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(10-07-2020 04:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(10-07-2020 03:40 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Maine to AAC & FBS confirmed.

Nope. This is a southern league with a dash of Cincinnati and Temple. This league is not going to go back to the New England well, just not a cultural fit.

If Maine goes to the FBS I could see possibility of them going Indy and having scheduling alliances with UMass, UConn, Liberty, etc.

People keep saying this, and it's true as far as sheer numerical geography is concerned, but nevertheless on a scale of "cultural southerness" of 1 to 10, the AAC scores about a two. It has almost no southern cultural feel to it at all. Among the ten FBS conferences, only the B1G, PAC, MW, and MAC - the four obviously western and northern conferences - score lower than it.

Truth is, Cincy and Temple fit culturally like a glove in the AAC. Moreso than Memphis or UCF.

Part of the reason is DNA - the eastern and northern schools have largely left the AAC, but their echoes remain. The other part is that the AAC rims the south, nowhere does it penetrate and marinate in it, other than in New Orleans. And New Orleans is its own ecosystem.


Memphis is 100% Southern.

If ECU isn't Southern, then the only "Southern" Atlantic Coast Conference schools are Clemson and maybe FSU.

I'd say both ECU & Memphis are more Southern than New Orleans. New Orleans is half Cajun/Creole, and Cajun isn't really Southern.

But your point is well taken.
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(10-08-2020 01:40 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-07-2020 04:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(10-07-2020 03:40 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Maine to AAC & FBS confirmed.

Nope. This is a southern league with a dash of Cincinnati and Temple. This league is not going to go back to the New England well, just not a cultural fit.

If Maine goes to the FBS I could see possibility of them going Indy and having scheduling alliances with UMass, UConn, Liberty, etc.

People keep saying this, and it's true as far as sheer numerical geography is concerned, but nevertheless on a scale of "cultural southerness" of 1 to 10, the AAC scores about a two. It has almost no southern cultural feel to it at all. Among the ten FBS conferences, only the B1G, PAC, MW, and MAC - the four obviously western and northern conferences - score lower than it.

Truth is, Cincy and Temple fit culturally like a glove in the AAC. Moreso than Memphis or UCF.

Part of the reason is DNA - the eastern and northern schools have largely left the AAC, but their echoes remain. The other part is that the AAC rims the south, nowhere does it penetrate and marinate in it, other than in New Orleans. And New Orleans is its own ecosystem.


Memphis is 100% Southern.

If ECU isn't Southern, then the only "Southern" Atlantic Coast Conference schools are Clemson and maybe FSU.

I'd say both ECU & Memphis are more Southern than New Orleans. New Orleans is half Cajun/Creole, and Cajun isn't really Southern.

But your point is well taken.

Both Memphis and ECU are southern schools, but they aren't "deep south" schools, so they lack the deep-fried southern culture as it is typically understood. They provide a taste of the south to the AAC- Houston and SMU are also similarly "southern-lite" schools as well. Of those four, Memphis is closest to being deep - south, but you really have to cross the border in to Mississippi for that.

As for NOLA, I agreed that while they are geographically in the deep south, they are culturally their own ecosphere.
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My daughter went to Maine so I'm very familiar with the school. Maine's game facilities are really not bad. What all of their programs could benefit from are clubhouse facilities for the athletes. Providing some of the amenities available to athletes at P5 schools could improve Maine's recruiting dramatically. Honestly, the Syracuse field hockey team probably has posher team facilities than UMaine football. With a limited pool of local athletes, for Maine to be successful, it needs to recruit from out of state. A school in a small rural town hundreds of miles from anywhere is simply not an attractive destination for many of them otherwise.

I don't see conference affiliate changes in the cards. Adding Maine would increase the travel budget for every school in a conference. America East, CAA football and Hockey East are all excellent fits for a school with Maine's profile. The improved facilities should allow Maine to be more competitive within those conferences.
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(10-08-2020 05:35 PM)orangefan Wrote:  My daughter went to Maine so I'm very familiar with the school. Maine's game facilities are really not bad. What all of their programs could benefit from are clubhouse facilities for the athletes. Providing some of the amenities available to athletes at P5 schools could improve Maine's recruiting dramatically. Honestly, the Syracuse field hockey team probably has posher team facilities than UMaine football. With a limited pool of local athletes, for Maine to be successful, it needs to recruit from out of state. A school in a small rural town hundreds of miles from anywhere is simply not an attractive destination for many of them otherwise.

