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Did the Mormons ever complete the Joseph Smith "Inspired" version of the Bible? The one that matches up with the Book of Mormon?
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Are you sure this isn't the democrat translation. 05-stirthepot
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(10-16-2020 07:21 PM)Todor Wrote:  Did the Mormons ever complete the Joseph Smith "Inspired" version of the Bible? The one that matches up with the Book of Mormon?

He got that Bible from anonymous sources. He couldn't find them anymore. I wonder how much he got for those gold tablets? 03-wink
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(10-16-2020 08:00 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 07:21 PM)Todor Wrote:  Did the Mormons ever complete the Joseph Smith "Inspired" version of the Bible? The one that matches up with the Book of Mormon?

He got that Bible from anonymous sources. He couldn't find them anymore. I wonder how much he got for those gold tablets? 03-wink



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(10-16-2020 01:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Don't some denominations believe that other versions of the bible are rewrites? I had a guy ask which version the Episcopal Church uses and I had to admit that I really didn't know. It's King James BTW.


There are a few terribly corrupted "translations" of the Bible out there today but most of the major editions are just fine. None are perfect in everyway, but they are more that good enough to lead and edify the average reader.

There is no key doctrine in the entire Bible that is dependent upon one single verse or translation, the text repeats all key doctrines over and over and over again throughout the Bible in different contexts and angles. Its was clearly designed in such a way to make the language barrier a non factor and to easily be translated into multiple languages and still clearly understand all key doctrines and teachings. Its not an accident how it was written, God clearly intended it to be translated into languages across the whole earth and designed it to easily reach through the language barrier.

Nearly all denominational differences are based on man made traditions, not actual disagreements over translations. The vast majority of these are always secondary issues, not salvation issues. All denominations have specific tightly held traditions that are really just traditions of men, which is the same thing that the Jews had so many divisions over in Jesus' day. Traditions of men. Jesus spoke of it several times.

Much of my life I did not understand these things, and I hid behind false excuses like there being no proof of God or proof the Bible was true, or just say there are a million denominations so there is no way to know what to believe.

All lies the world loves to use to deceive people (who mostly don't want to believe anyway) in their ignorance of the text. Like the lie that the modern Bible has been filtered through countless translations so we can't know what the text said 2000+ years ago.

Lies, lies and more lies.

Lies that tickle the ears and sound good to hearts that don't want to believe or hear the truth anyway. So they are easy to believe.
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Versions I feel most comfortable suggesting:

King James
New King James
American Standard
New American Standard
English Standard
New International Version

These are the classic and most well known versions. All have certain issues depending on how deeply you want to dive. I am not a fan of the NIV for more advanced studies, but it is useful for beginners and easy to read.

I typically suggest people work their way to being able to study the KJV in the end but never be a "KJV only". Its always a good idea to examine some verses and passages in multiple versions/translations.

Its also a good idea to eventually learn to study the Hebrew and Greek texts, which is not as hard as it sounds thanks to online linear Bibles and tools.
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(10-17-2020 08:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Versions I feel most comfortable suggesting:

King James
New King James
American Standard
New American Standard
English Standard
New International Version

These are the classic and most well known versions. All have certain issues depending on how deeply you want to dive. I am not a fan of the NIV for more advanced studies, but it is useful for beginners and easy to read.

I typically suggest people work their way to being able to study the KJV in the end but never be a "KJV only". Its always a good idea to examine some verses and passages in multiple versions/translations.

Its also a good idea to eventually learn to study the Hebrew and Greek texts, which is not as hard as it sounds thanks to online linear Bibles and tools.

I'm a little less comfortable with the NIV, it does truncate some verses not sure why the translators decided that was needed.
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(10-17-2020 08:57 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 08:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Versions I feel most comfortable suggesting:

King James
New King James
American Standard
New American Standard
English Standard
New International Version

These are the classic and most well known versions. All have certain issues depending on how deeply you want to dive. I am not a fan of the NIV for more advanced studies, but it is useful for beginners and easy to read.

I typically suggest people work their way to being able to study the KJV in the end but never be a "KJV only". Its always a good idea to examine some verses and passages in multiple versions/translations.

Its also a good idea to eventually learn to study the Hebrew and Greek texts, which is not as hard as it sounds thanks to online linear Bibles and tools.

I'm a little less comfortable with the NIV, it does truncate some verses not sure why the translators decided that was needed.



Its my least preferred on that list as well, but it is useful for some beginners. Sometimes its worth it just to get them reading and studying the Bible.

There are more problems with it than any of the other versions I listed though. Too many altered verses, too many missing verses, too many distortions of the intent of the text.

