(10-12-2020 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  So where does N.C. State carry their chip? You might say you can't have a chip on your shoulder if your nose is in the air. That would be UNC, Texas, & Michigan. It would seem to me that the University of North Carolina System has denied you guys anything but a kick in the pants from the haughty toity crowd!

State should be an absolute powerhouse in ACC football and basketball. Sometime after Sheridan left in football and Valvano left in basketball, the Pack never recovered.

(10-13-2020 10:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  Tom Herman made an interesting comment on his weekly show about the prevent defenses. Said OU was shutting them down, but then Texas was facing a different defense the last 5 minutes down two TDs. Basically said Lincoln Riley screwed up and let UT get back in the game by changing a defense that had been working.

I’ll be honest in that I can’t stand watching B12 games for this reason, and it seems common in games, almost to the point of it feeling fixed to make them more competitive to keep interest. And while you see pro teams using prevent schemes to a degree, there’s the red zone where the game completely changes. Only, in college, it doesn’t really change.

Like, how anyone in the Big XII can get a coaching gig after their time there, I don’t know how they do it. Nothing ever looks locked down. Just pretty much arena league. Just me, though.

(10-14-2020 07:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 10:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  Tom Herman made an interesting comment on his weekly show about the prevent defenses. Said OU was shutting them down, but then Texas was facing a different defense the last 5 minutes down two TDs. Basically said Lincoln Riley screwed up and let UT get back in the game by changing a defense that had been working.

I’ll be honest in that I can’t stand watching B12 games for this reason, and it seems common in games, almost to the point of it feeling fixed to make them more competitive to keep interest.

Interesting, but IMO it just reflects a reality of the sport these days beyond the Big 12. That is, "miracle comebacks" that the stats say have only a 1 in 100 or more chance of happening seem to be really common across college football, and in the NFL as well.

Before just a few years ago if a team got up by 14 or more points, it would win just about every time. Nowadays, it seems that every week in either CFB or the NFL some team is down by more than that but rallies to win.

(10-14-2020 09:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 07:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 10:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  Tom Herman made an interesting comment on his weekly show about the prevent defenses. Said OU was shutting them down, but then Texas was facing a different defense the last 5 minutes down two TDs. Basically said Lincoln Riley screwed up and let UT get back in the game by changing a defense that had been working.

I’ll be honest in that I can’t stand watching B12 games for this reason, and it seems common in games, almost to the point of it feeling fixed to make them more competitive to keep interest.

Interesting, but IMO it just reflects a reality of the sport these days beyond the Big 12. That is, "miracle comebacks" that the stats say have only a 1 in 100 or more chance of happening seem to be really common across college football, and in the NFL as well.

Before just a few years ago if a team got up by 14 or more points, it would win just about every time. Nowadays, it seems that every week in either CFB or the NFL some team is down by more than that but rallies to win.

Especially in the Big 12, holding on pass plays is permitted. Basically the only time holding is called is if the guy gets tackled. In the Big 12 even that doesn't guarantee it-they only call it on running plays. In the SEC they won't call it on running plays. So that gives the passers more time to pick defenses apart. And with 7 on 7 leagues and high schools passing, there are more QBs that can pick any defense apart.

(10-14-2020 09:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 09:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 07:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 10:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  Tom Herman made an interesting comment on his weekly show about the prevent defenses. Said OU was shutting them down, but then Texas was facing a different defense the last 5 minutes down two TDs. Basically said Lincoln Riley screwed up and let UT get back in the game by changing a defense that had been working.

I’ll be honest in that I can’t stand watching B12 games for this reason, and it seems common in games, almost to the point of it feeling fixed to make them more competitive to keep interest.

Interesting, but IMO it just reflects a reality of the sport these days beyond the Big 12. That is, "miracle comebacks" that the stats say have only a 1 in 100 or more chance of happening seem to be really common across college football, and in the NFL as well.

Before just a few years ago if a team got up by 14 or more points, it would win just about every time. Nowadays, it seems that every week in either CFB or the NFL some team is down by more than that but rallies to win.

Especially in the Big 12, holding on pass plays is permitted. Basically the only time holding is called is if the guy gets tackled. In the Big 12 even that doesn't guarantee it-they only call it on running plays. In the SEC they won't call it on running plays. So that gives the passers more time to pick defenses apart. And with 7 on 7 leagues and high schools passing, there are more QBs that can pick any defense apart.

It really is getting weird. E.g, in the NFL this year, the Falcons have already blown two "insurmountable" leads on a par with what they blew in the Super Bowl a few years ago. But it's not just them - my LA Rams trailed the Bills 28-3 in the 3rd Q the other week and rallied to take a 35-31 lead late before losing. The Bucs were down 24-7 to the Chargers right before the half last week, and rallied to win. It's just happening all over. No lead is safe, it's getting like the NBA where it doesn't matter if you are up 20 or down 20, the game is going to be decided in the last 5 minutes one way or another.