I don't see conference affiliate changes in the cards. Adding Maine would increase the travel budget for every school in a conference. America East, CAA football and Hockey East are all excellent fits for a school with Maine's profile. The improved facilities should allow Maine to be more competitive within those conferences.

Sinking even $9 million in to Maine athletics, much less 10x that, is money down the drain because there is no fan or athlete interest.

It's like if i donated $100 million dollars to my local dog shelter. What on earth would they do with it, give each mangy stray a gold kennel encrusted with diamonds?
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(10-08-2020 12:34 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Vermont and Maine to A10, kick out Fordham and LaSalle.

LaSalle has bigger problems right now.

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Yeah, La Salle may be a sinking ship. I’ve heard not great things about both them and Rider both struggling.
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More likely Sienna would be added as Maine is way out there and a large number of teams are from Philly to Richmond.
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(10-07-2020 03:40 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Maine to AAC & FBS confirmed.

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(10-09-2020 08:59 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  More likely Sienna would be added as Maine is way out there and a large number of teams are from Philly to Richmond.

I'd be surprised if they added anyone. 13 is a weird number but there's no reason for them to add a school just for the sake of 14. I don't see them backfilling until/unless they got below 12.
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(10-09-2020 09:32 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 08:59 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  More likely Sienna would be added as Maine is way out there and a large number of teams are from Philly to Richmond.

I'd be surprised if they added anyone. 13 is a weird number but there's no reason for them to add a school just for the sake of 14. I don't see them backfilling until/unless they got below 12.

Unless ODU goes indy football and accepted to the A10. How will the (Richmond, VCU, George Mason) former CAA teams vote on ODU?
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(10-09-2020 09:45 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  
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(10-09-2020 08:59 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  More likely Sienna would be added as Maine is way out there and a large number of teams are from Philly to Richmond.

I'd be surprised if they added anyone. 13 is a weird number but there's no reason for them to add a school just for the sake of 14. I don't see them backfilling until/unless they got below 12.

Unless ODU goes indy football and accepted to the A10. How will the (Richmond, VCU, George Mason) former CAA teams vote on ODU?

Ah, the white whale of at least some of our board's posters. Two of ODU's three chief basketball rivals are VCU and Richmond, and they play Mason a lot, so I think they'd be on board. To me, the bigger issue would be the northern schools that have been watching the center of the conference move south and west over the years. Do they want yet another school south of the Mason-Dixon, especially if LaSalle and/or Fordham leave?
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Think so, as we would welcome another Indy player and vote yes. URI and Fordham would probably be OK. The arm twisting could involve a few teams but think you'd get a super majority on the first vote.

Huge upgrade from LaSalle.
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The other consideration is would they be worried that ODU leaves them at the first sign of a better FBS option (AAC or new East Coast conference)? UMass has sweat equity in the A10; ODU doesn't, so they're not getting as much leash.

My first choice is still AAC in all sports, but as more schools are showing a viable path to FBS independence, and the TV/bowl issue isn't as much of a dealbreaker as it used to be, then indy FB/A10 is becoming more and more of a legitimate option.

If I had to rank them:
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2. Indy FB/A10
3. East Coast conference or CUSA/SBC regional reshuffle (could move up or down depending on the schools involved)
4. CUSA
5 (tie). Indy FB/CAA, Sun Belt, MAC
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(10-09-2020 10:16 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  The other consideration is would they be worried that ODU leaves them at the first sign of a better FBS option (AAC or new East Coast conference)? UMass has sweat equity in the A10; ODU doesn't, so they're not getting as much leash.

My first choice is still AAC in all sports, but as more schools are showing a viable path to FBS independence, and the TV/bowl issue isn't as much of a dealbreaker as it used to be, then indy FB/A10 is becoming more and more of a legitimate option.

If I had to rank them:
1. AAC
2. Indy FB/A10
3. East Coast conference or CUSA/SBC regional reshuffle (could move up or down depending on the schools involved)
4. CUSA
5 (tie). Indy FB/CAA, Sun Belt, MAC
8. CAA all-sports

Yes, it would make sense with the AAC since only the MAC is a northern G5 conference. With UConn leaving, it's no longer attractive for UMass.

