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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
From what I heard.. UT gave Arkansas it's blessing to join the SEC. UT knew the SWC days were numbered, I'm not sure how UT was being a bully in the SWC.. I do think they got tired of the cheating that got way out of hand and left a black eye.. From SMU to the FedEx a&m scandal.
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
If UT ever left the Big XII, would A&M ever consider returning?
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No, A&M had for some time considered the SEC as their dream conference.
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
Well if those teams left then Baylor, TCU, Iowa State and West Virginia would still hold the rights to the Big12 name and would collect all the buyouts. They wouldn’t be looking to join Conference AAC, but the other way around. They would go after teams of interest and within a footprint of a conference.

Maybe just maybe hit the tires on a old mate and see would Nebraska be interested. This would put them back within their stomping grounds and put them as one of if not the big fish of the pond so to say. You also have to remember how upset they were with the conference with the shut down, and let’s face it they are one of the odd teams in the BigTen.

Then they go after the best option right off with UCF giving them a Florida market in Orlando. Then they would go get Houston yet another big market, and Cincinnati who is no slouch along with Memphis. They fill the void of Oklahoma with Tulsa.

They could add some NOLA feel to the conference with Tulane, and bring in Louisiana as well

Baylor, Houston, TCU, Tulsa, Nebraska, Iowa State

West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis, Louisiana, Tulane

I know this looks ridiculous at first, but would work and bring in some money as well. Now some of these teams will be looked at IMO by the ACC if Virginia and VT would leave, and that would bet be West Virginia and Cincinnati possibly the conference would look at ace tral Florida, but doubt it goes anywhere. Then you could replace those two teams with say Western Kentucky and Liberty as a joke for this is t goi g to happen in a milli9n years.

UCF, Louisiana, Tulane, Memphis, WKU, Liberty

Well it is a forum of good and BAD ideas.
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
I agree A&M won't leave the SEC (too much $$$). And it's also true that the B12 would be swallowing the AAC, not the other way around.
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
(10-24-2020 10:07 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I know this looks ridiculous at first...

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The more different scenarios are presented involving changes in Big 12 membership, the less likely it may seem that any of the Big 12 teams will end up leaving the conference.
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(10-24-2020 10:07 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Well if those teams left then Baylor, TCU, Iowa State and West Virginia would still hold the rights to the Big12 name and would collect all the buyouts. They wouldn’t be looking to join Conference AAC, but the other way around. They would go after teams of interest and within a footprint of a conference.

Maybe just maybe hit the tires on a old mate and see would Nebraska be interested. This would put them back within their stomping grounds and put them as one of if not the big fish of the pond so to say. You also have to remember how upset they were with the conference with the shut down, and let’s face it they are one of the odd teams in the BigTen.

Then they go after the best option right off with UCF giving them a Florida market in Orlando. Then they would go get Houston yet another big market, and Cincinnati who is no slouch along with Memphis. They fill the void of Oklahoma with Tulsa.

They could add some NOLA feel to the conference with Tulane, and bring in Louisiana as well

Baylor, Houston, TCU, Tulsa, Nebraska, Iowa State

West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis, Louisiana, Tulane

I know this looks ridiculous at first, but would work and bring in some money as well. Now some of these teams will be looked at IMO by the ACC if Virginia and VT would leave, and that would bet be West Virginia and Cincinnati possibly the conference would look at ace tral Florida, but doubt it goes anywhere. Then you could replace those two teams with say Western Kentucky and Liberty as a joke for this is t goi g to happen in a milli9n years.

UCF, Louisiana, Tulane, Memphis, WKU, Liberty

Well it is a forum of good and BAD ideas.

