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My observation is that it helps for the school to have a chip on its shoulder. Texas, Michigan, and UNC don't carry that social chip on their collective shoulders. OSU, Clemson, FSU, Bama, etc., have a cultural chip on their shoulders.
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(10-12-2020 06:49 PM)Statefan Wrote:  My observation is that it helps for the school to have a chip on its shoulder. Texas, Michigan, and UNC don't carry that social chip on their collective shoulders. OSU, Clemson, FSU, Bama, etc., have a cultural chip on their shoulders.

So where does N.C. State carry their chip? You might say you can't have a chip on your shoulder if your nose is in the air. That would be UNC, Texas, & Michigan. It would seem to me that the University of North Carolina System has denied you guys anything but a kick in the pants from the haughty toity crowd!
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Well Mack did have the best record and the most poll points in the AP poll in the 2000-2009 period. And with a couple small breaks could have possibly had 3 MNCs in 5 years. In 2008 they sent OU to the championship game despite losing head to head to Texas because it was a 3 way tie. They changed the rules the next year, so that if the same situation happened again, Texas would have gone. OU lost in the title game by the same 10 points they lost to Texas by. In 2009, the UT QB and team captain got injured on a freak play at the goal line on the 2nd series. Texas was in shock and fell from 6-0 to 6-24. Still with a QB who took the team to a 5-7 record the next year with a record number of INTs (and he turned the ball over 5 or 6 times in this game), Texas cut the lead to 24-21 before a couple more Gilbert TOs lead to the final 37-21 score. If UT's QB had been hit a half inch either way, he wouldn't have had the numbness. If he hadn't been hit in the same spot by KSU 3 years earlier, this hit may not have impacted him.

So a couple breaks and there might well have been 3 titles.
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Schools like Texas should always hire somebody else's successful head coach. They have plenty of money in the Athletic Department to be able to afford anyone they wished. If they keep hiring somebody's Coordinator for what is arguably the top job in the country they are gong to keep getting guys who are not equipped to run a program and function as its CEO. OU has that problem right now. And quite frankly the younger the coach the less likely it is they know how to teach the fundamentals of the game for each position, which as head coach they don't have to do, but they need to know a good teacher for each position when they see one.

Since Mack left Texas has suffered under people not equipped with the skill set of position of Head Coach at Texas. And by hiring a coordinator they frequently hire somebody else's recruiting guy only to have them delegate what they actually know how to do when they get to Texas.

If Texas wants to make a solid move they'd go after the whole Clemson staff. Saban is too old to have a future. Urban is possible. And Patterson is solid in Texas. There are no top notch coaches in the PAC except for Peterson and he won't move for family reasons. Ohio State has the best in the Big 10. Franklin would be a bad fit for Texas. Gus is lucky to still be at Auburn. Mullen might be a decent get. But that's about it.
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(10-12-2020 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Schools like Texas should always hire somebody else's successful head coach. They have plenty of money in the Athletic Department to be able to afford anyone they wished. If they keep hiring somebody's Coordinator for what is arguably the top job in the country they are gong to keep getting guys who are not equipped to run a program and function as its CEO. OU has that problem right now. And quite frankly the younger the coach the less likely it is they know how to teach the fundamentals of the game for each position, which as head coach they don't have to do, but they need to know a good teacher for each position when they see one.

Since Mack left Texas has suffered under people not equipped with the skill set of position of Head Coach at Texas. And by hiring a coordinator they frequently hire somebody else's recruiting guy only to have them delegate what they actually know how to do when they get to Texas.

If Texas wants to make a solid move they'd go after the whole Clemson staff. Saban is too old to have a future. Urban is possible. And Patterson is solid in Texas. There are no top notch coaches in the PAC except for Peterson and he won't move for family reasons. Ohio State has the best in the Big 10. Franklin would be a bad fit for Texas. Gus is lucky to still be at Auburn. Mullen might be a decent get. But that's about it.

Chris Petersen resigned as Washington's coach in 2018. Probably you meant Mario Cristobal at Oregon?
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(10-12-2020 08:50 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Schools like Texas should always hire somebody else's successful head coach. They have plenty of money in the Athletic Department to be able to afford anyone they wished. If they keep hiring somebody's Coordinator for what is arguably the top job in the country they are gong to keep getting guys who are not equipped to run a program and function as its CEO. OU has that problem right now. And quite frankly the younger the coach the less likely it is they know how to teach the fundamentals of the game for each position, which as head coach they don't have to do, but they need to know a good teacher for each position when they see one.

