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RE: FAU athletic cuts?
(10-09-2020 08:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
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(10-08-2020 08:48 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  To the best of my knowledge North Texas has not cut positions or salaries. Last I heard we were running a surplus, even after losing millions when COVID shut everything down. Plus with the 4.5% increase in fall enrollment, the athletic department should have even more student fee money to spend. So no.... FAU does not have a UNT situation.

Yeah FAU is definitely in a better position for the near future. I would give it a couple of months to see if any cuts happen at UNT because it might not be obvious at this point to anyone outside AD.

If you have some information that supports your claim, I'd love to read your source. Oh wait... you're just making stuff up. 07-coffee3

Aint that right. Even P5's are having money troubles and if you really believe that you guys are not prone to additional stress on finances due to this pandemic plus having to pay that crazy money to litterell then you are welcome to believe whatever you want to but most G5s will not be in the same boat. Even with a 5 MM donation and 1/3 season tix holders donating their refunds we are expecting paycuts and furloughs at ODU but nothing solid at this point.

Of course every program is being effected by the current state of college football. No logical person denies that, and I don't know why you think I disagree on that issue.

As far as North Texas goes, they haves weathered the storm about as well as possible under the circumstances. Could that change sure. It's 2020. Who knows what's around the next corner... But, none of that changes the fact that you're just speculating about our financial future.

WTF are you talking about dude. I was referring to the fact that FAU seems to have gotten a better deal with Taggart since FSU is ponying up the expenses for the near future while you guys are stuck with Littrell until 2023 paying him at least 1.4 MM which is almost twice as much as FAU is paying Taggart. I am just questioning the surplus you quoted(i don't know the source and i could care less) and the financial stability it offers that you are alluding to at UNT. Cuts that happened at FAU might be underway at UNT and you might not be aware and that is what i was saying and nothing more. If you are confident these cuts or furloughs won't happen at UNT then UNT is an exception at G5 level and Wren Baker is a magic worker. Enjoy that i guess.
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(10-09-2020 08:40 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 08:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 07:17 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 05:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 09:32 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Yeah FAU is definitely in a better position for the near future. I would give it a couple of months to see if any cuts happen at UNT because it might not be obvious at this point to anyone outside AD.

If you have some information that supports your claim, I'd love to read your source. Oh wait... you're just making stuff up. 07-coffee3

Aint that right. Even P5's are having money troubles and if you really believe that you guys are not prone to additional stress on finances due to this pandemic plus having to pay that crazy money to litterell then you are welcome to believe whatever you want to but most G5s will not be in the same boat. Even with a 5 MM donation and 1/3 season tix holders donating their refunds we are expecting paycuts and furloughs at ODU but nothing solid at this point.

Of course every program is being effected by the current state of college football. No logical person denies that, and I don't know why you think I disagree on that issue.

As far as North Texas goes, they haves weathered the storm about as well as possible under the circumstances. Could that change sure. It's 2020. Who knows what's around the next corner... But, none of that changes the fact that you're just speculating about our financial future.

WTF are you talking about dude. I was referring to the fact that FAU seems to have gotten a better deal with Taggart since FSU is ponying up the expenses for the near future while you guys are stuck with Littrell until 2023 paying him at least 1.4 MM which is almost twice as much as FAU is paying Taggart. I am just questioning the surplus you quoted(i don't know the source and i could care less) and the financial stability it offers that you are alluding to at UNT. Cuts that happened at FAU might be underway at UNT and you might not be aware and that is what i was saying and nothing more. If you are confident these cuts or furloughs won't happen at UNT then UNT is an exception at G5 level and Wren Baker is a magic worker. Enjoy that i guess.

Ha! You were speculating about cuts coming to UNT, but you don't closely follow our situation. Just like I don't closely follow ODU. If UNT was in dire straights, I'd probably find out before you. From the data and reports I have seen and read, North Texas is doing okay financially. But we will see what the future holds. Our current team isn't making Baker's job easier.
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(10-09-2020 09:02 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 08:40 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 08:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 07:17 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 05:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If you have some information that supports your claim, I'd love to read your source. Oh wait... you're just making stuff up. 07-coffee3

Aint that right. Even P5's are having money troubles and if you really believe that you guys are not prone to additional stress on finances due to this pandemic plus having to pay that crazy money to litterell then you are welcome to believe whatever you want to but most G5s will not be in the same boat. Even with a 5 MM donation and 1/3 season tix holders donating their refunds we are expecting paycuts and furloughs at ODU but nothing solid at this point.

