the P5 to create an anti-competitive monopoly, and would result in manifest harm to the NCAA and many of its member schools.

ESPN has planned for this with verbiage in the new tv deal. At the very least it gives them the option of taking the full conference or gutting it and taking the teams they deem most valuable while being able to completely renegotiate the tv deal with the remaining teams in the AAC.
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RE: Majority of Power Five schools favor breaking away to form own division within NCAA,
(10-15-2020 06:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 01:58 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 01:02 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I've said this before. I think nearly all of the AAC schools have spent tens or hundreds of millions of $ upgrading facilities. And there are plenty of other P5 schools that have done that.

They didn't do that to be relegated to a lower division. I don't think this would go down without a fight.

Bingo!

All those schools were told to spend like they have done because the discussion already started back then. I can remember this being addressed by UC's AD before they completed the Nippert project, the 5/3rd Renovation and other investments that this sort of change was coming and some schools were going to be left behind.

I do think this has been in the works behind the scenes for a good while now. Probably at least with the Big 12 dog and pony expansion show. Would explain schools taking very different approaches lately. Like Uconn's big east move to solidify a place for their basketball program knowing their football would be left out and a majority of the AAC is in a facilities arms race.
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RE: Majority of Power Five schools favor breaking away to form own division within NCAA,
(10-16-2020 06:04 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 09:47 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  I strongly assume the AAC would come along and some in the MWC.

We would all hope so, but there was no mention of bringing any G5 teams over, and there would be major complications to having a mixture of G5 and P5 teams in a P5 CFBAA (Power Five College Football Athletic Association).

1) It would require negotiating with the NCAA to obtain "A5" and "AQ" status for AAC/MWC schools.

2) Unless all the AAC and MWC schools were invited, the AAC and MWC would be torn apart.

3) Broadcasting agreements for the P5 "CFBAA" would have to be negotiated for whichever AAC and MWC schools might be invited.

4) Complex anti-trust issues might arise if the P5 "CFBAA" were to prevent the AAC and MWC schools from being compensated at the minimal rate that the P5 schools are compensated (which might require paying the AAC & MWC schools something like $20 million/year).

.

Speaking of legal issues, the NCAA and the G5 conferences could take legal action to try to prevent the P5 conferences from splitting off, on the basis of anti-trust law, because this would be an attempt by the P5 to create an anti-competitive monopoly, and would result in manifest harm to the NCAA and many of its member schools.
Good post. I agree and ND will at minumum advocate for the academies. Which there is no way the P 5 want to upset the government by excluding the branches of the military. I believe the split will happen but it will be a bigger number. Cincy, UCF and Memphis etc have earned it.
Some schools may use it as excuse to de-emphasize athletics( san jose type schools).
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(10-16-2020 08:07 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 06:04 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 09:47 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  I strongly assume the AAC would come along and some in the MWC.

We would all hope so, but there was no mention of bringing any G5 teams over, and there would be major complications to having a mixture of G5 and P5 teams in a P5 CFBAA (Power Five College Football Athletic Association).

1) It would require negotiating with the NCAA to obtain "A5" and "AQ" status for AAC/MWC schools.

2) Unless all the AAC and MWC schools were invited, the AAC and MWC would be torn apart.

3) Broadcasting agreements for the P5 "CFBAA" would have to be negotiated for whichever AAC and MWC schools might be invited.

4) Complex anti-trust issues might arise if the P5 "CFBAA" were to prevent the AAC and MWC schools from being compensated at the minimal rate that the P5 schools are compensated (which might require paying the AAC & MWC schools something like $20 million/year).

.

Speaking of legal issues, the NCAA and the G5 conferences could take legal action to try to prevent the P5 conferences from splitting off, on the basis of anti-trust law, because this would be an attempt by the P5 to create an anti-competitive monopoly, and would result in manifest harm to the NCAA and many of its member schools.
Good post. I agree and ND will at minumum advocate for the academies. Which there is no way the P 5 want to upset the government by excluding the branches of the military. I believe the split will happen but it will be a bigger number. Cincy, UCF and Memphis etc have earned it.
Some schools may use it as excuse to de-emphasize athletics( san jose type schools).

Bolded, ditto on this. It's easy to categorize the P5 as some monolithic entity but it's far from it. There is a financial pecking order of the P5 conferences and within each conference there are still "haves" and "have nots" even after the floodtide of cash from TV.

When a new classification emerges, I envision a massive restructuring. The smaller G5 conferences will see the stakes as too high and embrace it as a tipping point, either exiting to a modified FCS or simply phasing out football. Those university leaders will position it with their alumni and fans as being forced to do it by circumstances beyond their control.