Since Mack left Texas has suffered under people not equipped with the skill set of position of Head Coach at Texas. And by hiring a coordinator they frequently hire somebody else's recruiting guy only to have them delegate what they actually know how to do when they get to Texas.

If Texas wants to make a solid move they'd go after the whole Clemson staff. Saban is too old to have a future. Urban is possible. And Patterson is solid in Texas. There are no top notch coaches in the PAC except for Peterson and he won't move for family reasons. Ohio State has the best in the Big 10. Franklin would be a bad fit for Texas. Gus is lucky to still be at Auburn. Mullen might be a decent get. But that's about it.

Chris Petersen resigned as Washington's coach in 2018. Probably you meant Mario Cristobal at Oregon?

Nope I meant Peterson. That shows you how much I keep up with PAC football. Peterson has a special needs child which was why he was so careful even about leaving Boise to go to Washington. If he resigned in 2018 I'm not surprised. But he was a solid coach in teaching fundamentals. It's why I had him in mind. There simply aren't many left and the kids coming out of high school aren't learning any at all.

It's why defenses are going away. In high school coaches put the best athletes on offense and everyone else on defense and hope for the best. When kids get to college now the coaches spend so much time recruiting Spring is about the only time they have to work on fundamentals and there aren't many of the old college coaches around that taught technique. Auburn has one on defense in Steele, but not Gus. Saban teaches fundamentals on defense and expects his coordinators to do so. Kirby will be fine at Georgia because he learned how.

The lack of fundamental skills were evident this past weekend in the RRR, and the Ole Miss Alabama game. Saban hasn't found the right guy at DC yet and it shows. L.S.U. lost way too many coaches after last year and Coach O is again without a solid staff and that shows too.

Clemson is one of the few I've seen this year that looks solid on both sides of the ball. I'm waiting to see what OSU puts on the field. But the Big 12 is bereft of defensive talent outside of some well coached 3 stars at KState and Iowa State.

So far this year Clemson is tops, Georgia is growing into 2nd, and everything else is suspect. I'm looking forward to see how Kirby's offense does against Bama and how Bama's offense does against Kirby's D.
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(10-12-2020 06:49 PM)Statefan Wrote:  My observation is that it helps for the school to have a chip on its shoulder. Texas, Michigan, and UNC don't carry that social chip on their collective shoulders. OSU, Clemson, FSU, Bama, etc., have a cultural chip on their shoulders.

I think the bigger issue is that schools like UNC, Michigan and Texas did not follow the same model of hegemony as OSU:

- UNC should not have allowed any of the other 3 NC schools in the ACC; ditto for Michigan/B10 and Texas for the Big 12.
- Ensure that your university gets the lion's share of the state funding at the expense of the other universities in the state.
- Ensure the state name your mascot the state animal, the alma mater/fight song as the state song, etc.
- Doesn't hurt Ohio State that the professional sports teams are garbage (Cleveland Browns, Cincinnati Bengals/Reds) have been awful for the better part of 30 years.
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The whole BMDs thing gets blown out of proportion.They all had Macks back til he was sputtering at the tail end. They did not want Chuck, we all know who they wanted and had made discussions with. Mack killed that, and it's even in Paul Finebaum's book.. hell there's even an interview with Tom Hicks talking about it.

Chuck got screwed after the first season as far as personnel, since Mack's best players graduated/left early. There literally was no depth, and Strong wisely took the scholarships players had from Mack in the 15 class..and those players all went to FCS schools of the world.. not one went to a P5 school..that's how bad MACK was at the end. Strong recruited well in the 15 class, but starting soo many true freshmen and RS freshmen is a bad thing. Lots of those players confidence were shattered that season with huge loss after huge loss. As far as X's & O's.. Chuck was terrible.. from staff hiring to coaching decisions on the field. I give Herman a lot of grief but he atleast wasn't as bad as Chuck when it came to the basics. I LOVED Charlie for everything he stood for, unfortunately, it's about wins/losses and a continued improvement..which he didn't have.

