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(04-20-2021 01:25 PM)dan10 Wrote:  
(04-20-2021 01:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
Quote:“The addition of this national television package with CBS Sports Network, combined with our current agreement with ESPN, will provide the Southern Conference with double-digit national linear men’s basketball telecasts every year and will signify the largest national television package in conference history.

SoCon has a deal with ESPN that allows games on local TV AND games on CBS Sports Network??

Pretty much shoots down the "Why we went with Flo" propaganda from JoeyD

Not necessarily. Negotiations are 2 way streets, you have to have 2 willing sides to make an agreement. Just because ESPN was willing to make that deal with the SoCon does not mean they were willing to make that deal with the CAA. I think it speaks more to the leadership and where ESPN sees us in comparison. They are more marketable right now, they get the sweeter deal. At the height of the CAA, ESPN was slobbering all over getting CAA games. SoCon is just a more desirable league to showcase right now, and cant say I disagree.

We also dont know how hard we tried for anything. Our leadership cant even hold a candle to their leadership abilities. That matters too. Companies are more willing to hold negotiations with competent people than ones who are not.

The SoCon now occupies the slot the CAA used to hold in its heyday.

But there is no good reason the CAA couldn't have gotten what the SoCon got. If leadership couldn't get a SoCon style deal fr9m ESPN that's on them. I find it hard to believe ESPN would treat us that differently in terms of deal parameters.

My guess is the CAA got greedy and overvalued themselves

This is the conference that legitimately believed an A10 school might come back from to CAA last expansion go round
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(10-05-2020 02:15 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Perhaps it is merely hatred for W&M's current AD. There seems to be plenty of that.

As for the listed teams in a basketball only conference with UNCW, several of those schools are already the A-10. They aren't leaving so I guess the best hope is for UNCW to get an A-10 invite.

I certainly have enjoyed the games between the Tribe and UNCW and the Tribe and Hofstra over the last 8-9 years. But, even though I would indicate that the 2017 UNCW team is the best one of the last 7-8 years, the conference hasn't been close to the multiple bids it received in the past. Perhaps it is as simple as none of the Power 5 wanted the CAA to have a real shot to get another team to the Final 4. Amazing to think that both George Mason and VCU did it.

The current leadership is not any better than what existed with Yeager. But, if the parties cannot agree on much, that would explain some of it. JMU's football program is significantly better than any other CAA member(and really all but one in all of FCS), but the rest of their sports(aside from Women's basketball) is nothing special. I'm not sure it makes financial sense for them to move up given that they still won't get a seat at the Power 5 table.

The question would have to be why would the A10 want UNCW ? For UNCW it would mean more travel,tougher conference for a basketball program trying to get better and the main bread winner for the athletic program -makes zero sense .
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(04-20-2021 04:30 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(10-05-2020 02:15 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Perhaps it is merely hatred for W&M's current AD. There seems to be plenty of that.

As for the listed teams in a basketball only conference with UNCW, several of those schools are already the A-10. They aren't leaving so I guess the best hope is for UNCW to get an A-10 invite.

I certainly have enjoyed the games between the Tribe and UNCW and the Tribe and Hofstra over the last 8-9 years. But, even though I would indicate that the 2017 UNCW team is the best one of the last 7-8 years, the conference hasn't been close to the multiple bids it received in the past. Perhaps it is as simple as none of the Power 5 wanted the CAA to have a real shot to get another team to the Final 4. Amazing to think that both George Mason and VCU did it.

The current leadership is not any better than what existed with Yeager. But, if the parties cannot agree on much, that would explain some of it. JMU's football program is significantly better than any other CAA member(and really all but one in all of FCS), but the rest of their sports(aside from Women's basketball) is nothing special. I'm not sure it makes financial sense for them to move up given that they still won't get a seat at the Power 5 table.

The question would have to be why would the A10 want UNCW ? For UNCW it would mean more travel,tougher conference for a basketball program trying to get better and the main bread winner for the athletic program -makes zero sense .

I agree that the A10 likely doesn’t have any interest in UNCW currently. That could change in the future but it would take a lot of work and sustained success to get us there.


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(04-20-2021 06:12 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(04-20-2021 04:30 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(10-05-2020 02:15 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Perhaps it is merely hatred for W&M's current AD. There seems to be plenty of that.