Things that aren't necessarily an issue for beginners, but really a problem for intermediate to advanced students. I always suggest people transition away from it as soon as possible. But if it gets them started reading the Word then that's great.
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(10-17-2020 09:07 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 08:57 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 08:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Versions I feel most comfortable suggesting:

King James
New King James
American Standard
New American Standard
English Standard
New International Version

These are the classic and most well known versions. All have certain issues depending on how deeply you want to dive. I am not a fan of the NIV for more advanced studies, but it is useful for beginners and easy to read.

I typically suggest people work their way to being able to study the KJV in the end but never be a "KJV only". Its always a good idea to examine some verses and passages in multiple versions/translations.

Its also a good idea to eventually learn to study the Hebrew and Greek texts, which is not as hard as it sounds thanks to online linear Bibles and tools.

I'm a little less comfortable with the NIV, it does truncate some verses not sure why the translators decided that was needed.



Its my least preferred on that list as well, but it is useful for some beginners. Sometimes its worth it just to get them reading and studying the Bible.

There are more problems with it than any of the other versions I listed though. Too many altered verses, too many missing verses, too many distortions of the intent of the text.

Things that aren't necessarily an issue for beginners, but really a problem for intermediate to advanced students. I always suggest people transition away from it as soon as possible. But if it gets them started reading the Word then that's great.

Thoughts on the New Living Translation??
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I would recommend a Bible Study Guide for any version you choose to use. I love history. Being a Christian and a lover of history, makes studying the Bible an adventure. When you read a verse and a word is used you don’t understand or a place you have never heard of comes up, open the study guide and it will help explain what you have read.

No book replaces The Bible, no matter what translation you use. A study will help though. I like this one.

https://www.christianbook.com/ultimate-b...20QAvD_BwE
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(10-18-2020 01:43 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 09:07 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 08:57 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 08:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Versions I feel most comfortable suggesting:

King James
New King James
American Standard
New American Standard
English Standard
New International Version

These are the classic and most well known versions. All have certain issues depending on how deeply you want to dive. I am not a fan of the NIV for more advanced studies, but it is useful for beginners and easy to read.

I typically suggest people work their way to being able to study the KJV in the end but never be a "KJV only". Its always a good idea to examine some verses and passages in multiple versions/translations.

Its also a good idea to eventually learn to study the Hebrew and Greek texts, which is not as hard as it sounds thanks to online linear Bibles and tools.

I'm a little less comfortable with the NIV, it does truncate some verses not sure why the translators decided that was needed.



Its my least preferred on that list as well, but it is useful for some beginners. Sometimes its worth it just to get them reading and studying the Bible.

There are more problems with it than any of the other versions I listed though. Too many altered verses, too many missing verses, too many distortions of the intent of the text.

Things that aren't necessarily an issue for beginners, but really a problem for intermediate to advanced students. I always suggest people transition away from it as soon as possible. But if it gets them started reading the Word then that's great.

Thoughts on the New Living Translation??



I don't like paraphrasing interpretative Bibles, but they are useful for kids or those who don't excel at reading comprehension (I don't mean "dummies", just people with average or below reading comprehension skills). Or just those who are new to the Bible in general.

I don't think the NLT is infected with secularism like the NIV and some of the much worse than the NIV versions out there.

I think the issue with the NLT is it interprets the literal translation instead of keeping it more literal. One of the power things about the literal wording is its power to "cut through the marrow into the bone" of people. Its specifically worded in a way that is meant to cut deep into the soul in a powerful way and makes you see your sin the way God sees it. To FEEL the seriousness of the things it teaches deep down.

The NLT takes some of the more powerful verses and really blunts them and softens them, making them sound much less powerful and losing the seriousness of the literal wording.

There is a big problem in paraphrasing interpretative Bibles when it comes to studying the prophets. The literal wording is vital to unlocking and studying the OT prophets. Word studies and exact detail plays a large role in studying those books and unlocking what they teach and predict, much of which has already come to pass. The Bible is nearly 1/3rd prophecy so that is a lot of material that really gets lost in the shuffle. Its not like you can't understand them at all, but a lot of the really fun stuff can lost without a literal translation. Finding prophecies of Jesus, the Gospel and the church scattered throughout the OT prophets is one of the most enjoyable aspects of studying the Bible.

If you prefer the NLT I would never tell you not to read it. Reading it is a gazillion times better than not reading the Bible. The NLT is not a bad version but you seem like a pretty smart person to me so learning to transition to a more literal version would benefit you more long term.

The more literal translations may seem harder to understand at first, but you will get used to them if you put in the time. And always remember to PRAY and ask the Lord point blank to open up your understanding of the scriptures. And BELIEVE He can and will.

Most importantly, just KEEP READING IT. Over and over and over again daily if possible. Nothing changes your life or brings you closer to the Him than seriously studying His Word.
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(10-18-2020 11:18 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I think the issue with the NLT is it interprets the literal translation instead of keeping it more literal. One of the power things about the literal wording is its power to "cut through the marrow into the bone" of people. Its specifically worded in a way that is meant to cut deep into the soul in a powerful way and makes you see your sin the way God sees it. To FEEL the seriousness of the things it teaches deep down.