Now the Tom hire was on the BMDs out of Houston.. they were convinced that Tom was the guy since he beat ou and fsu. And at the time UT had an intereim AD in Mike Perrine who was just a die hard UT former player.. great guy..but AD? NO. Well they are all friends with him and they convinced him that this was THE HIRE.. they believed Tom was the answer. So what does the inexperienced AD do? He negotiates against himself, with NO PLAN B in sight.

Herman just wasn't ready.. he's used to being the more talented team on Saturdays. He really thinks if you impose your wills, it breaks the other team. That worked at tosu who were recruiting at a tier 1 level (4 top 5 classes in Tressells last 5 seasons). He also had a stacked UH roster.. Well guess what? He did enjoy having the better roster, but in the Big 12 the coaches actually scheme and expose your weaknesses.. he hasn't adapted yet. He hired a bunch of recruiters who were decent but they were in over their heads coaching those positions.

If he had that 2015 or 2016 UH team in the Big12 those seasons.. people really think they would go undefeated? Hell the signs were there, did well in their bigger games then unexpectedly played bad with the teams they were heavily favored against.

He is not coaching Texas next Fall, the money is tight but everyone is done with him. People felt bad for Charlie since he was a stand up guy..who never made excuses.. he would give you an honest answer every week (which really wasn't in his best interests). Tom rubs people the wrong way throughout the Admin and even BMDs aka friends of the program. They of course tolerate it with wins but the performance outside of the opener.. they are tired of it.

Next September they are opening the new South EZ.. if CDC want to make sure the donations return, he can't do it with Tom leading the team.
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(10-12-2020 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Schools like Texas should always hire somebody else's successful head coach. They have plenty of money in the Athletic Department to be able to afford anyone they wished. If they keep hiring somebody's Coordinator for what is arguably the top job in the country they are gong to keep getting guys who are not equipped to run a program and function as its CEO. OU has that problem right now. And quite frankly the younger the coach the less likely it is they know how to teach the fundamentals of the game for each position, which as head coach they don't have to do, but they need to know a good teacher for each position when they see one.

Since Mack left Texas has suffered under people not equipped with the skill set of position of Head Coach at Texas. And by hiring a coordinator they frequently hire somebody else's recruiting guy only to have them delegate what they actually know how to do when they get to Texas.

If Texas wants to make a solid move they'd go after the whole Clemson staff. Saban is too old to have a future. Urban is possible. And Patterson is solid in Texas. There are no top notch coaches in the PAC except for Peterson and he won't move for family reasons. Ohio State has the best in the Big 10. Franklin would be a bad fit for Texas. Gus is lucky to still be at Auburn. Mullen might be a decent get. But that's about it.

Did it seem like there used to be more great coaches? Supply seems to be pretty limited these days. Maybe the political side of the job means the Bill Snyder types don't get big jobs. A DKR who can schmooze and do the Xs and Os both great are few and far between.
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(10-13-2020 10:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Schools like Texas should always hire somebody else's successful head coach. They have plenty of money in the Athletic Department to be able to afford anyone they wished. If they keep hiring somebody's Coordinator for what is arguably the top job in the country they are gong to keep getting guys who are not equipped to run a program and function as its CEO. OU has that problem right now. And quite frankly the younger the coach the less likely it is they know how to teach the fundamentals of the game for each position, which as head coach they don't have to do, but they need to know a good teacher for each position when they see one.

Since Mack left Texas has suffered under people not equipped with the skill set of position of Head Coach at Texas. And by hiring a coordinator they frequently hire somebody else's recruiting guy only to have them delegate what they actually know how to do when they get to Texas.

If Texas wants to make a solid move they'd go after the whole Clemson staff. Saban is too old to have a future. Urban is possible. And Patterson is solid in Texas. There are no top notch coaches in the PAC except for Peterson and he won't move for family reasons. Ohio State has the best in the Big 10. Franklin would be a bad fit for Texas. Gus is lucky to still be at Auburn. Mullen might be a decent get. But that's about it.

Did it seem like there used to be more great coaches? Supply seems to be pretty limited these days. Maybe the political side of the job means the Bill Snyder types don't get big jobs. A DKR who can schmooze and do the Xs and Os both great are few and far between.