As for the listed teams in a basketball only conference with UNCW, several of those schools are already the A-10. They aren't leaving so I guess the best hope is for UNCW to get an A-10 invite.

I certainly have enjoyed the games between the Tribe and UNCW and the Tribe and Hofstra over the last 8-9 years. But, even though I would indicate that the 2017 UNCW team is the best one of the last 7-8 years, the conference hasn't been close to the multiple bids it received in the past. Perhaps it is as simple as none of the Power 5 wanted the CAA to have a real shot to get another team to the Final 4. Amazing to think that both George Mason and VCU did it.

The current leadership is not any better than what existed with Yeager. But, if the parties cannot agree on much, that would explain some of it. JMU's football program is significantly better than any other CAA member(and really all but one in all of FCS), but the rest of their sports(aside from Women's basketball) is nothing special. I'm not sure it makes financial sense for them to move up given that they still won't get a seat at the Power 5 table.

The question would have to be why would the A10 want UNCW ? For UNCW it would mean more travel,tougher conference for a basketball program trying to get better and the main bread winner for the athletic program -makes zero sense .

I agree that the A10 likely doesn’t have any interest in UNCW currently. That could change in the future but it would take a lot of work and sustained success to get us there.


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This is why we either need to make the CAA work or get into the SoCon
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Sorry, I don't care what the SoCon is doing right now, it's a long term loser.

The Citadel, VMI, Samford, Mercer, Western Carolina? And, they just lost the head coaches of the two best schools at UNCG and Wofford? Whatever stupid FloSports deal that was made will come to an end, but the crappy schools in the SoCon will remain.

UNCW would immediately be the biggest school in the conference along with UNCG(who, btw, I was putting out as a future CAA team when they sucked, and was told by everyone here they weren't good enough. And now all the sudden UNCG is a better job than UNCW?). WCU is getting a bump right now because the legislature lowered their tuition to $500 which really helps them scholarship players, but that isn't going to last forever. It's a bad location in the middle of nowhere.


Wofford 1773 students
VMI 1772
Furman 2692
Citadel 3623
Samford 5792
Mercer 9092
ETSU 9151
Chattanooga 11,728
WCU 12,243
UNCG 19,674

The smallest schools in the CAA are Elon and William and Mary

Elon 6991
William and Mary 8817
CofC 10,783
Hofstra 10,871
UNCW 17,500
NU 21,627
JMU 21,787
Drexel 22,412
Towson 22,923
Delaware 23,381

Size of schools matters in athletic conferences because it has a direct impact on funding. UNCW is also trending to 25,000 students by the end of this decade. It's laughable to think the SoCon is a better long term conference plan for UNCW than the CAA or even the A10. A N/S division for the CAA is far better than the Patriot for any CAA school or the SoCon for any CAA school. Both are a step down.

And regardless what anyone else thinks, I see the CAA trending upward. Hofstra and NU were an anchor on CAA basketball at the beginning, and both are solid year in and year out now. Elon is trending up with a new basketball arena and a new coach. UNCW has been a traditonal power and should be on the rise. CofC lost a good coach but picked up a good coach. JMU has a good new coach. CofC picked up one of the best head coaches in the SoCon, which should tell you which conference that coach considered to be better. The fact is, there wasn't a single coaching job in the SoCon that could pay what CofC paid.

I know Mullet is gleefully leading the UNCW/CAA sucks parade with his return, but all this doom and gloom is ridiculous.
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(04-21-2021 07:15 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Sorry, I don't care what the SoCon is doing right now, it's a long term loser.

The Citadel, VMI, Samford, Mercer, Western Carolina? And, they just lost the head coaches of the two best schools at UNCG and Wofford? Whatever stupid FloSports deal that was made will come to an end, but the crappy schools in the SoCon will remain.

UNCW would immediately be the biggest school in the conference along with UNCG(who, btw, I was putting out as a future CAA team when they sucked, and was told by everyone here they weren't good enough. And now all the sudden UNCG is a better job than UNCW?). WCU is getting a bump right now because the legislature lowered their tuition to $500 which really helps them scholarship players, but that isn't going to last forever. It's a bad location in the middle of nowhere.