FYI: from the A10 board:
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How would the Bonnies vote on a huge upgrade if ODU wanted to join?
I’m not sure, but doubt they’d have any opposition. The whole football thing would need to be figured out first, though.
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$90 million to Maine? UConn is green with envy.
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(10-08-2020 08:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 05:35 PM)orangefan Wrote:  My daughter went to Maine so I'm very familiar with the school. Maine's game facilities are really not bad. What all of their programs could benefit from are clubhouse facilities for the athletes. Providing some of the amenities available to athletes at P5 schools could improve Maine's recruiting dramatically. Honestly, the Syracuse field hockey team probably has posher team facilities than UMaine football. With a limited pool of local athletes, for Maine to be successful, it needs to recruit from out of state. A school in a small rural town hundreds of miles from anywhere is simply not an attractive destination for many of them otherwise.

I don't see conference affiliate changes in the cards. Adding Maine would increase the travel budget for every school in a conference. America East, CAA football and Hockey East are all excellent fits for a school with Maine's profile. The improved facilities should allow Maine to be more competitive within those conferences.

Sinking even $9 million in to Maine athletics, much less 10x that, is money down the drain because there is no fan or athlete interest.

It's like if i donated $100 million dollars to my local dog shelter. What on earth would they do with it, give each mangy stray a gold kennel encrusted with diamonds?

What's the point of donating money to any college athletics program?

Also, this is part of an overall $500M gift to numerous educational institutions statewide, 80+% of which did not go to athletics.
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(10-09-2020 11:02 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 08:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 05:35 PM)orangefan Wrote:  My daughter went to Maine so I'm very familiar with the school. Maine's game facilities are really not bad. What all of their programs could benefit from are clubhouse facilities for the athletes. Providing some of the amenities available to athletes at P5 schools could improve Maine's recruiting dramatically. Honestly, the Syracuse field hockey team probably has posher team facilities than UMaine football. With a limited pool of local athletes, for Maine to be successful, it needs to recruit from out of state. A school in a small rural town hundreds of miles from anywhere is simply not an attractive destination for many of them otherwise.

I don't see conference affiliate changes in the cards. Adding Maine would increase the travel budget for every school in a conference. America East, CAA football and Hockey East are all excellent fits for a school with Maine's profile. The improved facilities should allow Maine to be more competitive within those conferences.

Sinking even $9 million in to Maine athletics, much less 10x that, is money down the drain because there is no fan or athlete interest.

It's like if i donated $100 million dollars to my local dog shelter. What on earth would they do with it, give each mangy stray a gold kennel encrusted with diamonds?

What's the point of donating money to any college athletics program?

Also, this is part of an overall $500M gift to numerous educational institutions statewide, 80+% of which did not go to athletics.

Well, some programs can actually use the fuel, so to speak. I mean, circa 2007, when Alabama spent around $100 million to expand their stadium capacity from 91,000 to 102,000, they really were meeting unmet demand, as proven by patrons filling up those extra seats.

I just don't know what Maine will spend $90 million on. Better locker room facilities for a women's softball team that nobody will come to see either way?
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(10-09-2020 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 11:02 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 08:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 05:35 PM)orangefan Wrote:  My daughter went to Maine so I'm very familiar with the school. Maine's game facilities are really not bad. What all of their programs could benefit from are clubhouse facilities for the athletes. Providing some of the amenities available to athletes at P5 schools could improve Maine's recruiting dramatically. Honestly, the Syracuse field hockey team probably has posher team facilities than UMaine football. With a limited pool of local athletes, for Maine to be successful, it needs to recruit from out of state. A school in a small rural town hundreds of miles from anywhere is simply not an attractive destination for many of them otherwise.

I don't see conference affiliate changes in the cards. Adding Maine would increase the travel budget for every school in a conference. America East, CAA football and Hockey East are all excellent fits for a school with Maine's profile. The improved facilities should allow Maine to be more competitive within those conferences.

Sinking even $9 million in to Maine athletics, much less 10x that, is money down the drain because there is no fan or athlete interest.

It's like if i donated $100 million dollars to my local dog shelter. What on earth would they do with it, give each mangy stray a gold kennel encrusted with diamonds?

What's the point of donating money to any college athletics program?

Also, this is part of an overall $500M gift to numerous educational institutions statewide, 80+% of which did not go to athletics.