They don't need a version of DKR that can schmooze.. that's what Chris Del Conte is for and his damn good at it if you look at the money he was able to round up for the complete face lift of the athletic department (in ALL sports).

Texas needs a coach that won't be in over their head. It's a crap shoot. I hear Montgomery was on top of CDC list last season, and I too think he would sputter in Austin. I have no idea who they get but Tom, even with a complete mulligan is continuing to decline. Trot him out there again in 21 and you will see half empty stadiums in Austin.
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(10-12-2020 09:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 08:50 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Schools like Texas should always hire somebody else's successful head coach. They have plenty of money in the Athletic Department to be able to afford anyone they wished. If they keep hiring somebody's Coordinator for what is arguably the top job in the country they are gong to keep getting guys who are not equipped to run a program and function as its CEO. OU has that problem right now. And quite frankly the younger the coach the less likely it is they know how to teach the fundamentals of the game for each position, which as head coach they don't have to do, but they need to know a good teacher for each position when they see one.

Since Mack left Texas has suffered under people not equipped with the skill set of position of Head Coach at Texas. And by hiring a coordinator they frequently hire somebody else's recruiting guy only to have them delegate what they actually know how to do when they get to Texas.

If Texas wants to make a solid move they'd go after the whole Clemson staff. Saban is too old to have a future. Urban is possible. And Patterson is solid in Texas. There are no top notch coaches in the PAC except for Peterson and he won't move for family reasons. Ohio State has the best in the Big 10. Franklin would be a bad fit for Texas. Gus is lucky to still be at Auburn. Mullen might be a decent get. But that's about it.

Chris Petersen resigned as Washington's coach in 2018. Probably you meant Mario Cristobal at Oregon?

Nope I meant Peterson. That shows you how much I keep up with PAC football. Peterson has a special needs child which was why he was so careful even about leaving Boise to go to Washington. If he resigned in 2018 I'm not surprised. But he was a solid coach in teaching fundamentals. It's why I had him in mind. There simply aren't many left and the kids coming out of high school aren't learning any at all.

It's why defenses are going away. In high school coaches put the best athletes on offense and everyone else on defense and hope for the best. When kids get to college now the coaches spend so much time recruiting Spring is about the only time they have to work on fundamentals and there aren't many of the old college coaches around that taught technique. Auburn has one on defense in Steele, but not Gus. Saban teaches fundamentals on defense and expects his coordinators to do so. Kirby will be fine at Georgia because he learned how.

The lack of fundamental skills were evident this past weekend in the RRR, and the Ole Miss Alabama game. Saban hasn't found the right guy at DC yet and it shows. L.S.U. lost way too many coaches after last year and Coach O is again without a solid staff and that shows too.

Clemson is one of the few I've seen this year that looks solid on both sides of the ball. I'm waiting to see what OSU puts on the field. But the Big 12 is bereft of defensive talent outside of some well coached 3 stars at KState and Iowa State.

So far this year Clemson is tops, Georgia is growing into 2nd, and everything else is suspect. I'm looking forward to see how Kirby's offense does against Bama and how Bama's offense does against Kirby's D.

Clemson and Georgia seem to be a step above everyone else. Texas and OU are sloppy and weak on fundamentals, but still look much more talented than most teams I am seeing. If Texas had OU's receivers, nobody would be able to slow them down except Clemson and Georgia.

Tom Herman made an interesting comment on his weekly show about the prevent defenses. Said OU was shutting them down, but then Texas was facing a different defense the last 5 minutes down two TDs. Basically said Lincoln Riley screwed up and let UT get back in the game by changing a defense that had been working.
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(10-13-2020 08:06 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 06:49 PM)Statefan Wrote:  My observation is that it helps for the school to have a chip on its shoulder. Texas, Michigan, and UNC don't carry that social chip on their collective shoulders. OSU, Clemson, FSU, Bama, etc., have a cultural chip on their shoulders.