Wofford 1773 students
VMI 1772
Furman 2692
Citadel 3623
Samford 5792
Mercer 9092
ETSU 9151
Chattanooga 11,728
WCU 12,243
UNCG 19,674

The smallest schools in the CAA are Elon and William and Mary

Elon 6991
William and Mary 8817
CofC 10,783
Hofstra 10,871
UNCW 17,500
NU 21,627
JMU 21,787
Drexel 22,412
Towson 22,923
Delaware 23,381

Size of schools matters in athletic conferences because it has a direct impact on funding. UNCW is also trending to 25,000 students by the end of this decade. It's laughable to think the SoCon is a better long term conference plan for UNCW than the CAA or even the A10. A N/S division for the CAA is far better than the Patriot for any CAA school or the SoCon for any CAA school. Both are a step down.

And regardless what anyone else thinks, I see the CAA trending upward. Hofstra and NU were an anchor on CAA basketball at the beginning, and both are solid year in and year out now. Elon is trending up with a new basketball arena and a new coach. UNCW has been a traditonal power and should be on the rise. CofC lost a good coach but picked up a good coach. JMU has a good new coach. CofC picked up one of the best head coaches in the SoCon, which should tell you which conference that coach considered to be better. The fact is, there wasn't a single coaching job in the SoCon that could pay what CofC paid.

I know Mullet is gleefully leading the UNCW/CAA sucks parade with his return, but all this doom and gloom is ridiculous.
Funny how we have so many students, yet the smallest athletic budget in the conference. Simple geography & finance says small budget would be better with less travel. Why even mention the A10? It's not even remotely close to an option at this point. And of course UNCG is a better job than UNCW at this point. They have had years of sustained winning under Miller, and have replaced him with a PROVEN HC. At this level you are only has good as your coach. We have seen the highs and most recently, the lows of this.
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(04-21-2021 07:15 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Sorry, I don't care what the SoCon is doing right now, it's a long term loser.

The Citadel, VMI, Samford, Mercer, Western Carolina? And, they just lost the head coaches of the two best schools at UNCG and Wofford? Whatever stupid FloSports deal that was made will come to an end, but the crappy schools in the SoCon will remain.

UNCW would immediately be the biggest school in the conference along with UNCG(who, btw, I was putting out as a future CAA team when they sucked, and was told by everyone here they weren't good enough. And now all the sudden UNCG is a better job than UNCW?). WCU is getting a bump right now because the legislature lowered their tuition to $500 which really helps them scholarship players, but that isn't going to last forever. It's a bad location in the middle of nowhere.


Wofford 1773 students
VMI 1772
Furman 2692
Citadel 3623
Samford 5792
Mercer 9092
ETSU 9151
Chattanooga 11,728
WCU 12,243
UNCG 19,674

The smallest schools in the CAA are Elon and William and Mary

Elon 6991
William and Mary 8817
CofC 10,783
Hofstra 10,871
UNCW 17,500
NU 21,627
JMU 21,787
Drexel 22,412
Towson 22,923
Delaware 23,381

Size of schools matters in athletic conferences because it has a direct impact on funding. UNCW is also trending to 25,000 students by the end of this decade. It's laughable to think the SoCon is a better long term conference plan for UNCW than the CAA or even the A10. A N/S division for the CAA is far better than the Patriot for any CAA school or the SoCon for any CAA school. Both are a step down.

And regardless what anyone else thinks, I see the CAA trending upward. Hofstra and NU were an anchor on CAA basketball at the beginning, and both are solid year in and year out now. Elon is trending up with a new basketball arena and a new coach. UNCW has been a traditonal power and should be on the rise. CofC lost a good coach but picked up a good coach. JMU has a good new coach. CofC picked up one of the best head coaches in the SoCon, which should tell you which conference that coach considered to be better. The fact is, there wasn't a single coaching job in the SoCon that could pay what CofC paid.

I know Mullet is gleefully leading the UNCW/CAA sucks parade with his return, but all this doom and gloom is ridiculous.

The foundation of the CAA is a round robin conference from Boston to Charleston

Without ACC Level TV Money, that is simply non sustainable.

Then you throw in the FCS football issue and its 7 affiliates along with the JMU wanting to join FBS and W&M flirting with the Patriot League, and this league is simply not in a good place

As I have stated many times, to begin to get the league in a sustainable place the 1st step would be to recognize the northern contingent and the southern contingent are stuck together at this point and create divisions. Alternatively either CoC/UNCW or Hofstra/NE need to leave so the league can consolidate its footprint.
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(04-21-2021 07:15 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Sorry, I don't care what the SoCon is doing right now, it's a long term loser.