Of course every program is being effected by the current state of college football. No logical person denies that, and I don't know why you think I disagree on that issue.

As far as North Texas goes, they haves weathered the storm about as well as possible under the circumstances. Could that change sure. It's 2020. Who knows what's around the next corner... But, none of that changes the fact that you're just speculating about our financial future.

WTF are you talking about dude. I was referring to the fact that FAU seems to have gotten a better deal with Taggart since FSU is ponying up the expenses for the near future while you guys are stuck with Littrell until 2023 paying him at least 1.4 MM which is almost twice as much as FAU is paying Taggart. I am just questioning the surplus you quoted(i don't know the source and i could care less) and the financial stability it offers that you are alluding to at UNT. Cuts that happened at FAU might be underway at UNT and you might not be aware and that is what i was saying and nothing more. If you are confident these cuts or furloughs won't happen at UNT then UNT is an exception at G5 level and Wren Baker is a magic worker. Enjoy that i guess.

Ha! You were speculating about cuts coming to UNT, but you don't closely follow our situation. Just like I don't closely follow ODU. If UNT was in dire straights, I'd probably find out before you. From the data and reports I have seen and read, North Texas is doing okay financially. But we will see what the future holds. Our current team isn't making Baker's job easier.

Yes i was speculating based on what is going on around G5's and even at P5's and of course you'd know that before fans of other schools know which makes sense but to say UNT is an exception at G5 you have to have solid sources to dismiss any speculations. Do you have any to say that there won't be any cuts or furloughs at UNT. Not that i care to a greater deal but i would be happy that at least one school in CUSA can say they are immune to this mess.
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Read today that we are shuttering the prograrm...sorry if this will inconvenience anyone but it just had to be done.
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(10-12-2020 05:38 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  Read today that we are shuttering the prograrm...sorry if this will inconvenience anyone but it just had to be done.

Look at the bright side. If this is true, we end the season undefeated.
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Well, it seems like FAU doesn’t want to play anyway. Teams with more positive cases aren’t cancelling games. If you don’t want to play maybe shuttering is the correct call.
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(10-12-2020 09:29 PM)banker Wrote:  Well, it seems like FAU doesn’t want to play anyway. Teams with more positive cases aren’t cancelling games. If you don’t want to play maybe shuttering is the correct call.
Classy.
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(10-12-2020 09:29 PM)banker Wrote:  Well, it seems like FAU doesn’t want to play anyway. Teams with more positive cases aren’t cancelling games. If you don’t want to play maybe shuttering is the correct call.

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about but that’s not shocking to anyone.
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(10-12-2020 05:38 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  Read today that we are shuttering the prograrm...sorry if this will inconvenience anyone but it just had to be done.

I’m assuming this is a tongue-in-cheek comment given the thread title.
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FYI - UMass is projecting losing 170M due to Covid.
The Athletic department is being cut 8M or 20%. 57 have been furloughed.
Head coaches of Football, Basketball, and the AD have taken a 10% pay cut. All others a 2% pay cut as 10 day furlough. Still 21 sports with none being cut.
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(10-13-2020 10:18 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  FYI - UMass is projecting losing 170M due to Covid.
The Athletic department is being cut 8M or 20%. 57 have been furloughed.
Head coaches of Football, Basketball, and the AD have taken a 10% pay cut. All others a 2% pay cut as 10 day furlough. Still 21 sports with none being cut.

What is the athletic budget...I have no idea how you lose $170 million.
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(10-13-2020 11:13 AM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 10:18 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  FYI - UMass is projecting losing 170M due to Covid.
The Athletic department is being cut 8M or 20%. 57 have been furloughed.
Head coaches of Football, Basketball, and the AD have taken a 10% pay cut. All others a 2% pay cut as 10 day furlough. Still 21 sports with none being cut.

What is the athletic budget...I have no idea how you lose $170 million.

