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RE: C-USA split?
(10-03-2020 11:05 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 11:02 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 10:50 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 08:08 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 08:01 AM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  I don’t see how reshuffling CUSA and the SB really doing anything to improve anyone’s on field performance or attendance. UAB has scheduled several SB teams for the next few years so I imagine that each institution also has the same opportunity.

Good point. my counter would be this. We would certainly have more competitive football, taking the best from both conferences.

I think it would help attendance.

However, the most important is it would allow us to renegotiate a brand new media contract

I think it's possible we could get closer to the American deal with these schools with our media numbers.

maybe not the billion dollar deal the American got, but more than the pennies were currently getting, for sure.

The problem is we would lose auto bids to all NCAA based championships including basketball. NCAA has said no more. (Well unless it was a new power conference that wanted it). This is why it’s likely either a realignment with the SBC or we keep paddling up stream in the same raft. I have often said there are the same core six to seven east of the Mississippi schools (plus La Tech) that are generally competitive nearly every year in key sports (though once one of them my university has turned into a complete shitshow). It might be worth the risk in the short term for those core schools to break off even without NCAA guarantees for a year or two. Those core could certainly try to add a couple of teams that I believe would make such a new league very competitive in the pecking order for both football and basketball. While I’m actually quite confident such a leagu could do just that I don’t believe there is anyone with the leadership at any of our schools to make it happen.

You know LA Tech won't split from the Texas programs. The only logical movement is for an eastern team or two to jump to the Sun Belt, if they can get invitations. And, that would actually help C-USA.

Temple got voted out of the Big East about 15 years ago. So, I guess if enough of C-USA programs get tired of rumblings in the east, they could always vote to remove a program or two. At least we could increase our CFP money and create a little more stability.

I’ve hear this before but don’t understand it. The leftover league would be much, much weaker and Tech could still play up to four non-conference games a year in Texas. Wouldn’t being in a stronger league be better than being in another league just because it’s based in Texas? What does playing UNT, Texas St, UTEP, etc get you that you couldn’t also achieve with your non-conf schedule?

LA Tech recruits heavily in Texas. Sure they can sign body bag games against Texas or Texas A&M, but those won't help their record or help them sign the better G5 talent in Texas. Without the Texas talent they currently sign, they would probably not be as competitive in an eastern league. If LT bailed on the rest of the C-USA Texas programs, they would probably have a hard time signing OOC games with us. This is just my opinion. An LT fan can address this better.
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RE: C-USA split?
(10-03-2020 11:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 11:05 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 11:02 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 10:50 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 08:08 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Good point. my counter would be this. We would certainly have more competitive football, taking the best from both conferences.

I think it would help attendance.

However, the most important is it would allow us to renegotiate a brand new media contract

I think it's possible we could get closer to the American deal with these schools with our media numbers.

maybe not the billion dollar deal the American got, but more than the pennies were currently getting, for sure.

The problem is we would lose auto bids to all NCAA based championships including basketball. NCAA has said no more. (Well unless it was a new power conference that wanted it). This is why it’s likely either a realignment with the SBC or we keep paddling up stream in the same raft. I have often said there are the same core six to seven east of the Mississippi schools (plus La Tech) that are generally competitive nearly every year in key sports (though once one of them my university has turned into a complete shitshow). It might be worth the risk in the short term for those core schools to break off even without NCAA guarantees for a year or two. Those core could certainly try to add a couple of teams that I believe would make such a new league very competitive in the pecking order for both football and basketball. While I’m actually quite confident such a leagu could do just that I don’t believe there is anyone with the leadership at any of our schools to make it happen.

You know LA Tech won't split from the Texas programs. The only logical movement is for an eastern team or two to jump to the Sun Belt, if they can get invitations. And, that would actually help C-USA.

Temple got voted out of the Big East about 15 years ago. So, I guess if enough of C-USA programs get tired of rumblings in the east, they could always vote to remove a program or two. At least we could increase our CFP money and create a little more stability.

I’ve hear this before but don’t understand it. The leftover league would be much, much weaker and Tech could still play up to four non-conference games a year in Texas. Wouldn’t being in a stronger league be better than being in another league just because it’s based in Texas? What does playing UNT, Texas St, UTEP, etc get you that you couldn’t also achieve with your non-conf schedule?