The Citadel, VMI, Samford, Mercer, Western Carolina? And, they just lost the head coaches of the two best schools at UNCG and Wofford? Whatever stupid FloSports deal that was made will come to an end, but the crappy schools in the SoCon will remain.

UNCW would immediately be the biggest school in the conference along with UNCG(who, btw, I was putting out as a future CAA team when they sucked, and was told by everyone here they weren't good enough. And now all the sudden UNCG is a better job than UNCW?). WCU is getting a bump right now because the legislature lowered their tuition to $500 which really helps them scholarship players, but that isn't going to last forever. It's a bad location in the middle of nowhere.


Wofford 1773 students
VMI 1772
Furman 2692
Citadel 3623
Samford 5792
Mercer 9092
ETSU 9151
Chattanooga 11,728
WCU 12,243
UNCG 19,674

The smallest schools in the CAA are Elon and William and Mary

Elon 6991
William and Mary 8817
CofC 10,783
Hofstra 10,871
UNCW 17,500
NU 21,627
JMU 21,787
Drexel 22,412
Towson 22,923
Delaware 23,381

Size of schools matters in athletic conferences because it has a direct impact on funding. UNCW is also trending to 25,000 students by the end of this decade. It's laughable to think the SoCon is a better long term conference plan for UNCW than the CAA or even the A10. A N/S division for the CAA is far better than the Patriot for any CAA school or the SoCon for any CAA school. Both are a step down.

And regardless what anyone else thinks, I see the CAA trending upward. Hofstra and NU were an anchor on CAA basketball at the beginning, and both are solid year in and year out now. Elon is trending up with a new basketball arena and a new coach. UNCW has been a traditonal power and should be on the rise. CofC lost a good coach but picked up a good coach. JMU has a good new coach. CofC picked up one of the best head coaches in the SoCon, which should tell you which conference that coach considered to be better. The fact is, there wasn't a single coaching job in the SoCon that could pay what CofC paid.

I know Mullet is gleefully leading the UNCW/CAA sucks parade with his return, but all this doom and gloom is ridiculous.

Okay, nothing terrible in this. Except mentioning JMU at all really. They’re bouncing as soon as they can, which likely will be sooner than later.

Then what?


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(04-21-2021 07:15 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Sorry, I don't care what the SoCon is doing right now, it's a long term loser.

The Citadel, VMI, Samford, Mercer, Western Carolina? And, they just lost the head coaches of the two best schools at UNCG and Wofford? Whatever stupid FloSports deal that was made will come to an end, but the crappy schools in the SoCon will remain.

UNCW would immediately be the biggest school in the conference along with UNCG(who, btw, I was putting out as a future CAA team when they sucked, and was told by everyone here they weren't good enough. And now all the sudden UNCG is a better job than UNCW?). WCU is getting a bump right now because the legislature lowered their tuition to $500 which really helps them scholarship players, but that isn't going to last forever. It's a bad location in the middle of nowhere.


Wofford 1773 students
VMI 1772
Furman 2692
Citadel 3623
Samford 5792
Mercer 9092
ETSU 9151
Chattanooga 11,728
WCU 12,243
UNCG 19,674

The smallest schools in the CAA are Elon and William and Mary

Elon 6991
William and Mary 8817
CofC 10,783
Hofstra 10,871
UNCW 17,500
NU 21,627
JMU 21,787
Drexel 22,412
Towson 22,923
Delaware 23,381

Size of schools matters in athletic conferences because it has a direct impact on funding. UNCW is also trending to 25,000 students by the end of this decade. It's laughable to think the SoCon is a better long term conference plan for UNCW than the CAA or even the A10. A N/S division for the CAA is far better than the Patriot for any CAA school or the SoCon for any CAA school. Both are a step down.

And regardless what anyone else thinks, I see the CAA trending upward. Hofstra and NU were an anchor on CAA basketball at the beginning, and both are solid year in and year out now. Elon is trending up with a new basketball arena and a new coach. UNCW has been a traditonal power and should be on the rise. CofC lost a good coach but picked up a good coach. JMU has a good new coach. CofC picked up one of the best head coaches in the SoCon, which should tell you which conference that coach considered to be better. The fact is, there wasn't a single coaching job in the SoCon that could pay what CofC paid.