40Million is the Athletic budget and the 170M is for UMass Amherst revenue shortfall. As the town objected to the initial plan of up to 50% capacity and now only if you have required live course as nursing, science labs etc, plus case by case hardship.
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(10-13-2020 06:37 AM)Dusky Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 09:29 PM)banker Wrote:  Well, it seems like FAU doesn’t want to play anyway. Teams with more positive cases aren’t cancelling games. If you don’t want to play maybe shuttering is the correct call.

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about but that’s not shocking to anyone.

Virginia Tech has played two games with more players than 18 out due to Covid-19. You have 85 scholarship players and 20 walk-ons but can’t come up with the 40-50 you actually need to play a game? I could see if 15 of the 18 infected were all offensive linemen, but as long as you have seven healthy, then you have enough to play. Seems like you don’t want to play unless you have all your starters. I guess next year you will just postpone games if you get a few injuries.

You guys should recruit some players that aren’t window lickers then maybe you could get this under control.
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(10-09-2020 09:02 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 08:40 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 08:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 07:17 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 05:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If you have some information that supports your claim, I'd love to read your source. Oh wait... you're just making stuff up. 07-coffee3

Aint that right. Even P5's are having money troubles and if you really believe that you guys are not prone to additional stress on finances due to this pandemic plus having to pay that crazy money to litterell then you are welcome to believe whatever you want to but most G5s will not be in the same boat. Even with a 5 MM donation and 1/3 season tix holders donating their refunds we are expecting paycuts and furloughs at ODU but nothing solid at this point.

Of course every program is being effected by the current state of college football. No logical person denies that, and I don't know why you think I disagree on that issue.

As far as North Texas goes, they haves weathered the storm about as well as possible under the circumstances. Could that change sure. It's 2020. Who knows what's around the next corner... But, none of that changes the fact that you're just speculating about our financial future.

WTF are you talking about dude. I was referring to the fact that FAU seems to have gotten a better deal with Taggart since FSU is ponying up the expenses for the near future while you guys are stuck with Littrell until 2023 paying him at least 1.4 MM which is almost twice as much as FAU is paying Taggart. I am just questioning the surplus you quoted(i don't know the source and i could care less) and the financial stability it offers that you are alluding to at UNT. Cuts that happened at FAU might be underway at UNT and you might not be aware and that is what i was saying and nothing more. If you are confident these cuts or furloughs won't happen at UNT then UNT is an exception at G5 level and Wren Baker is a magic worker. Enjoy that i guess.

Ha! You were speculating about cuts coming to UNT, but you don't closely follow our situation. Just like I don't closely follow ODU. If UNT was in dire straights, I'd probably find out before you. From the data and reports I have seen and read, North Texas is doing okay financially. But we will see what the future holds. Our current team isn't making Baker's job easier.

1. one has to be intellectually bankrupt and financially illiterate to claim a program has a "surplus" when 69% of their budget comes off the backs of the students

and only 44% of that comes from the student fee the other 56% is just money that the administration takes from students with most of them having no clue about that

every program on earth could have a "surplus" if they just keep throwing student dollars at athletics with impunity

2. it is all the bigger joke to make that claim when one looks at the growth in academic subsidies for athletics at north Texas state over the last decade and even more so at the non-student fee portion of that spending

then you throw in the atrocious return on that spending in terms of on the field performance and it becomes an asinine claim

in 2010 north Texas state spent $48,920 in non-student fees academic side money.....in 2019 they spent $15.9 million

and again that is NON-STUDENT FEE academic side money

in 2010 that non-student fee academic side money was less than 1% of the student fee money (ONE PERCENT).....in 2019 that non-student fee money was 123% of the student fee money and student fee money has increased well over 200% on that time as well

3. then there is the massive cost to the students in terms of faculty quality and to the university in terms of research that comes with that **** in spending to athletics

we all already know about back under the Sleepy Lane Rawlins administration when north Texas state raised tuition specifically to hire more professors......then a year later had to admit that more faculty had not been hired and the money needed to be used elsewhere

then there is the anemic growth in research and the massive shift to non-tenure track faculty

4. you claim to have some insider knowledge......did you have that insider knowledge when north Texas state came out and had to admit they had stolen $78 million from The state of Texas with false accounting of staff eligibility for salary reimbursement from the state......and the $10 million in "accounts receivable" that were determined to never be recoverable or that did not exist......and the $5 million in "rainy day" funds that also did not exist

north Texas state caught a massive break that the state did not make them pay most of that back, but I am sure things would be different if some of those idiot politicians knew how much money was around to flush away on athletics with such a horrible on the field performance to show for it

the other $15 million of course just had to be stricken from the books to never return

