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Opinion: Tom Hermann must go!!
His record vs the 'Horns biggest rival is atrocious, and furthermore, with the roster that the Sooners had going into the RRR, Oklahoma truly had no business winning that game. The Sooners top qb and rb were out. What more does Texas need to beat Oklahoma??? It is time that Chris Del Conte and the Texas admin face the facts which is it is past time to let Hermann go. Gus Malzahn might welcome a change from Auburn, and Dave Clawson would be very good, solid hires for Texas. Lane Kiffin looks like a possibility too, but IMO, the jury is still out on him.

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(10-11-2020 05:25 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  His record vs the 'Horns biggest rival is atrocious, and furthermore, with the roster that the Sooners had going into the RRR, Oklahoma truly had no business winning that game. The Sooners top qb and rb were out. What more does Texas need to beat Oklahoma??? It is time that Chris Del Conte and the Texas admin face the facts which is it is past time to let Hermann go. Gus Malzahn might welcome a change from Auburn, and Dave Clawson would be very good, solid hires for Texas. Lane Kiffin looks like a possibility too, but IMO, the jury is still out on him.

Well, I think it's a year too soon to pull the plug on him. I mean just the year before last he won the Sugar Bowl and beat Oklahoma as well.

This is a tough year to evaluate anyone given all the craziness associated with the virus.

I'd wait at least until after the season, maybe not until we're in next season, unless Urban Meyer says on Big Noon Saturday this week that he'd love to have the Texas job.

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One of the more baffling things about college football is how these schools that seem to have everything going in their favor can go through these periods of time where they don’t dominate, even with coaches that accomplished much more at schools with nowhere near the same level of resources.
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(10-11-2020 06:53 AM)Chappy Wrote:  One of the more baffling things about college football is how these schools that seem to have everything going in their favor can go through these periods of time where they don’t dominate, even with coaches that accomplished much more at schools with nowhere near the same level of resources.

Yes, we often say that in college football, coaching is everything. But sometimes there does seem to be something "in the water" at a program, such that successful coaches go there to die.

Texas seems to be such a place right now, though you could argue that they hired both Strong and Herman prematurely. Both guys had had only a year or two of real success at the places hired from, and had actually slid down a bit from their NY6 bowl year. The pattern for both was the same:

Great year (win conference and BCS/NY6 Bowl) ... Good year (winning record but no conference title and minor bowl) .. Get hired by Texas.
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Yes, it may be time for Texas to go after a long-time coach who has shown the ability for sustained success, not just 1 or 2 years of success.

Is Gary Patterson interested?
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(10-11-2020 06:53 AM)Chappy Wrote:  One of the more baffling things about college football is how these schools that seem to have everything going in their favor can go through these periods of time where they don’t dominate, even with coaches that accomplished much more at schools with nowhere near the same level of resources.

Actually, coaches seem to follow their patterns. John Mackovic had all the weaknesses at Texas people pointed out when he was hired. He repeated his pattern from Illinois. Mack Brown is a good coach but not great except in recruiting. As at UNC with Bobby Bowden, he ran into a better coach, Bob Stoops. He had a better winning % than Stoops but didn't win as many conference titles. Charlie Strong was totally unproven and people questioned his recruiting. His weak first coaching staff was a huge red flag and he turned out to be a lazy recruiter, lazy at preparing for opponents and just abysmal in game day decisions. Hermann won games he keyed on at Houston and lost games out of the blue. He's followed that pattern.
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Hermann has been handicapped by the horrendous recruiting by Charlie Strong. Texas had inferior talent to OU during the Strong era and inferior to several other Big 12 teams. Even Saturday, the difference in quality of the receivers vs. OU was dramatic and important. Texas just doesn't have the depth yet to be a top flight team. We'll see next year when Hermann has had enough recruiting time. But he will be breaking in a new QB.
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(10-11-2020 06:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  This is a tough year to evaluate anyone given all the craziness associated with the virus.

I agree, but, if you have money and feel differently, you’re taken more seriously.
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(10-11-2020 06:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-11-2020 05:25 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  His record vs the 'Horns biggest rival is atrocious, and furthermore, with the roster that the Sooners had going into the RRR, Oklahoma truly had no business winning that game. The Sooners top qb and rb were out. What more does Texas need to beat Oklahoma??? It is time that Chris Del Conte and the Texas admin face the facts which is it is past time to let Hermann go. Gus Malzahn might welcome a change from Auburn, and Dave Clawson would be very good, solid hires for Texas. Lane Kiffin looks like a possibility too, but IMO, the jury is still out on him.

Well, I think it's a year too soon to pull the plug on him. I mean just the year before last he won the Sugar Bowl and beat Oklahoma as well.

This is a tough year to evaluate anyone given all the craziness associated with the virus.