There would be no buyouts to collect.. A move won't happen til the GOR is up.. they can announce it a full year/year and a half in advance, but there is no buyout/penalty. I wonder if Texas did go elsewhere..would the new conference pull a BIG and tax them for joining like they did to MD and Rutgers?! lol JK
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(10-25-2020 01:37 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  
(10-24-2020 10:07 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Well if those teams left then Baylor, TCU, Iowa State and West Virginia would still hold the rights to the Big12 name and would collect all the buyouts. They wouldn’t be looking to join Conference AAC, but the other way around. They would go after teams of interest and within a footprint of a conference.

Maybe just maybe hit the tires on a old mate and see would Nebraska be interested. This would put them back within their stomping grounds and put them as one of if not the big fish of the pond so to say. You also have to remember how upset they were with the conference with the shut down, and let’s face it they are one of the odd teams in the BigTen.

Then they go after the best option right off with UCF giving them a Florida market in Orlando. Then they would go get Houston yet another big market, and Cincinnati who is no slouch along with Memphis. They fill the void of Oklahoma with Tulsa.

They could add some NOLA feel to the conference with Tulane, and bring in Louisiana as well

Baylor, Houston, TCU, Tulsa, Nebraska, Iowa State

West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis, Louisiana, Tulane

I know this looks ridiculous at first, but would work and bring in some money as well. Now some of these teams will be looked at IMO by the ACC if Virginia and VT would leave, and that would bet be West Virginia and Cincinnati possibly the conference would look at ace tral Florida, but doubt it goes anywhere. Then you could replace those two teams with say Western Kentucky and Liberty as a joke for this is t goi g to happen in a milli9n years.

UCF, Louisiana, Tulane, Memphis, WKU, Liberty

Well it is a forum of good and BAD ideas.

There would be no buyouts to collect.. A move won't happen til the GOR is up.. they can announce it a full year/year and a half in advance, but there is no buyout/penalty. I wonder if Texas did go elsewhere..would the new conference pull a BIG and tax them for joining like they did to MD and Rutgers?! lol JK

Texas isn’t going to play anywhere at a discount I assure you. There’s a big difference between teams such as Maryland and Rutgers when comparing them to TEXAS. it’s a full membership up front or nothing for them, and possibly any team that comes with them as well.
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RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge
(10-23-2020 09:04 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  From what I heard.. UT gave Arkansas it's blessing to join the SEC. UT knew the SWC days were numbered, I'm not sure how UT was being a bully in the SWC.. I do think they got tired of the cheating that got way out of hand and left a black eye.. From SMU to the FedEx a&m scandal.

I seem to recall a time when Arkansas had threatened to leave the SWC and petition the Big 8 for membership.
There was even a picture of some person wearing a T-shirt in Sports Illustrated that said: Arkansas-Big 8 Champs.

Unfortunately for all of college football the Texas-Arkansas rivalry lost a lot of luster after decades of excellence that paralleled (Texas: Royal-Akers 1957-86; and Arkansas: Broyles-Holtz 1958-83) was followed with not so great hires (McWilliams-Mackovic) and (Hatfield-Crowe-Kines) at each school.
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(Yesterday 05:07 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-23-2020 09:04 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  From what I heard.. UT gave Arkansas it's blessing to join the SEC. UT knew the SWC days were numbered, I'm not sure how UT was being a bully in the SWC.. I do think they got tired of the cheating that got way out of hand and left a black eye.. From SMU to the FedEx a&m scandal.

I seem to recall a time when Arkansas had threatened to leave the SWC and petition the Big 8 for membership.
There was even a picture of some person wearing a T-shirt in Sports Illustrated that said: Arkansas-Big 8 Champs.

Unfortunately for all of college football the Texas-Arkansas rivalry lost a lot of luster after decades of excellence that paralleled (Texas: Royal-Akers 1957-86; and Arkansas: Broyles-Holtz 1958-83) was followed with not so great hires (McWilliams-Mackovic) and (Hatfield-Crowe-Kines) at each school.
i believe the old Arkansas AD even said that UT told them to go forward with membership in the SEC. They understood how the SWC was falling apart.
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(10-25-2020 09:37 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Texas isn’t going to play anywhere at a discount I assure you. There’s a big difference between teams such as Maryland and Rutgers when comparing them to TEXAS. it’s a full membership up front or nothing for them, and possibly any team that comes with them as well.