5. it would be one thing to talk about no financial issues (much less a suprlus 03-lmfao03-phew03-drunk ) if north Texas state had any on the field results in any sport to show for that spending or on the court or anywhere else.....but you just got thumped by Charlotte that then went "Club Lit" in your locker room after the game.....hell you can get that 25% of the spending
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(10-13-2020 12:34 PM)banker Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 06:37 AM)Dusky Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 09:29 PM)banker Wrote:  Well, it seems like FAU doesn’t want to play anyway. Teams with more positive cases aren’t cancelling games. If you don’t want to play maybe shuttering is the correct call.

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about but that’s not shocking to anyone.

Virginia Tech has played two games with more players than 18 out due to Covid-19. You have 85 scholarship players and 20 walk-ons but can’t come up with the 40-50 you actually need to play a game? I could see if 15 of the 18 infected were all offensive linemen, but as long as you have seven healthy, then you have enough to play. Seems like you don’t want to play unless you have all your starters. I guess next year you will just postpone games if you get a few injuries.

You guys should recruit some players that aren’t window lickers then maybe you could get this under control.

Actually, while only 18 FAU players have COVID, both OC and DC do as well. 7 of FAU's assistant coaches are out with COVID. The problem does not seem to be on the field, the problem is on the sidelines.

https://www.upressonline.com/2020/10/fau...-covid-19/
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P.S. I am still not seeing any reliable news of the FAU program shuttering for the season. You would have expected that it would have been announced at Monday's press-conference but Taggart is not saying anything about that. I am not saying it's not happening, I am saying I have no proof that it is.
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(10-13-2020 02:45 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  P.S. I am still not seeing any reliable news of the FAU program shuttering for the season. You would have expected that it would have been announced at Monday's press-conference but Taggart is not saying anything about that. I am not saying it's not happening, I am saying I have no proof that it is.

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(10-13-2020 02:45 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  P.S. I am still not seeing any reliable news of the FAU program shuttering for the season. You would have expected that it would have been announced at Monday's press-conference but Taggart is not saying anything about that. I am not saying it's not happening, I am saying I have no proof that it is.

It's not a season shuttering...its a permanent shutdown. Getting out of the athletics business. Gonna pay the professors more.
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(10-13-2020 02:44 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 12:34 PM)banker Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 06:37 AM)Dusky Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 09:29 PM)banker Wrote:  Well, it seems like FAU doesn’t want to play anyway. Teams with more positive cases aren’t cancelling games. If you don’t want to play maybe shuttering is the correct call.

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about but that’s not shocking to anyone.

Virginia Tech has played two games with more players than 18 out due to Covid-19. You have 85 scholarship players and 20 walk-ons but can’t come up with the 40-50 you actually need to play a game? I could see if 15 of the 18 infected were all offensive linemen, but as long as you have seven healthy, then you have enough to play. Seems like you don’t want to play unless you have all your starters. I guess next year you will just postpone games if you get a few injuries.

You guys should recruit some players that aren’t window lickers then maybe you could get this under control.

Actually, while only 18 FAU players have COVID, both OC and DC do as well. 7 of FAU's assistant coaches are out with COVID. The problem does not seem to be on the field, the problem is on the sidelines.

https://www.upressonline.com/2020/10/fau...-covid-19/

Well, if the coaches can’t set an example then it’s not surprising that the players can’t follow protocols.
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(10-13-2020 04:44 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 02:45 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  P.S. I am still not seeing any reliable news of the FAU program shuttering for the season. You would have expected that it would have been announced at Monday's press-conference but Taggart is not saying anything about that. I am not saying it's not happening, I am saying I have no proof that it is.

It's not a season shuttering...its a permanent shutdown. Getting out of the athletics business. Gonna pay the professors more.

We have schools for that already, we even have one in our conference and you call them Nerds....Looking at you Rice. In all seriousness education and research should always take priority over the rest when it comes to schools. After all these are called Academic insti'tutions for a reason.

P.S. why are more than half of you 5 FAU fans on the board also rooting for FSU. Its not like Boca Raton and Tallanasty are close or anything. Is there a student transfer program at FAU that sends kids to FSU or something?
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