This is something that the NAIA has been working on since California passed it's NIL legislation a few years ago. The issues are the same for the NAIA as they are for the NCAA, although obviously the dollar amounts athletes might be able to earn from endorsements would be less.

https://www.victorysportsnetwork.com/Cli...lation.htm

(10-07-2020 11:41 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  This is something that the NAIA has been working on since California passed it's NIL legislation a few years ago.

At this point McDonald's and Taco Bell should feel obligated to grant NIL rights to their burger flippers and guacamole squeezers.

(10-07-2020 01:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:41 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  This is something that the NAIA has been working on since California passed it's NIL legislation a few years ago.

At this point McDonald's and Taco Bell should feel obligated to grant NIL rights to their burger flippers and guacamole squeezers.

I would say that the FBI's 10 most wanted should demand NIL because the FBI gets a lot of mileage out of those images. Hell, Dillinger's surviving family should sue because his name has been used by Hollywood and his image still adorns one of the targets on Hogan's Alley.

And face it Quo, the FBI did nothing to train or equip these career criminals. They all did it on their own so why should the FBI profit by their name or likeness? And they do profit. Without high profile thugs would their appropriations be as high? I mean the schools give the players notoriety by the association with the schools brand. The schools equip their players, train their players, feed and house their players, and the FBI does none of this for their top criminals. If there was ever a clearer case for the rights of an ancillary personality to an industry it has to be the 10 most wanted who derive no benefit from the FBI's use of their Name, Image, or Likeness but the FBI does receive all of the benefit from them. Where's the outrage?

(10-07-2020 01:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:41 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  This is something that the NAIA has been working on since California passed it's NIL legislation a few years ago.

At this point McDonald's and Taco Bell should feel obligated to grant NIL rights to their burger flippers and guacamole squeezers.

Remember Dominos champion box folder from commercials a few years back. Him too!

"NAIA ADs react to landmark NIL legislation"

This is how NIL will probably play out at the lower D1, D2 and D3 levels as well.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...-naia.html

How many NAIA players can make anything off of NIL?

Who would even want to use NIL for an NAIA athlete?

(10-14-2020 12:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Who would even want to use NIL for an NAIA athlete?

Scottie Pippen?

Dennis Rodman?

But that was in a different era.

Read the article.

Examples were of local businesses paying local athletes. Small colleges are in a lot of small towns. Car dealerships, pizza joints, etc. Could make a big difference for a few athletes per school.

(10-14-2020 05:14 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-14-2020 12:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Who would even want to use NIL for an NAIA athlete?

Scottie Pippen?

Dennis Rodman?

But that was in a different era.

Or World B. Free, if you want to go back even further. He played at Guilford College in Greensboro.

(10-14-2020 11:46 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  "NAIA ADs react to landmark NIL legislation"

This is how NIL will probably play out at the lower D1, D2 and D3 levels as well.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...-naia.html

"Middle Georgia State University (NAIA) athletic director Chip Smith says he’s intrigued with how this will change the dynamic of recruiting."

It's telling that even at the NAIA level the first reaction from an AD is that he's thinking about how this change can be leveraged for recruiting. Imagine when this gets implemented at the big money schools.

This is the first step down a long, slippery slope.

Here it comes...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karenweaver...68b04c3186

Volleyball is on the margin of what she's done in the past but once sports are active and she's participating I expect to see a broader impact.

I am completely against NIL and pay for play for student-athletes. If the players want to be paid? Join the pro leagues. Leave the scholarships for players who do not care about the money, but to play for the love of the sport.

NIL is the one part of paying players that can be enacted without running afoul of Title IX.

Paying football players some stipend would require paying an equal number of women, but they do not generate any revenue, so in effect a 50% tax on the male players.

But NIL type payouts, % share of merchandise, could be extended to a gate (ticket sale) bonus up to some max threshold. This is the way to do payments, with criteria of playing certain amount or being named starter. Same contract could be given to athletes in all sports, so if you don't generate revenue you don't get paid (UConn women's basketball would have a huge edge over other programs). That is how I'd proceed to avoid the "T9 tax" effect, to maximize what I can pay the players in sports that generate revenue (some schools it might be Hockey or Baseball).

(12-26-2020 01:43 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Here it comes...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karenweaver...68b04c3186

Volleyball is on the margin of what she's done in the past but once sports are active and she's participating I expect to see a broader impact.

I think this is where the legislation was necessary. People are coming into colleges with brands, not because of their athletic ability, but because they are social influencers. And there was a golfer, I believe in Division III, who got temporarily disqualified because he wrote a book that had nothing to do with golf. The existing rules get to be ridiculous. They cover a lot of things never intended because they are all about how schools can get recruiting advantages.

The driver is advertising using P5 athletes, but there is a whole lot more that needs to be deregulated. If a football player was a concert pianist, he might be disallowed from making money on it.

And, of course, it was never really fair for the schools to sell jerseys with players names on them and take all the money.

Yep, but athletics do play into it. Since she already has a personal brand, she MIGHT have chosen NAIA Aquinas because of the lack of complication in maintaining her brand. I think pre-NIL, she could have continued as she did before as long as she never mentioned her volleyball activities and never appeared in Aquinas gear. NIL legislation makes that a non-issue.

(12-26-2020 03:42 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  Yep, but athletics do play into it. Since she already has a personal brand, she MIGHT have chosen NAIA Aquinas because of the lack of complication in maintaining her brand. I think pre-NIL, she could have continued as she did before as long as she never mentioned her volleyball activities and never appeared in Aquinas gear. NIL legislation makes that a non-issue.

Volleyball is not one of the money-making sports for colleges. It is usually football founding those sports. If it were not for Title 9? A bunch of women sports would be cut instead of the money making sports like football, baseball and men's basketball. Wrestling could be the next sport for men and women since many AEW, WWE and other pro-wrestlers had amater Roman-Greco wrestling experience like gold medal olympics wrestler Kurt Angle.

IMO, women are going to be the big beneficiaries of this. It doesn't matter if the school is an unknown NIAA mouse, if a volleyball player is 6 feet tall and looks like Gabrielle Reece, she can leverage that position on the team to make a splash on Instagram, WhatsApp, etc. and make good money. The position on a college team gives her some credibility.

We're already seeing this happen with cheerleaders. There are many cheerleaders who have a million Instagram followers. Most of them are at small schools like the one featured on that Netflix show, you don't have to be cheering at UCLA to cash in on it.

(12-26-2020 05:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, women are going to be the big beneficiaries of this. It doesn't matter if the school is an unknown NIAA mouse, if a volleyball player is 6 feet tall and looks like Gabrielle Reece, she can leverage that position on the team to make a splash on Instagram, WhatsApp, etc. and make good money. The position on a college team gives her some credibility.

We're already seeing this happen with cheerleaders. There are many cheerleaders who have a million Instagram followers. Most of them are at small schools like the one featured on that Netflix show, you don't have to be cheering at UCLA to cash in on it.

Well if you are at a cheerleading school like Kentucky or UCF, the school is probably already cashing in on you. There was a show on the Kentucky cheerleaders. Basically a reality TV show.

Another Forbes article. The volleyball player from Aquinas is a genuine entrepreneur! She's going to make may more money from her Playbooked app than from NIL.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristidosh/...5bb8a56041