I think the bigger issue is that schools like UNC, Michigan and Texas did not follow the same model of hegemony as OSU:

- UNC should not have allowed any of the other 3 NC schools in the ACC; ditto for Michigan/B10 and Texas for the Big 12.
- Ensure that your university gets the lion's share of the state funding at the expense of the other universities in the state.
- Ensure the state name your mascot the state animal, the alma mater/fight song as the state song, etc.
- Doesn't hurt Ohio State that the professional sports teams are garbage (Cleveland Browns, Cincinnati Bengals/Reds) have been awful for the better part of 30 years.
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Back when the ACC was formed from the SoCon, UNC didn't have a whole lot of good options at the time, plus, UNC actually enjoyed playing Duke, NC State, and Wake Forest. Furthermore, I am sure that the governor or the lieutenant governor of North Carolina wanted to make sure that NC State was not left out in the cold, especially considering they were and still are the state's oldest land grant. Similar situation with Texas and the other Texas teams.

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(10-13-2020 10:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 09:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 08:50 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Schools like Texas should always hire somebody else's successful head coach. They have plenty of money in the Athletic Department to be able to afford anyone they wished. If they keep hiring somebody's Coordinator for what is arguably the top job in the country they are gong to keep getting guys who are not equipped to run a program and function as its CEO. OU has that problem right now. And quite frankly the younger the coach the less likely it is they know how to teach the fundamentals of the game for each position, which as head coach they don't have to do, but they need to know a good teacher for each position when they see one.

Since Mack left Texas has suffered under people not equipped with the skill set of position of Head Coach at Texas. And by hiring a coordinator they frequently hire somebody else's recruiting guy only to have them delegate what they actually know how to do when they get to Texas.

If Texas wants to make a solid move they'd go after the whole Clemson staff. Saban is too old to have a future. Urban is possible. And Patterson is solid in Texas. There are no top notch coaches in the PAC except for Peterson and he won't move for family reasons. Ohio State has the best in the Big 10. Franklin would be a bad fit for Texas. Gus is lucky to still be at Auburn. Mullen might be a decent get. But that's about it.

Chris Petersen resigned as Washington's coach in 2018. Probably you meant Mario Cristobal at Oregon?

Nope I meant Peterson. That shows you how much I keep up with PAC football. Peterson has a special needs child which was why he was so careful even about leaving Boise to go to Washington. If he resigned in 2018 I'm not surprised. But he was a solid coach in teaching fundamentals. It's why I had him in mind. There simply aren't many left and the kids coming out of high school aren't learning any at all.

It's why defenses are going away. In high school coaches put the best athletes on offense and everyone else on defense and hope for the best. When kids get to college now the coaches spend so much time recruiting Spring is about the only time they have to work on fundamentals and there aren't many of the old college coaches around that taught technique. Auburn has one on defense in Steele, but not Gus. Saban teaches fundamentals on defense and expects his coordinators to do so. Kirby will be fine at Georgia because he learned how.

The lack of fundamental skills were evident this past weekend in the RRR, and the Ole Miss Alabama game. Saban hasn't found the right guy at DC yet and it shows. L.S.U. lost way too many coaches after last year and Coach O is again without a solid staff and that shows too.

Clemson is one of the few I've seen this year that looks solid on both sides of the ball. I'm waiting to see what OSU puts on the field. But the Big 12 is bereft of defensive talent outside of some well coached 3 stars at KState and Iowa State.

So far this year Clemson is tops, Georgia is growing into 2nd, and everything else is suspect. I'm looking forward to see how Kirby's offense does against Bama and how Bama's offense does against Kirby's D.

Clemson and Georgia seem to be a step above everyone else. Texas and OU are sloppy and weak on fundamentals, but still look much more talented than most teams I am seeing. If Texas had OU's receivers, nobody would be able to slow them down except Clemson and Georgia.

Tom Herman made an interesting comment on his weekly show about the prevent defenses. Said OU was shutting them down, but then Texas was facing a different defense the last 5 minutes down two TDs. Basically said Lincoln Riley screwed up and let UT get back in the game by changing a defense that had been working.

