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How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
I know I'm wasting my time saying this but: PLEASE don't fight the hypothetical! Anyway, here's the scenario:

1) B1G invite KU and UVa. Are told,"We need to bring along our 'little brother'." Big 10 agrees

2) PAC XII Invites OU and UT, are ALSO told "little bro comes along". PAC is like,"Cool with us, PAC-16!"

3) POTUS instructs SECDEF that AFA and Navy must go Indy

As a result:

1) What's left of the BIG XII joins the AAC

2) MWC stands pat

What, if anything, does the ACC do?
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
Anyone see Van Halen live?

What’s the best Van Halen concert of all-time? Tokyo Dome in ‘89?
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
(10-08-2020 05:09 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I know I'm wasting my time saying this but: PLEASE don't fight the hypothetical! Anyway, here's the scenario:

1) B1G invite KU and UVa. Are told,"We need to bring along our 'little brother'." Big 10 agrees

2) PAC XII Invites OU and UT, are ALSO told "little bro comes along". PAC is like,"Cool with us, PAC-16!"

3) POTUS instructs SECDEF that AFA and Navy must go Indy

As a result:

1) What's left of the BIG XII joins the AAC

2) MWC stands pat

What, if anything, does the ACC do?

IF B1G invites KU, it would NOT take KSU. KU would receive an invitation only with someone like UT or OU.
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
Ok, so....

B1G
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East
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Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Virginia
Virginia Tech


West
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Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Kansas State

Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin



SEC
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East
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Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

West
-----
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M



Pac 16
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North
-----

California
Oregon
Oregon state
Southern California
Stanford
UCLA
Washington
Washington State

South
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Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Texas
Texas Tech

Utah



AAC
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East
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Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut (Or whoever will replace UConn)
Iowa State
East Carolina
South Florida
Temple
West Virginia

West
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Baylor
Houston
Memphis
Navy - football only
SMU
Texas Christian
Tulane
Tulsa




ACC
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North
-----
Coastal
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Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
Pittsburgh
North Carolina
North Carolina State

Atlantic
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Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Louisville
Syracuse
Wake Forest



Ok, under this scenario the ACC does nothing. They are at a very manageable 12 schools and only lost 1 state.

They could add WVU and Cincy and add 2 more states, and if that's what ESPN says is necessary to maximize TV money, then they will probably go that way.
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
Thanks Chris! A couple points:

1) In this scenario Navy goes COMPLETELY Indy

2) I'd split the PAC-16 E/W

3) I thought UCONN had finalized plans to leave the AAC

I JUST NOTICED you split the PAC that way, just used different division names.
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I don’t want to blast this but the opening move isn’t going to happen. Kansas and UVA aren’t big enough to move the needle for the Big are and certainly aren’t going to be able to demand in-state non-AAU tag-a-longs.

This not occurring pretty much ensures that none of those other dominoes fall.

Oklahoma and/or Texas will be the catalysts that trigger the next realignment.
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
(10-08-2020 05:09 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I know I'm wasting my time saying this but: PLEASE don't fight the hypothetical! Anyway, here's the scenario:

1) B1G invite KU and UVa. Are told,"We need to bring along our 'little brother'." Big 10 agree....

I stopped here. Why would the B1G share all that loot with four schools that add no value?
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(10-08-2020 05:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Anyone see Van Halen live?

What’s the best Van Halen concert of all-time? Tokyo Dome in ‘89?

I saw Van Halen 7 times between1981 - 2015.

The Live at Tokyo Dome CD is awesome. Has to be fronted by DLR.

RIP EVH, the GOAT.
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Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?
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(10-08-2020 06:07 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?

Football accounts for 80% of the tv contact’s value. Being great at basketball doesn’t have nearly the same financial impact as a strong football program
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(10-08-2020 06:07 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?

Because hoops is a small part of value.
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Muskie: I didn't realize the share was THAT outta whack!
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(10-08-2020 06:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 06:07 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?

Because hoops is a small part of value.


I am with Quo on this. People bring KU and other football lightweights to the B10– it isn’t happening. The B10 already has enough football weak sisters in Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, etc. Ohio State, PSU, Michigan and Wisconsin aren’t adding more schools that struggle to win 4 games a year.
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(10-08-2020 06:40 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 06:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 06:07 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?

Because hoops is a small part of value.


I am with Quo on this. People bring KU and other football lightweights to the B10– it isn’t happening. The B10 already has enough football weak sisters in Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, etc. Ohio State, PSU, Michigan and Wisconsin aren’t adding more schools that struggle to win 4 games a year.

The Big Ten could stomach Kansas but only if they were paired with a real football blueblood like Oklahoma.

Here’s an interesting thought—if the Big Ten were to add Oklahoma and Missouri who would be the SEC’s 14th? If Texas said they’d come but only if they could pick 2 companions would the SEC take that deal?
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
Hmmm...

If ACC loses Va, VT and the Big 12 is down to WV, ISU, TCU, and Baylor....

I could see the ACC taking the Big 12 leftovers.
WV makes geographic sense and has history with old Big East schools
ISU has a good academic rep and great fan base
TCU and Baylor bring the state of Texas.

And finishing off the Big 12 means the P5 now has been reduced to the P4.
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(10-08-2020 06:07 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?

Kansas would have been homeless if the Big 12 had failed a few years ago. The other major conferences weren’t looking to improve their Olympic sports. Not much has changed since then.
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(10-08-2020 06:26 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Muskie: I didn't realize the share was THAT outta whack!


The only way this changes is if the P5, Big East, and a couple other conferences tell the NCAA "you know what? We're gonna run our own basketball tourney from now on. Thanks" ...

Then the billions of dollars that the NCAA gets from this tourney will suddenly go to those few "big" conferences, and suddenly make the basketball programs more relevant (although not overtaking the football side of things).

This kind of scenario could actually come to pass, especially as athletic departments try to find new sources of revenue in the aftermath of COVID and 2020.
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Goofus: would the ACC want the American schools nearby?
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No
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(10-08-2020 08:34 PM)Mr Hyde Wrote:  Kansas would have been homeless if the Big 12 had failed a few years ago. The other major conferences weren’t looking to improve their Olympic sports. Not much has changed since then.

The pre-2013 Big East was working on a plan to bring in Kansas and three other Big 12 schools if they had gone under.
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