Well, some programs can actually use the fuel, so to speak. I mean, circa 2007, when Alabama spent around $100 million to expand their stadium capacity from 91,000 to 102,000, they really were meeting unmet demand, as proven by patrons filling up those extra seats.

I just don't know what Maine will spend $90 million on. Better locker room facilities for a women's softball team that nobody will come to see either way?

I suspect the Maine athletic department will have a better idea of how to spend money on its programs than you would.
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(10-09-2020 12:40 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(10-08-2020 08:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 05:35 PM)orangefan Wrote:  My daughter went to Maine so I'm very familiar with the school. Maine's game facilities are really not bad. What all of their programs could benefit from are clubhouse facilities for the athletes. Providing some of the amenities available to athletes at P5 schools could improve Maine's recruiting dramatically. Honestly, the Syracuse field hockey team probably has posher team facilities than UMaine football. With a limited pool of local athletes, for Maine to be successful, it needs to recruit from out of state. A school in a small rural town hundreds of miles from anywhere is simply not an attractive destination for many of them otherwise.

I don't see conference affiliate changes in the cards. Adding Maine would increase the travel budget for every school in a conference. America East, CAA football and Hockey East are all excellent fits for a school with Maine's profile. The improved facilities should allow Maine to be more competitive within those conferences.

Sinking even $9 million in to Maine athletics, much less 10x that, is money down the drain because there is no fan or athlete interest.

It's like if i donated $100 million dollars to my local dog shelter. What on earth would they do with it, give each mangy stray a gold kennel encrusted with diamonds?

What's the point of donating money to any college athletics program?

Also, this is part of an overall $500M gift to numerous educational institutions statewide, 80+% of which did not go to athletics.

Well, some programs can actually use the fuel, so to speak. I mean, circa 2007, when Alabama spent around $100 million to expand their stadium capacity from 91,000 to 102,000, they really were meeting unmet demand, as proven by patrons filling up those extra seats.

I just don't know what Maine will spend $90 million on. Better locker room facilities for a women's softball team that nobody will come to see either way?

I suspect the Maine athletic department will have a better idea of how to spend money on its programs than you would.

Yeah. For a school its size and profile, its athletics reflect something seriously lacking compared to others even within their own conference. Output especially in terms of football and basketball success.

Even if its not facilities that need the boost, those staffing and administrative costs...you can spend good money on that and fund it to sustain for some time to come. It can be easily spent.
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(10-09-2020 12:40 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 11:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-09-2020 11:02 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 08:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-08-2020 05:35 PM)orangefan Wrote:  My daughter went to Maine so I'm very familiar with the school. Maine's game facilities are really not bad. What all of their programs could benefit from are clubhouse facilities for the athletes. Providing some of the amenities available to athletes at P5 schools could improve Maine's recruiting dramatically. Honestly, the Syracuse field hockey team probably has posher team facilities than UMaine football. With a limited pool of local athletes, for Maine to be successful, it needs to recruit from out of state. A school in a small rural town hundreds of miles from anywhere is simply not an attractive destination for many of them otherwise.

I don't see conference affiliate changes in the cards. Adding Maine would increase the travel budget for every school in a conference. America East, CAA football and Hockey East are all excellent fits for a school with Maine's profile. The improved facilities should allow Maine to be more competitive within those conferences.

Sinking even $9 million in to Maine athletics, much less 10x that, is money down the drain because there is no fan or athlete interest.

It's like if i donated $100 million dollars to my local dog shelter. What on earth would they do with it, give each mangy stray a gold kennel encrusted with diamonds?

What's the point of donating money to any college athletics program?

Also, this is part of an overall $500M gift to numerous educational institutions statewide, 80+% of which did not go to athletics.

Well, some programs can actually use the fuel, so to speak. I mean, circa 2007, when Alabama spent around $100 million to expand their stadium capacity from 91,000 to 102,000, they really were meeting unmet demand, as proven by patrons filling up those extra seats.

I just don't know what Maine will spend $90 million on. Better locker room facilities for a women's softball team that nobody will come to see either way?

I suspect the Maine athletic department will have a better idea of how to spend money on its programs than you would.

Probably not. I suspect that righr now, their athletic department runs a deficit and must be subsidized with transfers. If i was in charge it wouldn't be, it would live within its means
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