Ha! I've heard a few old coaches say if your defense has been working for 55 minutes of the game why change? Prevent defenses only prevent easy wins and frequently lead to last minute losses.
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I say keep him. Love their losing streak with their higher than thou attitude. They have destroyed the B-12 driving Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M away. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 04-bow 01-ncaabbs 04-rock COGS COGS 04-cheers
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(10-13-2020 10:33 AM)panite Wrote:  I say keep him. Love their losing streak with their higher than thou attitude. They have destroyed the B-12 driving Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M away. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 04-bow 01-ncaabbs 04-rock COGS COGS 04-cheers

yeah I forgot that they are all doing sooo much better performance wise since they departed 03-yawn
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(10-13-2020 10:33 AM)panite Wrote:  I say keep him. Love their losing streak with their higher than thou attitude. They have destroyed the B-12 driving Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M away. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 04-bow 01-ncaabbs 04-rock COGS COGS 04-cheers

Speaking for myself, I think the Big 12 has been far more cohesive of a conference after the departures than before. A lot of it came across as real bellyaching for no discernible reason other than being unable to win. I’ll grant concerns about the Longhorn Network but that hasn’t been nearly as powerful as it was initially feared.
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Let me see if I can help with your search. Let's look no further than outside of Ohio.

A little history first with Ohio born coaches.
Paul Brown (Norwalk)
Don Shula (Grand River)
Wayne Woodrow Hayes (Clifton)
Urban Meyer (Toledo)
Bob Stoops (Youngstown)
Jim Tressel (Mentor)
Ara Parseghian (Akron)
Chuck Knoll (Cleveland)
Les Miles (Elyria)
Bo Schembechler (Barberton)
And many more...

Just go ahead and name Luke Fickell (Columbus) your next head coach. He is the right guy for that job. He will play nice with others and everyone will love him.

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(10-13-2020 02:22 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Let me see if I can help with your search. Let's look no further than outside of Ohio.

A little history first with Ohio born coaches.
Paul Brown (Norwalk)
Don Shula (Grand River)
Wayne Woodrow Hayes (Clifton)
Urban Meyer (Toledo)
Bob Stoops (Youngstown)
Jim Tressel (Mentor)
Ara Parseghian (Akron)
Chuck Knoll (Cleveland)
Les Miles (Elyria)
Bo Schembechler (Barberton)
And many more...

Just go ahead and name Luke Fickell (Columbus) your next head coach. He is the right guy for that job. He will play nice with others and everyone will love him.

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Besides Les Miles and Urban Meyer, how many of those Ohio coaches have coached in the South??

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(10-12-2020 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Schools like Texas should always hire somebody else's successful head coach. They have plenty of money in the Athletic Department to be able to afford anyone they wished. If they keep hiring somebody's Coordinator for what is arguably the top job in the country they are gong to keep getting guys who are not equipped to run a program and function as its CEO. OU has that problem right now. And quite frankly the younger the coach the less likely it is they know how to teach the fundamentals of the game for each position, which as head coach they don't have to do, but they need to know a good teacher for each position when they see one.

Since Mack left Texas has suffered under people not equipped with the skill set of position of Head Coach at Texas. And by hiring a coordinator they frequently hire somebody else's recruiting guy only to have them delegate what they actually know how to do when they get to Texas.

If Texas wants to make a solid move they'd go after the whole Clemson staff. Saban is too old to have a future. Urban is possible. And Patterson is solid in Texas. There are no top notch coaches in the PAC except for Peterson and he won't move for family reasons. Ohio State has the best in the Big 10. Franklin would be a bad fit for Texas. Gus is lucky to still be at Auburn. Mullen might be a decent get. But that's about it.

Chris Petersen resigned as Washington's coach in 2018. Probably you meant Mario Cristobal at Oregon?

I know the last 6 months have felt more like 2 years, but Peterson resigned in December 2019. Washington hasn't played a regular season game yet without him.

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RE: Opinion: Tom Hermann must go!!
(10-13-2020 02:40 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 02:22 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Let me see if I can help with your search. Let's look no further than outside of Ohio.

A little history first with Ohio born coaches.
Paul Brown (Norwalk)
Don Shula (Grand River)
Wayne Woodrow Hayes (Clifton)
Urban Meyer (Toledo)
Bob Stoops (Youngstown)
Jim Tressel (Mentor)
Ara Parseghian (Akron)
Chuck Knoll (Cleveland)
Les Miles (Elyria)
Bo Schembechler (Barberton)
And many more...

Just go ahead and name Luke Fickell (Columbus) your next head coach. He is the right guy for that job. He will play nice with others and everyone will love him.

You're welcome!
Besides Les Miles and Urban Meyer, how many of those Ohio coaches have coached in the South??

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