I know Mullet is gleefully leading the UNCW/CAA sucks parade with his return, but all this doom and gloom is ridiculous.
The biggest obstacle to this most of it is just not relevant to UNCW and what conference is the best fit for the future. Literally nobody on the planet cares to watch UNCW play at Northeastern or Hofstra in any sport other than parents and fanatics and to mention those two schools makes the argument so much easier that the CAA is now obsolete for UNCW. UNCW is also not a traditional power in basketball but more like most mid majors that have a run here and there of success in basketball that is all most impossible to sustain at the D1 level for low budget athletic departments. UNCW is a traditional power in baseball and I would love to see them be rewarded with a stadium that represents the program better.
The CAA totally died when ODU left and I have been saying for years that it is time to find a better fit and who knows what that might look like. The A10 is not an option for obvious reasons and the SoCon may not be either. It doesn't take much thought at all to see a change is needed and will happen at some point.
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Honest question, why do people mention the SoCon frequently, but the Big South is not mentioned as a potential landing spot? I'm new to this discussion so please forgive my ignorance on the topic.

In my limited time supporting UNCW, it feels like the CAA is not in a great place. And the travel costs alone make it a poor partner for UNCW. The Big South would consolidate travel significantly, even more than the SoCon.
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(04-21-2021 11:23 AM)HawkYeah01 Wrote:  Honest question, why do people mention the SoCon frequently, but the Big South is not mentioned as a potential landing spot? I'm new to this discussion so please forgive my ignorance on the topic.

In my limited time supporting UNCW, it feels like the CAA is not in a great place. And the travel costs alone make it a poor partner for UNCW. The Big South would consolidate travel significantly, even more than the SoCon.

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(04-21-2021 11:23 AM)HawkYeah01 Wrote:  Honest question, why do people mention the SoCon frequently, but the Big South is not mentioned as a potential landing spot? I'm new to this discussion so please forgive my ignorance on the topic.

In my limited time supporting UNCW, it feels like the CAA is not in a great place. And the travel costs alone make it a poor partner for UNCW. The Big South would consolidate travel significantly, even more than the SoCon.
Probably just based on the fact that SoCO currently is a good conference, Big South not so much. Even though, i agree, it does make logical sense.
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We should just get in a conference with Laney, New Hanover, Ashley and Hoggard. Low travel expenses, we'd dominate in every sport and our club football team could probably win the conference. We'd have MUCH better facilities AND we can recruit outside our district.
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(04-21-2021 12:09 PM)82hawk Wrote:  We should just get in a conference with Laney, New Hanover, Ashley and Hoggard. Low travel expenses, we'd dominate in every sport and our club football team could probably win the conference. We'd have MUCH better facilities AND we can recruit outside our district.

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(04-21-2021 11:23 AM)HawkYeah01 Wrote:  Honest question, why do people mention the SoCon frequently, but the Big South is not mentioned as a potential landing spot? I'm new to this discussion so please forgive my ignorance on the topic.

In my limited time supporting UNCW, it feels like the CAA is not in a great place. And the travel costs alone make it a poor partner for UNCW. The Big South would consolidate travel significantly, even more than the SoCon.
Probably just based on the fact that SoCO currently is a good conference, Big South not so much. Even though, i agree, it does make logical sense.

Pretty much this.

Big South is by and large perceived as a bottom of the barrel D1 conference. Outside of an anamoly like this year, you are going to get a 15 or 16 seed as their tournament winner. The SoCon is seen as a more peer conference to the CAA.

It also had a reputation for being a conference for smaller and religious schools, which UNCW is not. All current members of the Big South have enrollment under 10K

However, if travel continues to suck, the CAA gets a 15 and 16 seed, and they don't rectify the Flo fiasco next go round, the Big South would arguably be a step up.
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(04-21-2021 11:23 AM)HawkYeah01 Wrote:  Honest question, why do people mention the SoCon frequently, but the Big South is not mentioned as a potential landing spot? I'm new to this discussion so please forgive my ignorance on the topic.

In my limited time supporting UNCW, it feels like the CAA is not in a great place. And the travel costs alone make it a poor partner for UNCW. The Big South would consolidate travel significantly, even more than the SoCon.