I'd wait at least until after the season, maybe not until we're in next season, unless Urban Meyer says on Big Noon Saturday this week that he'd love to have the Texas job.

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It is much too early and your right, this is a tough year to evaluate any coach. Hermann inherited a program that had three straight losing seasons and he has had three straight winning seasons. He is under contract through 2023. Texas has had one season with ten or more wins in the past decade. Before that, they had nine consecutive seasons with ten or more wins. He has got to get them back to the point where they are a consistent top 25 team. They ended up the 2018 season with ranked No.9 in the AP poll and 2019 ranked No. 25. So unless they could get Urban Meyer, it makes no sense at this time.
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(10-11-2020 10:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  Hermann has been handicapped by the horrendous recruiting by Charlie Strong. Texas had inferior talent to OU during the Strong era and inferior to several other Big 12 teams. Even Saturday, the difference in quality of the receivers vs. OU was dramatic and important. Texas just doesn't have the depth yet to be a top flight team. We'll see next year when Hermann has had enough recruiting time. But he will be breaking in a new QB.

Chuck left him a roster better than what he walked into. And as "bad" as the talent was, it was still better than the teams he continued to lose to.

He gets up for the bowl games, bug underdogs, but is a gamble when he's the favorite. Worst part is that, these players are the ones he brought it, i understand that the 17 class was a transition class. He said he didn't know how to get over the hump with his players in the post game.. That's it. He's done.
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I really thought he would be very successful at Texas---now I think its possible he is mismatched. Herman uses a high contact practices that emphasize a "we will always be the toughest most physical team on the field" coaching style. Basically--he says it take no talent to hit hard and exert full effort on every play. Thats just a mind set. He was hugely successful at Houston---but here's the thing. At Houston he has a bunch of guys overlooked by the P5 who have a chip on their shoulder. That style of coaching meshes perfectly with the kind of player who feels slighted by the big name coaches and programs. The Houston players quickly embraced the hard nosed tough practice culture that Herman preached.

Texas on the other hand, gets the 5-star and 4-star players who have always been told they are the greatest and have always found the game came easy to them. Im starting to think Herman's style might not play as well in a locker room full of guys who might feel a bit more entitled. I figured after a couple of years, Herman would weed out the guys who werent going to embrace the culture--but maybe his tough high contact practices are simply going to be a tough sale for that level of players. He may need a to find a slightly different way to spin the need to strive for excellence than the grueling physical high contact practices he held in Houston.
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(10-11-2020 08:42 AM)goofus Wrote:  Yes, it may be time for Texas to go after a long-time coach who has shown the ability for sustained success, not just 1 or 2 years of success.

Is Gary Patterson interested?

Gary's got too good a deal in Ft. Worth than to ever consider a no-win situation on the Forty Acres. TCU build a stadium for him, put his statue in front of the place, and won't run him out of town like Texas has done to every coach since Darrell Royal, who himself was forced out because, despite seven SWC titles in eight seasons, he was 5-5-1 in 1976 and that wasn't good enough.
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(10-11-2020 01:22 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  
(10-11-2020 10:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  Hermann has been handicapped by the horrendous recruiting by Charlie Strong. Texas had inferior talent to OU during the Strong era and inferior to several other Big 12 teams. Even Saturday, the difference in quality of the receivers vs. OU was dramatic and important. Texas just doesn't have the depth yet to be a top flight team. We'll see next year when Hermann has had enough recruiting time. But he will be breaking in a new QB.

Chuck left him a roster better than what he walked into. And as "bad" as the talent was, it was still better than the teams he continued to lose to.

He gets up for the bowl games, bug underdogs, but is a gamble when he's the favorite. Worst part is that, these players are the ones he brought it, i understand that the 17 class was a transition class. He said he didn't know how to get over the hump with his players in the post game.. That's it. He's done.

Charlie Strong seriously degraded the Texas talent. He had the Foremans from Mack.

Now his first class, he lost a lot of Mack's talent and you can't blame him too much for that. And Mack's last class was only 15 players because of scholarship limits. But Charlie's 2nd class was rated highly because of 3 Florida players he got. John Burt never amounted to much and the others never even showed up for the first practice. His 3rd class wasn't especially good. And he only had 6 signees in his next class when he got fired, so Hermann had to scramble to get anyone.
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(10-11-2020 01:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I really thought he would be very successful at Texas---now I think its possible he is mismatched. Herman uses a high contact practices that emphasize a "we will always be the toughest most physical team on the field" coaching style. Basically--he says it take no talent to hit hard and exert full effort on every play. Thats just a mind set. He was hugely successful at Houston---but here's the thing. At Houston he has a bunch of guys overlooked by the P5 who have a chip on their shoulder. That style of coaching meshes perfectly with the kind of player who feels slighted by the big name coaches and programs. The Houston players quickly embraced the hard nosed tough practice culture that Herman preached.