(10-13-2020 10:47 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 10:33 AM)panite Wrote:  I say keep him. Love their losing streak with their higher than thou attitude. They have destroyed the B-12 driving Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M away.

yeah I forgot that they are all doing sooo much better performance wise since they departed

Yeah but 3 out of 4 are making a hell of a lot more money and now I get to watch Nebraska live when they rotate into NJ at Rutgers. I can also catch ATM and Mizzu at South Carolina too when I travel down there in the fall. Texas has always had the opinion that it my way or the highway. Those that could, took the highway to stronger more lucrative conferences.

(10-14-2020 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 09:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 09:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 07:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 10:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  Tom Herman made an interesting comment on his weekly show about the prevent defenses. Said OU was shutting them down, but then Texas was facing a different defense the last 5 minutes down two TDs. Basically said Lincoln Riley screwed up and let UT get back in the game by changing a defense that had been working.

I’ll be honest in that I can’t stand watching B12 games for this reason, and it seems common in games, almost to the point of it feeling fixed to make them more competitive to keep interest.

Interesting, but IMO it just reflects a reality of the sport these days beyond the Big 12. That is, "miracle comebacks" that the stats say have only a 1 in 100 or more chance of happening seem to be really common across college football, and in the NFL as well.

Before just a few years ago if a team got up by 14 or more points, it would win just about every time. Nowadays, it seems that every week in either CFB or the NFL some team is down by more than that but rallies to win.

Especially in the Big 12, holding on pass plays is permitted. Basically the only time holding is called is if the guy gets tackled. In the Big 12 even that doesn't guarantee it-they only call it on running plays. In the SEC they won't call it on running plays. So that gives the passers more time to pick defenses apart. And with 7 on 7 leagues and high schools passing, there are more QBs that can pick any defense apart.

It really is getting weird. E.g, in the NFL this year, the Falcons have already blown two "insurmountable" leads on a par with what they blew in the Super Bowl a few years ago. But it's not just them - my LA Rams trailed the Bills 28-3 in the 3rd Q the other week and rallied to take a 35-31 lead late before losing. The Bucs were down 24-7 to the Chargers right before the half last week, and rallied to win. It's just happening all over. No lead is safe, it's getting like the NBA where it doesn't matter if you are up 20 or down 20, the game is going to be decided in the last 5 minutes one way or another.

I don’t think the comeback has to be complete to feel off. If you’re up by at least 3 scores and somehow only survive by less than 2, something definitely happened or changed there, and I doubt it’s just “the spirit to compete.” And the game suffers from that. It does feel inauthentic.

The NBA really used to suffer from this, and still does. Only there, you usually can see a team take its foot off the gas for whatever reason. Like, having a 10-point lead is one thing, but when a team can race back when down nearly 20? And still in the fourth? Yeah. Something ain’t right.

(10-14-2020 12:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 09:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 09:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 07:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I’ll be honest in that I can’t stand watching B12 games for this reason, and it seems common in games, almost to the point of it feeling fixed to make them more competitive to keep interest.

Interesting, but IMO it just reflects a reality of the sport these days beyond the Big 12. That is, "miracle comebacks" that the stats say have only a 1 in 100 or more chance of happening seem to be really common across college football, and in the NFL as well.

Before just a few years ago if a team got up by 14 or more points, it would win just about every time. Nowadays, it seems that every week in either CFB or the NFL some team is down by more than that but rallies to win.

Especially in the Big 12, holding on pass plays is permitted. Basically the only time holding is called is if the guy gets tackled. In the Big 12 even that doesn't guarantee it-they only call it on running plays. In the SEC they won't call it on running plays. So that gives the passers more time to pick defenses apart. And with 7 on 7 leagues and high schools passing, there are more QBs that can pick any defense apart.

It really is getting weird. E.g, in the NFL this year, the Falcons have already blown two "insurmountable" leads on a par with what they blew in the Super Bowl a few years ago. But it's not just them - my LA Rams trailed the Bills 28-3 in the 3rd Q the other week and rallied to take a 35-31 lead late before losing. The Bucs were down 24-7 to the Chargers right before the half last week, and rallied to win. It's just happening all over. No lead is safe, it's getting like the NBA where it doesn't matter if you are up 20 or down 20, the game is going to be decided in the last 5 minutes one way or another.

I don’t think the comeback has to be complete to feel off. If you’re up by at least 3 scores and somehow only survive by less than 2, something definitely happened or changed there, and I doubt it’s just “the spirit to compete.” And the game suffers from that. It does feel inauthentic.