The committed programs: the P5, most members of the AAC and MWC, BYU and maybe the service academies have the resources to compete at this level and have sustained competitive football, often in major media markets. So a case can be made for a new top tier of about 90 schools that enables today's P5 members reasonable non-conference scheduling options (assuming a complete break from today's NCAA) along with millions more around the country engaged for TV viewership than before.
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(10-15-2020 11:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 11:00 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 01:55 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  The Knight Commission can eat a dong. All that stupid survey does is plant a seed. Of course those schools would like there to be less schools to compete against. I'm sure that if you also created a poll asking the SEC/Big12/ACC/Big10 if the Pac 12 should be left out of AQ, over half would say yes to that because they aren't in the Pac 12.

Bunch of BS trying to segregate FBS football.

^Juan Williams has a point. He may be the liberal of the group but he does he hit it on the head sometimes and right hee ahh.

I did not realize CoastalJuan was a media figure. Do you think he can hook me up with Dana Perino?

My request from "Juan Williams" is to hook me up with Emily Compagno while he at it.
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(10-16-2020 06:04 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 09:47 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  I strongly assume the AAC would come along and some in the MWC.

We would all hope so, but there was no mention of bringing any G5 teams over, and there would be major complications to having a mixture of G5 and P5 teams in a P5 CFBAA (Power Five College Football Athletic Association).

1) It would require negotiating with the NCAA to obtain "A5" and "AQ" status for AAC/MWC schools.

2) Unless all the AAC and MWC schools were invited, the AAC and MWC would be torn apart.

3) Broadcasting agreements for the P5 "CFBAA" would have to be negotiated for whichever AAC and MWC schools might be invited.

4) Complex anti-trust issues might arise if the P5 "CFBAA" were to prevent the AAC and MWC schools from being compensated at the minimal rate that the P5 schools are compensated (which might require paying the AAC & MWC schools something like $20 million/year).

.

Speaking of legal issues, the NCAA and the G5 conferences could take legal action to try to prevent the P5 conferences from splitting off, on the basis of anti-trust law, because this would be an attempt by the P5 to create an anti-competitive monopoly, and would result in manifest harm to the NCAA and many of its member schools.

No mention of g5 because it would be P6 or a large P4.
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So how much money/investment is enough? This is a zero sum game.
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(10-16-2020 10:44 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 06:04 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 09:47 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  I strongly assume the AAC would come along and some in the MWC.

We would all hope so, but there was no mention of bringing any G5 teams over, and there would be major complications to having a mixture of G5 and P5 teams in a P5 CFBAA (Power Five College Football Athletic Association).

1) It would require negotiating with the NCAA to obtain "A5" and "AQ" status for AAC/MWC schools.

2) Unless all the AAC and MWC schools were invited, the AAC and MWC would be torn apart.

3) Broadcasting agreements for the P5 "CFBAA" would have to be negotiated for whichever AAC and MWC schools might be invited.

4) Complex anti-trust issues might arise if the P5 "CFBAA" were to prevent the AAC and MWC schools from being compensated at the minimal rate that the P5 schools are compensated (which might require paying the AAC & MWC schools something like $20 million/year).

.

Speaking of legal issues, the NCAA and the G5 conferences could take legal action to try to prevent the P5 conferences from splitting off, on the basis of anti-trust law, because this would be an attempt by the P5 to create an anti-competitive monopoly, and would result in manifest harm to the NCAA and many of its member schools.

No mention of g5 because it would be P6 or a large P4.

I believe it will be a P-6 . I believe independence maybe axed in favor of conference champions in the next realignment. That is where i am curious how it all works out.

The ACC may add one more when this happens. I just do not believe things will stay static with all the upcoming changes.
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(10-16-2020 11:05 AM)everyone Wrote:  So how much money/investment is enough? This is a zero sum game.

I think we can all agree that the P5 executives are greedy bastards, gluttons, and pigs.
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(10-16-2020 11:42 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 10:44 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 06:04 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 09:47 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  I strongly assume the AAC would come along and some in the MWC.

We would all hope so, but there was no mention of bringing any G5 teams over, and there would be major complications to having a mixture of G5 and P5 teams in a P5 CFBAA (Power Five College Football Athletic Association).

1) It would require negotiating with the NCAA to obtain "A5" and "AQ" status for AAC/MWC schools.

2) Unless all the AAC and MWC schools were invited, the AAC and MWC would be torn apart.

3) Broadcasting agreements for the P5 "CFBAA" would have to be negotiated for whichever AAC and MWC schools might be invited.

4) Complex anti-trust issues might arise if the P5 "CFBAA" were to prevent the AAC and MWC schools from being compensated at the minimal rate that the P5 schools are compensated (which might require paying the AAC & MWC schools something like $20 million/year).

.

Speaking of legal issues, the NCAA and the G5 conferences could take legal action to try to prevent the P5 conferences from splitting off, on the basis of anti-trust law, because this would be an attempt by the P5 to create an anti-competitive monopoly, and would result in manifest harm to the NCAA and many of its member schools.

