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OT: Wichita State's Gregg Marshall Under Investigation
...for allegations of physical and verbal abuse. I wonder what happens if Greg survives this and on the flip what happens to WSU hoops if he gets canned?

Quote:If Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall survives his school's internal investigation into his potential abusive behavior, it'll only be because he's been so successful. And because he's so powerful. And because he has major allies both inside and outside of the Wichita State athletic department.

But, make no mistake, if Marshall really did punch Shaq Morris during a practice in 2015 -- as Morris claimed in an interview with Stadium published late Thursday -- he undeniably crossed a line that cannot be crossed. And if it costs Marshall his job, he'll have only himself to blame.

The allegations are troubling.

More than 30 current and former members of Wichita State's program told Stadium that Marshall has been both verbally and physically abusive for much of his tenure, which played a role in seven players transferring after the end of last season. The most serious allegation comes from Morris. It was delivered on the record and confirmed by multiple former players who detailed an incident at a practice in October 2015 that happened after Morris fouled teammate Zach Brown in a way that caused Brown to land awkwardly.

"I went over to help [Brown] up, and as I was helping him up to make sure he was okay, 'Bam' -- I'm struck on the left side of my face with a punch," Morris said. "I turned back with my fists ready to punch or swing. I don't know who did what -- and I see Marshall standing there. I turned around and started walking out."

Wichita State's internal investigation could obviously lead to Marshall, a 57-year-old former Naismith Coach of the Year, losing his job despite the fact that he's taken the Shockers to seven of the past eight NCAA Tournaments and all the way to the Final Four in 2013. And if Marshall does lose his job over this, hopefully it'll send a message -- another message -- to college coaches from coast to coast that the days of bully-coaching should be completely in the past. To be clear, not everybody puts their hands on players like Marshall allegedly did. But far too many coaches, even Hall of Fame coaches, have spent their careers yelling and screaming, constantly demeaning and ridiculing their players in ways that should be unacceptable, and would be unacceptable, if not for the weird power dynamic that exists on many campuses.

I've seen it with my own eyes.

No college professor would ever be allowed to talk to a student the way so many college coaches talk to student-athletes. It's crazy. But it's also very common, mostly because, I guess, it's just always been that way. There's a line between motivating and humiliating, and coaches cross that line all the time -- usually behind closed doors in practices shielded from the public, but sometimes even on national television during games. Things you rarely see NBA coaches do or say college coaches do and say all the time to the point where it's normalized, rationalized and excused. As a result, even in the year 2020, fans are still more likely to laugh than be offended when a college coach absolutely loses his mind on a college player.

Is that really OK?

I've argued, for a while now, that it's not. You don't have to humiliate someone to motivate them. You don't have to demean someone to push them. And putting your hands on anybody is way out of bounds.

Gregg Marshall should've learned this lesson from Bob Knight's demise. And if not Bob Knight's demise, then Mike Rice's. It's not like coaches haven't been fired for less than what Marshall allegedly did, which makes all of this difficult to comprehend unless it's simply rooted in anger-management issues that have never been properly addressed. I won't try to make that diagnosis from a distance. But with yet another prominent person on the verge of maybe losing his job for the way he allegedly treated his players, it's fair to wonder if this will finally be the wake-up call too many in the college coaching profession need.

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(10-09-2020 05:25 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

Him and his crazy wife are a perfect pair.
 
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Check out the thread on the AAC board. Lots of info.

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What a sweetheart he is
 
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(10-09-2020 05:58 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

Just based upon that, I'm guessing Marshall will be gone soon.

Interesting to hear them briefly discuss Huggins and even Frank Martin about midway through.
 
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Next stop West Texas State. Either that or he gets counselling. Now that it is in the open, who would agree to play for him? I am shocked that one of the players just have too much and beat the hell out of him. Anyone who play ages ago heard "stop tackling like a girl or a possy or a pansy. Never saw a coach hit a player might grab you by the jersey.
 
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Did we keep the receipt ?
 
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(10-10-2020 07:10 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Did we keep the receipt ?

Yeah...that program is about to turn right back into a pumpkin here in short order...
 
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The jerk store called. They are running out of him.
 
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What was the story on his wife, when they played here?
 
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Marshall has the personal backing of the most powerful man in Kansas. Makes sense why he's gotten away with this for so long.

If he gets axed, Charles Koch will have plenty of money to hire another lucrative candidate to the school.

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(10-10-2020 11:16 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Marshall has the personal backing of the most powerful man in Kansas. Makes sense why he's gotten away with this for so long.

If he gets axed, Charles Koch will have plenty of money to hire another lucrative candidate to the school.

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Marshall chocked his assistant coach where as Pitino chocked assistant coaches wives.
 
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(10-10-2020 11:37 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-10-2020 11:16 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Marshall has the personal backing of the most powerful man in Kansas. Makes sense why he's gotten away with this for so long.

If he gets axed, Charles Koch will have plenty of money to hire another lucrative candidate to the school.

[Image: pitino_titus_getty_ringer.jpg]

those of us that had the honor of watching UC Basketball practices over the years from yates to Huggins know that Coach Huggins was very rough verbally against his players during practices but those players bought into the system and understood it was motivational under Huggs. Today most young men go into college and doesn't know what discipline is and how it motivates and bring that player to a higher level of performance. Most coaches do a lot of yelling in sports. Huggins never grabbed a player like Bobby Knight used to at IU. If proof exists of Marshall's coach doing that, then he should be ousted. But only if they have proof. Anybody can make claims to help their cause. Just look how Brett Kavanaugh was accused of with lies from the supposed victims that were later found to be made up.
 
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(10-10-2020 08:16 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  The jerk store called. They are running out of him.

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7 scholarship players and a walk on transferred out this year. It was clear something was going awry in that program.
 
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(10-10-2020 11:37 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(10-10-2020 11:16 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Marshall has the personal backing of the most powerful man in Kansas. Makes sense why he's gotten away with this for so long.

If he gets axed, Charles Koch will have plenty of money to hire another lucrative candidate to the school.

[Image: pitino_titus_getty_ringer.jpg]

Pitino would turn Wichita into a monster.
 
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