The NBA really used to suffer from this, and still does. Only there, you usually can see a team take its foot off the gas for whatever reason. Like, having a 10-point lead is one thing, but when a team can race back when down nearly 20? And still in the fourth? Yeah. Something ain’t right.

No. College football is college kids. Their effort and emotion ebbs and flows.
In the NBA, they have such a long season and long game, the effort within the game changes.
NFL usually had constant effort.

(10-14-2020 09:42 AM)panite Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 10:47 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(10-13-2020 10:33 AM)panite Wrote:  I say keep him. Love their losing streak with their higher than thou attitude. They have destroyed the B-12 driving Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M away.

yeah I forgot that they are all doing sooo much better performance wise since they departed

Yeah but 3 out of 4 are making a hell of a lot more money and now I get to watch Nebraska live when they rotate into NJ at Rutgers. I can also catch ATM and Mizzu at South Carolina too when I travel down there in the fall. Texas has always had the opinion that it my way or the highway. Those that could, took the highway to stronger more lucrative conferences.

ahh gotcha.. we are crap on the field and on the court, but hey we are making money and as a corn fan we get to hit NJ every few years..

I don’t have any sympathy for Nebraska and Texas A&M. They were part of the problem in the Big XII. They along Texas and Oklahoma were getting more money compared to the other eight. They were as greedy as the school they like to blame for everything: Texas. So no tears for those two. Missouri is extremely lucky to be where they are and Colorado is where they always wanted to be: with their peers in the West Coast.

(10-14-2020 02:12 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don’t have any sympathy for Nebraska and Texas A&M. They were part of the problem in the Big XII. They along Texas and Oklahoma were getting more money compared to the other eight. They were as greedy as the school they like to blame for everything: Texas. So no tears for those two. Missouri is extremely lucky to be where they are and Colorado is where they always wanted to be: with their peers in the West Coast.

No idea why some discuss TAMU and Nebraska in the same breath. Nebraska is unsettled and angsty in the B1G but addicted to the checks. TAMU is happy as a clam in the SEC.

(10-14-2020 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:12 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don’t have any sympathy for Nebraska and Texas A&M. They were part of the problem in the Big XII. They along Texas and Oklahoma were getting more money compared to the other eight. They were as greedy as the school they like to blame for everything: Texas. So no tears for those two. Missouri is extremely lucky to be where they are and Colorado is where they always wanted to be: with their peers in the West Coast.

No idea why some discuss TAMU and Nebraska in the same breath. Nebraska is unsettled and angsty in the B1G but addicted to the checks. TAMU is happy as a clam in the SEC.

Colorado and Texas A&M are where they belong. No question about that. Missouri and Nebraska are debatable but they’re in the most stable conferences.

(10-14-2020 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:12 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don’t have any sympathy for Nebraska and Texas A&M. They were part of the problem in the Big XII. They along Texas and Oklahoma were getting more money compared to the other eight. They were as greedy as the school they like to blame for everything: Texas. So no tears for those two. Missouri is extremely lucky to be where they are and Colorado is where they always wanted to be: with their peers in the West Coast.

No idea why some discuss TAMU and Nebraska in the same breath. Nebraska is unsettled and angsty in the B1G but addicted to the checks. TAMU is happy as a clam in the SEC.

Even if we had a reset button and had a complete conference do-over, I can't imagine any scenario where Nebraska fans would really be happy.

(10-14-2020 05:00 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:12 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don’t have any sympathy for Nebraska and Texas A&M. They were part of the problem in the Big XII. They along Texas and Oklahoma were getting more money compared to the other eight. They were as greedy as the school they like to blame for everything: Texas. So no tears for those two. Missouri is extremely lucky to be where they are and Colorado is where they always wanted to be: with their peers in the West Coast.

No idea why some discuss TAMU and Nebraska in the same breath. Nebraska is unsettled and angsty in the B1G but addicted to the checks. TAMU is happy as a clam in the SEC.

Even if we had a reset button and had a complete conference do-over, I can't imagine any scenario where Nebraska fans would really be happy.

If Nebraska was playing Oklahoma every year, they’d be happy IMO. They’d love the round robin XII. Just not the “skip Oklahoma for 2 years” XII.

(10-14-2020 05:27 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 05:00 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:12 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don’t have any sympathy for Nebraska and Texas A&M. They were part of the problem in the Big XII. They along Texas and Oklahoma were getting more money compared to the other eight. They were as greedy as the school they like to blame for everything: Texas. So no tears for those two. Missouri is extremely lucky to be where they are and Colorado is where they always wanted to be: with their peers in the West Coast.

No idea why some discuss TAMU and Nebraska in the same breath. Nebraska is unsettled and angsty in the B1G but addicted to the checks. TAMU is happy as a clam in the SEC.