No mention of g5 because it would be P6 or a large P4.

I believe it will be a P-6 . I believe independence maybe axed in favor of conference champions in the next realignment. That is where i am curious how it all works out.

The ACC may add one more when this happens. I just do not believe things will stay static with all the upcoming changes.

I was thinking six (P6) conferences of 16 teams for a total of 96 teams... Pretty good number if basketball and other Olympic sports follow suite in the future.

ACC might look at a UMass or UConn to complement Notre Dame as full members including Football; Notre Dame will always be Football independent without a total breakaway.
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(10-15-2020 10:41 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 08:39 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 01:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The G5 "better fight" what exactly? Better put - why can't the 65 or so schools in the P5 formed their own organization? And with the threat of that I'm sure they can get away with a lot in the context of the NCAA - it's all about money right. :-)

Because the G5 is semi-relevant with TV deals in place, exposure, etc. and can pull the odd win against a P5 opponent. A move such as this would relegate G5 to essentially what the FCS is now. G5 better fight to keep this together. We are trying to gain more equality, not lose it farther.

That strikes me is a really hopeless and depressing point of view.

Not only that, but for some reason, you have adopted the attitude of those P5 fans who consider the G5 to be "semi-relevant."

You don't seem to realize that non-P5 FBS football isn't what it was 8 or 10 years ago, and you've failed to realize that a lot of non-P5 teams are more competitive and more exciting to watch than a lot of P5 teams.

If you want to have a depressing viewpoint about this, that's your choice. However, if your intent is to come on here and bum out all the G5 conference fans who actually prefer watching non-P5 FBS teams, then I would ask you to kindly stop throwing a pity party.

I am one of those fans, like those who have commented above, who is most interested in my team's conference games and their OOC games against competitive G5 and independent schools.

People like us don't appreciate it when people come on here and try to rain on our parade.

....just sayin'.....

I think that was his point. The more competitive we are, despite not having "paid our dues", the more likely the P5 are to want to force a relegation.

You can love watching your team play against competitive G5s and independents, but drawing that tangible line is going to hurt TV revenue , recruiting, and performance compared to the P5.
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(10-15-2020 11:00 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 01:55 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  The Knight Commission can eat a dong. All that stupid survey does is plant a seed. Of course those schools would like there to be less schools to compete against. I'm sure that if you also created a poll asking the SEC/Big12/ACC/Big10 if the Pac 12 should be left out of AQ, over half would say yes to that because they aren't in the Pac 12.

Bunch of BS trying to segregate FBS football.

^Juan Williams has a point. He may be the liberal of the group but he does he hit it on the head sometimes and right hee ahh.

When was a re-assigned to the left?
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Revenue producing sports should split away even from their universities. Find some way to license and rent facilities. Revenue producing sports are entertainment and shouldn't try to co-exist with the mission of universities when it obviously cannot.
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(10-16-2020 02:53 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 11:42 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 10:44 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 06:04 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(10-15-2020 09:47 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  I strongly assume the AAC would come along and some in the MWC.

We would all hope so, but there was no mention of bringing any G5 teams over, and there would be major complications to having a mixture of G5 and P5 teams in a P5 CFBAA (Power Five College Football Athletic Association).

1) It would require negotiating with the NCAA to obtain "A5" and "AQ" status for AAC/MWC schools.

2) Unless all the AAC and MWC schools were invited, the AAC and MWC would be torn apart.

3) Broadcasting agreements for the P5 "CFBAA" would have to be negotiated for whichever AAC and MWC schools might be invited.

4) Complex anti-trust issues might arise if the P5 "CFBAA" were to prevent the AAC and MWC schools from being compensated at the minimal rate that the P5 schools are compensated (which might require paying the AAC & MWC schools something like $20 million/year).

.

Speaking of legal issues, the NCAA and the G5 conferences could take legal action to try to prevent the P5 conferences from splitting off, on the basis of anti-trust law, because this would be an attempt by the P5 to create an anti-competitive monopoly, and would result in manifest harm to the NCAA and many of its member schools.

No mention of g5 because it would be P6 or a large P4.

I believe it will be a P-6 . I believe independence maybe axed in favor of conference champions in the next realignment. That is where i am curious how it all works out.

The ACC may add one more when this happens. I just do not believe things will stay static with all the upcoming changes.

I was thinking six (P6) conferences of 16 teams for a total of 96 teams... Pretty good number if basketball and other Olympic sports follow suite in the future.

ACC might look at a UMass or UConn to complement Notre Dame as full members including Football; Notre Dame will always be Football independent without a total breakaway.
Yep independence will be our chosen ideal until forced out of it. The way COVID is going we maybe full members next year.
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