Yes, if Texas joined the B1G it would only be if granted full and immediate membership, meaning a full conference payout. No elongated seven-year phase in with lower pay, etc. like Rutgers, Maryland and even Nebraska got stuck with.
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(Yesterday 08:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 09:37 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Texas isn’t going to play anywhere at a discount I assure you. There’s a big difference between teams such as Maryland and Rutgers when comparing them to TEXAS. it’s a full membership up front or nothing for them, and possibly any team that comes with them as well.

Yes, if Texas joined the B1G it would only be if granted full and immediate membership, meaning a full conference payout. No elongated seven-year phase in with lower pay, etc. like Rutgers, Maryland and even Nebraska got stuck with.

I thought part of the phase in was to pay an equity stake into the BTN.
Are you saying you believe that the B1G would "gift" that stock purchase to Texas?
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(Yesterday 12:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 09:37 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Texas isn’t going to play anywhere at a discount I assure you. There’s a big difference between teams such as Maryland and Rutgers when comparing them to TEXAS. it’s a full membership up front or nothing for them, and possibly any team that comes with them as well.

Yes, if Texas joined the B1G it would only be if granted full and immediate membership, meaning a full conference payout. No elongated seven-year phase in with lower pay, etc. like Rutgers, Maryland and even Nebraska got stuck with.

I thought part of the phase in was to pay an equity stake into the BTN.
Are you saying you believe that the B1G would "gift" that stock purchase to Texas?

The idea that the Big Ten would want to add Texas seems utterly preposterous to me, as someone who grew up in a Big Ten family and State. For one thing, the conference would be a monstrosity in numerous respects. For another, travel time for the student athletes would be excessive for a conference that values academics as much as the Big Ten does.

Several Big Ten Presidents would be heavily inclined to veto a proposal to invite Texas, partly because having Texas in the Big Ten would make it harder than it already is to have a successful FB season, and partly because Texas has a reputation for insisting that it gets things its own way.
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(Yesterday 10:34 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:01 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 09:37 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Texas isn’t going to play anywhere at a discount I assure you. There’s a big difference between teams such as Maryland and Rutgers when comparing them to TEXAS. it’s a full membership up front or nothing for them, and possibly any team that comes with them as well.

Yes, if Texas joined the B1G it would only be if granted full and immediate membership, meaning a full conference payout. No elongated seven-year phase in with lower pay, etc. like Rutgers, Maryland and even Nebraska got stuck with.

I thought part of the phase in was to pay an equity stake into the BTN.
Are you saying you believe that the B1G would "gift" that stock purchase to Texas?

The idea that the Big Ten would want to add Texas seems utterly preposterous to me, as someone who grew up in a Big Ten family and State. For one thing, the conference would be a monstrosity in numerous respects. For another, travel time for the student athletes would be excessive for a conference that values academics as much as the Big Ten does.

Several Big Ten Presidents would be heavily inclined to veto a proposal to invite Texas, partly because having Texas in the Big Ten would make it harder than it already is to have a successful FB season, and partly because Texas has a reputation for insisting that it gets things its own way.

Texas is headed to either independence or the SEC. Maybe independence then the SEC. Texas has already said “no” to the PAC and made comments about not wanting ridiculous travel for Olympic sport conference games.

Further, Texas and the SEC share most sports. Texas plays every men’s sport the SEC offers. Texas plays every women’s sport the SEC offers except for equestrian and gymnastics. The only sport Texas plays not sponsored by the SEC is women’s rowing (which Alabama and Tennessee also have and are affiliates of the XII.)

Texas plus “insert friend here but preferably Oklahoma” are in the SEC but for any desire by Texas to try independence.
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