Even if we had a reset button and had a complete conference do-over, I can't imagine any scenario where Nebraska fans would really be happy.

If Nebraska was playing Oklahoma every year, they’d be happy IMO. They’d love the round robin XII. Just not the “skip Oklahoma for 2 years” XII.

Therein lies the problem. If two joined the Big 12 and Nebraska was one of them they wouldn't have a round robin anymore, unless they agreed to 11 conference games (which would be cool but won't happen).

IMO the Big 12's fate hinges on what ESPN decides to do when it is time to bid on their rights. If ESPN goes all out to acquire all of their rights (and OU's T3 contract is part of that and up for renewal in '22) then I can see ESPN spending the cash to try to attract enough PAC product to join them that they could have their 9 PM slot covered and pony up some more cash for the added content. If ESPN doesn't go after their rights in a substantive way then I look for key pieces to move. I don't see status quo at roughly the same payout and I don't see a bigger payout for what amounts to the football rights of Texas and Oklahoma and the basketball rights of Kansas. So the latter seems to say to me that movement is possible if not likely and the former says ESPN will rebuild a conference around Texas and Oklahoma.

We'll see and the OU T3 rights will likely be a good tell as to what happens.

(10-14-2020 03:00 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:12 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don’t have any sympathy for Nebraska and Texas A&M. They were part of the problem in the Big XII. They along Texas and Oklahoma were getting more money compared to the other eight. They were as greedy as the school they like to blame for everything: Texas. So no tears for those two. Missouri is extremely lucky to be where they are and Colorado is where they always wanted to be: with their peers in the West Coast.

No idea why some discuss TAMU and Nebraska in the same breath. Nebraska is unsettled and angsty in the B1G but addicted to the checks. TAMU is happy as a clam in the SEC.

Colorado and Texas A&M are where they belong. No question about that. Missouri and Nebraska are debatable but they’re in the most stable conferences.

I think Mizzou would be happiest in the B1G, moreso than Nebraska is. But they are also fine with being in the SEC, whereas Nebraska would not be.

(10-14-2020 05:00 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 02:12 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I don’t have any sympathy for Nebraska and Texas A&M. They were part of the problem in the Big XII. They along Texas and Oklahoma were getting more money compared to the other eight. They were as greedy as the school they like to blame for everything: Texas. So no tears for those two. Missouri is extremely lucky to be where they are and Colorado is where they always wanted to be: with their peers in the West Coast.

No idea why some discuss TAMU and Nebraska in the same breath. Nebraska is unsettled and angsty in the B1G but addicted to the checks. TAMU is happy as a clam in the SEC.

Even if we had a reset button and had a complete conference do-over, I can't imagine any scenario where Nebraska fans would really be happy.

Yes, because what they want is the Big 8, and that can't exist any more.

But I do think they thought the B1G would be a lot better than it has turned out to be. They just have not gelled there.

(10-11-2020 10:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  Hermann has been handicapped by the horrendous recruiting by Charlie Strong. Texas had inferior talent to OU during the Strong era and inferior to several other Big 12 teams. Even Saturday, the difference in quality of the receivers vs. OU was dramatic and important. Texas just doesn't have the depth yet to be a top flight team. We'll see next year when Hermann has had enough recruiting time. But he will be breaking in a new QB.

I am sure he will get more than one year after this season. The recruiting is one reason, but a better point, just hiring new coaches every three years won't make Texas a winner.

(10-14-2020 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  No. College football is college kids. Their effort and emotion ebbs and flows.
In the NBA, they have such a long season and long game, the effort within the game changes.
NFL usually had constant effort.

Effort ebbs and flows regardless of the level. In the Big XII, I wonder if it’s more lousy coaching, time management, and play calling, terrible defensive fundamentals, awful officiating, or something maybe worse by way of interference (and I only put it out there because it was happening in the PAC).

A few years ago, the Eagles choked in a game against Carolina. If you ever listen to sports radio, tv, and print from this area, you know the game was analyzed like it was a science. It really came down to bad game management, but, in the pro level, unlike college, it felt possible and probable to do. Better use and understanding of time at the pro level...I get the impression Big XII may, at best, just exemplify the amateurish divide between pro and college more than other conferences.

Tom Herman went (if I counted right) went 3-0 against top 10 teams at Houston. If he can't do it, about the only person left to try might be Art Briles.

Honestly, this might sound borderline blasphemous to some, but I'm not so sure it should be a given that you should be great if you're in the state of Texas. Texas and Texas A&M both have brobdingnagian revenue but don't have the results on the field anywhere near corresponding with that. The level of success of G5 Texas teams has been limited as well as at the FCS, too.