The NLT takes some of the more powerful verses and really blunts them and softens them, making them sound much less powerful and losing the seriousness of the literal wording.

I agree with this sentiment

Thank you for sharing your thoughts
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...and to get off the subject before I forget. We're speaking of lies so let me throw this tidbit in this thread. Today I saw an ad for Bite'em with a veteran (probably Cuban as it was from Florida, anyway) in it the vet complains that lie about Trump saying soldiers were losers and suckers. We know it's been refuted by about twenty people that were constantly with Trump in that time period and yet these lying Pieces of Schiff are still using it. The only people that will believe that ad are the low informed Demoncraps.

Trump should bring it up in his debate with Slo Joe but I don't think that he will. The people behind him are slow like Bite'em. Gosh, I wish I was one of his advisors, no kidding. I would tear up a new S O on the Demons and Bite'em.
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(10-16-2020 01:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Don't some denominations believe that other versions of the bible are rewrites? I had a guy ask which version the Episcopal Church uses and I had to admit that I really didn't know. It's King James BTW.

Catholics have the bonus books version

:)

Oh and your friend is profoundly ignorant of history to ask that question. Just sayin
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(10-18-2020 04:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 01:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Don't some denominations believe that other versions of the bible are rewrites? I had a guy ask which version the Episcopal Church uses and I had to admit that I really didn't know. It's King James BTW.

Catholics have the bonus books version

:)

Oh and your friend is profoundly ignorant of history to ask that question. Just sayin

The Mormons do too, that tells you something. You get more bang for the buck. It's like watching a Liberal network say something nice about Trump and then you get the "but" afterward in the same story.
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(10-11-2020 08:43 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(10-11-2020 08:30 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  For those of you who don't know, the Chinese communist party is writing its own translation of the Bible.

An excerpt of it was released a couple weeks ago as part of a new textbook on business ethics. The story in the excerpt is familiar to most Americans, even non-Christians: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

But here is the story as translated back into English in the new Chinese Bible:

Quote:Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.

So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”

She said, “No one, Lord.”

[Note: up to this point, this is almost word-for-word what the English version says]

When the crowd disappeared, Jesus stoned the sinner to death saying, “I too am a sinner. But if the law could only be executed by men without blemish, the law would be dead.”

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https://www.ucanews.com/news/chinese-cat...nner/89619

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/c...st-christ/

Before this was posted I posted the very exact thing that non-believers in the original Bible would create their own Bible and now this. Jeepers, I must be a seer.

Every translation since 1948 has a political bias and/or denominational bias. But none of them, as bad as some can be, is quite like just adding your own words blatantly.

China is feeling impervious these days and why not. The Main Stream Media won't cover it, and the Democratic Party doesn't believe anyway.
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(10-18-2020 04:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 01:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Don't some denominations believe that other versions of the bible are rewrites? I had a guy ask which version the Episcopal Church uses and I had to admit that I really didn't know. It's King James BTW.

Catholics have the bonus books version

:)

Oh and your friend is profoundly ignorant of history to ask that question. Just sayin

How apocryphal! On a more serious aside they do have Maccabees Beer in Israel. It's not too band either. It's sort of like a cross between Stroh's and Budweiser. You know like too many hops that have been scorched.
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(10-18-2020 04:31 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(10-18-2020 04:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 01:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Don't some denominations believe that other versions of the bible are rewrites? I had a guy ask which version the Episcopal Church uses and I had to admit that I really didn't know. It's King James BTW.

Catholics have the bonus books version

:)

Oh and your friend is profoundly ignorant of history to ask that question. Just sayin

The Mormons do too, that tells you something. You get more bang for the buck. It's like watching a Liberal network say something nice about Trump and then you get the "but" afterward in the same story.

If you havent, read the book of Mormon. I'll just leave that alone.
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(10-16-2020 07:21 PM)Todor Wrote:  Did the Mormons ever complete the Joseph Smith "Inspired" version of the Bible? The one that matches up with the Book of Mormon?

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stud...3?lang=eng
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(10-18-2020 07:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-18-2020 04:31 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(10-18-2020 04:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(10-16-2020 01:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Don't some denominations believe that other versions of the bible are rewrites? I had a guy ask which version the Episcopal Church uses and I had to admit that I really didn't know. It's King James BTW.

Catholics have the bonus books version

:)

Oh and your friend is profoundly ignorant of history to ask that question. Just sayin

The Mormons do too, that tells you something. You get more bang for the buck. It's like watching a Liberal network say something nice about Trump and then you get the "but" afterward in the same story.

If you havent, read the book of Mormon. I'll just leave that alone.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stud...m?lang=eng
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