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RE: The CAA schools hate each other - Article
(04-21-2021 11:48 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 11:23 AM)HawkYeah01 Wrote:  Honest question, why do people mention the SoCon frequently, but the Big South is not mentioned as a potential landing spot? I'm new to this discussion so please forgive my ignorance on the topic.

In my limited time supporting UNCW, it feels like the CAA is not in a great place. And the travel costs alone make it a poor partner for UNCW. The Big South would consolidate travel significantly, even more than the SoCon.

You and SoloHawk will make great friends.

The Big South is a drop down in competition for sure but it would make UNCW the big bully on the block and maybe use it as a setup mechanism for moving to a better conference in a few years ? I understand that lack of football could be a problem with the SoCon but maybe they take UNCW anyway .There might not be a perfect fit but anything is better than the CAA as it stands now . There is also no reason to think that the CAA is going to get better but there is some evidence that JMU is ready to leave and W&M might be gone after them.
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RE: The CAA schools hate each other - Article
(04-22-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 11:48 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 11:23 AM)HawkYeah01 Wrote:  Honest question, why do people mention the SoCon frequently, but the Big South is not mentioned as a potential landing spot? I'm new to this discussion so please forgive my ignorance on the topic.

In my limited time supporting UNCW, it feels like the CAA is not in a great place. And the travel costs alone make it a poor partner for UNCW. The Big South would consolidate travel significantly, even more than the SoCon.

You and SoloHawk will make great friends.

The Big South is a drop down in competition for sure but it would make UNCW the big bully on the block and maybe use it as a setup mechanism for moving to a better conference in a few years ? I understand that lack of football could be a problem with the SoCon but maybe they take UNCW anyway .There might not be a perfect fit but anything is better than the CAA as it stands now . There is also no reason to think that the CAA is going to get better but there is some evidence that JMU is ready to leave and W&M might be gone after them.

Currently, there really is not a perfect conference fit for us. The CAA is a mess, and the CAA leadership priorities don't really match the direction UNCW wants to go/achieve. SOCON is still largely football driven, and we all know how that plays out for us. A10 isn't logical because they don't value us as a competitor and for decent reason. Big South is just kind of gross from a competition standpoint. It would have to be viewed by UNCW as a launching block, and the fact the Big South knows that seems to make me think they'd be less interested in adding UNCW anyways. Then you have the fact you get to win the conference every year then fight through a play in game to play the overall #1 seed. No thanks.
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RE: The CAA schools hate each other - Article
(04-22-2021 09:12 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  The Big South is a drop down in competition for sure but it would make UNCW the big bully on the block and ]maybe use it as a setup mechanism for moving to a better conference in a few years?


If we go to Big South, its highly unlikely we ever leave. Also, the Big South is really focused on football now too. While I feel like they would take us if we wanted, its not as guaranteed as it used to be.

Quote:I understand that lack of football could be a problem with the SoCon but maybe they take UNCW anyway.
The SoCon taking us and CoC would be the best of a bunch of non ideal options. It would link CoC, UNCG, and UNCW and put us back in a conference that has prioritized basketball and is in the good graces of ESPN. A conference tournament in Asheville every year would be awesome. The footprint isnt incredibly ideal but its better than what we have now.

Quote:There might not be a perfect fit but anything is better than the CAA as it stands now . There is also no reason to think that the CAA is going to get better but there is some evidence that JMU is ready to leave and W&M might be gone after them.

There isnt an ideal scenario. The SoCon loves some FCS football too and doesn't have a great footprint with a lot of schools to our west in TN/AL/GA instead of to our north in VA/MD/Philly. But as it stands now it has its clear advantages over a clunky and unwieldy CAA.

Even if NCAA regulations allowed us to start a new conference, which they don't unless we want to go 8 years without an autobid, there are not enough quality schools to form a southern non football conference. Such an attempt would look like this.

UNCW
CoC
UNCG
UNCA
Winthrop
Radford
Longwood
High Point
USC Upstate
Presbyterian

It would be a heck of a lot easier just to join the Big South as is now.

Our realistic options in order of my preference
1. Join the SoCon
2. Get the CAA to do N/S divisions with UMBC and Winthrop
3. Join the Big South
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RE: The CAA schools hate each other - Article
Joining the Big South, in my opinion, would hurt our athletic program as a whole. Especially baseball.
Unless something has changed, the SoCon has zero interest in adding another non football school. UNCG is grandfathered in.
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