Texas on the other hand, gets the 5-star and 4-star players who have always been told they are the greatest and have always found the game came easy to them. Im starting to think Herman's style might not play as well in a locker room full of guys who might feel a bit more entitled. I figured after a couple of years, Herman would weed out the guys who werent going to embrace the culture--but maybe his tough high contact practices are simply going to be a tough sale for that level of players. He may need a to find a slightly different way to spin the need to strive for excellence than the grueling physical high contact practices he held in Houston.

That's an interesting theory. I didn't know he had that practice style.
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(10-11-2020 02:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-11-2020 01:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I really thought he would be very successful at Texas---now I think its possible he is mismatched. Herman uses a high contact practices that emphasize a "we will always be the toughest most physical team on the field" coaching style. Basically--he says it take no talent to hit hard and exert full effort on every play. Thats just a mind set. He was hugely successful at Houston---but here's the thing. At Houston he has a bunch of guys overlooked by the P5 who have a chip on their shoulder. That style of coaching meshes perfectly with the kind of player who feels slighted by the big name coaches and programs. The Houston players quickly embraced the hard nosed tough practice culture that Herman preached.

Texas on the other hand, gets the 5-star and 4-star players who have always been told they are the greatest and have always found the game came easy to them. Im starting to think Herman's style might not play as well in a locker room full of guys who might feel a bit more entitled. I figured after a couple of years, Herman would weed out the guys who werent going to embrace the culture--but maybe his tough high contact practices are simply going to be a tough sale for that level of players. He may need a to find a slightly different way to spin the need to strive for excellence than the grueling physical high contact practices he held in Houston.

That's an interesting theory. I didn't know he had that practice style.

He did here---maybe he's changed--idk. I'll admit I havent followed his every move closely since he left---but when here, he often bragged that we tripled the number of fall camp "take them to the ground" full contact reps over his predecessor. He would even do bull in the ring battles for a championship belt after each practice.

I remember when we played Oklahoma---I was amazed that we were clearly the more physical harder hitting team--despite Oklahoma almost certainly having a superior level of athlete across the board. So, that style of practice had real world results. We also had more concussions and more depth issues due to the kids being more banged up---so it could be a double edged sword.
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(10-11-2020 06:53 AM)Chappy Wrote:  One of the more baffling things about college football is how these schools that seem to have everything going in their favor can go through these periods of time where they don’t dominate, even with coaches that accomplished much more at schools with nowhere near the same level of resources.

Actually, coaches seem to follow their patterns. John Mackovic had all the weaknesses at Texas people pointed out when he was hired. He repeated his pattern from Illinois. Mack Brown is a good coach but not great except in recruiting. As at UNC with Bobby Bowden, he ran into a better coach, Bob Stoops. He had a better winning % than Stoops but didn't win as many conference titles. Charlie Strong was totally unproven and people questioned his recruiting. His weak first coaching staff was a huge red flag and he turned out to be a lazy recruiter, lazy at preparing for opponents and just abysmal in game day decisions. Hermann won games he keyed on at Houston and lost games out of the blue. He's followed that pattern.

Maybe so. There are other examples; Norte Dame before Kelly, the Miami Hurricanes, FSU, Alabama before Saban...
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Herman is a good big game coach but he can't keep a locker room focused for a full year. He's lost 10 games against unranked opponents while his teams have been ranked (7 at UT and 3 at UH). UT should've known better than to hand out such a big contract to an unproven HC.
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Can we also get rid of the current OT format as well? Pundits always quote player safety but yesterday's OT took over an hour to play and was monotonous (as always). Just copy the NFL rule and play for 10m and have ties again. No need for bowl eligibility if they just keep increasing the bowls to 65 games. Everyone gets in, so ties are fine again.
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The problem at Texas isn't the coach, though they had some bad ones and some decent ones since D.R.. The problem at Texas is the background noise as they have had some of the most hands on behind the scenes donors of any program in the nation married into the politics of Austin.

IMO, no coach, even great ones, will have a chance in Austin until they are insulated from all of the background noise and distractions.

Back when Darrell Royal was there the noise was present, but nothing like it is today because college football, while beloved, wasn't front and center to the nation and was mostly regional, hence the SWC. It's a completely different animal since he 80's and the background noise at all programs is amped up, but nothing like Austin.

Dabo is a great coach who has things like he wants them at Clemson. Put him in Tuscaloosa, or Austin, or Ann Arbor and he doesn't get things the way he wants them and he has to win with a plan that is not entirely his own.

The way I look at it, if my butt can be fired, then by God let me get fired on my on steam, not on the wonky ideas of some Big Money Donor that the A.D. is too chickencrap scared to stand up to.
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