LA Tech recruits heavily in Texas. Sure they can sign body bag games against Texas or Texas A&M, but those won't help their record or help them sign the better G5 talent in Texas. Without the Texas talent they currently sign, they would probably not be as competitive in an eastern league. If LT bailed on the rest of the C-USA Texas programs, they would probably have a hard time signing OOC games with us. This is just my opinion. An LT fan can address this better.

Aren’t there like 50 teams in Texas. Who says it has to be UT or A&M?
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RE: C-USA split?
(10-02-2020 08:36 PM)rileylives Wrote:  If Marshall left, I only want a "best of the rest."

No FCS startups. No basketball only schools. Only committed programs. 12 from the following...

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
FAU
Charlotte
ODU
La Tech
Southern Miss
UAB
App State
Ga State
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Troy

Sorry man, 14 is about four too many.
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RE: C-USA split?
East coast league based on the C-USA East would have all East members + one or two others. So, that's what we have to start with. 7 already playing East members + GaSo and/or GaState
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RE: C-USA split?
(10-03-2020 09:23 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  03-banghead
So what other schools would Marshall want in order to create a more east coastish conference of 10, which is the sweet spot nowadays?
Assuming you start with:

Two scenarios: Geographic (which really doesn’t matter because we fly almost to ever away game) and perceptive.

Geographic:

Marshall
ODU
Liberty (and I can’t stand them)
WKU
Charlotte
App
JMU (the new conference can afford one call up)
MTSU
UAB
Troy

Perceptive (for the best conference):

Marshall
WKU
App
Charlotte
StAte
MTSU

LaTech
UAB
USM
ULL
FAU
Troy
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clt adds that any new conference needs to focus on airports, tennis facilities and light rail
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(10-03-2020 01:30 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt adds that any new conference needs to focus on airports, tennis facilities and light rail

Airport Conference

FIU
GA State
Charlotte
Memphis
Tulane
Temple
UCF
Cincinnati
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RE: C-USA split?
(10-03-2020 12:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
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(10-02-2020 09:24 PM)rileylives Wrote:  It would be interesting to see where Southern Miss and UAB would throw its allegiance down. Would they want to go with the Texas schools, or would they want to join this best of the rest configuration?

I think a reconfigured conference would get a pretty good media contract, it would also reduce travel.

Marshall has already proven that apart from the CUSA locked in games, we can draw good TV numbers, and draw games with ESPN and other large carriers.

I just don't see how CUSA can stay together considering all that they've shown us in the last few years, especially this season.

Care to let everyone else know what these good TV numbers are?

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

Marshall vs EKU 980,000 viewers
Marshall vs App State 1.25 million viewers

The top two highest rated CUSA games this year. By far.

Is that butts on couches or channels scanned!?
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(10-03-2020 08:51 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  Look guys, Joe is right. You split off, the deal is that you have to take Judy. We'll hold on to the power wheels jeep, but you guys have to take the commish.

We will go rehire Maddie and make her our new commissioner.

No deal! Jeep comes with us!
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(10-03-2020 01:49 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 12:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 10:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:24 PM)rileylives Wrote:  It would be interesting to see where Southern Miss and UAB would throw its allegiance down. Would they want to go with the Texas schools, or would they want to join this best of the rest configuration?

I think a reconfigured conference would get a pretty good media contract, it would also reduce travel.

Marshall has already proven that apart from the CUSA locked in games, we can draw good TV numbers, and draw games with ESPN and other large carriers.

I just don't see how CUSA can stay together considering all that they've shown us in the last few years, especially this season.

Care to let everyone else know what these good TV numbers are?

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

Marshall vs EKU 980,000 viewers
Marshall vs App State 1.25 million viewers

The top two highest rated CUSA games this year. By far.

Is that butts on couches or channels scanned!?

Well, if we only had one viewer it would be more that what you have this year.
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(10-03-2020 10:59 AM)winston70 Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 12:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 10:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:24 PM)rileylives Wrote:  It would be interesting to see where Southern Miss and UAB would throw its allegiance down. Would they want to go with the Texas schools, or would they want to join this best of the rest configuration?

I think a reconfigured conference would get a pretty good media contract, it would also reduce travel.

Marshall has already proven that apart from the CUSA locked in games, we can draw good TV numbers, and draw games with ESPN and other large carriers.

I just don't see how CUSA can stay together considering all that they've shown us in the last few years, especially this season.

Care to let everyone else know what these good TV numbers are?

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

Marshall vs EKU 980,000 viewers
Marshall vs App State 1.25 million viewers

The top two highest rated CUSA games this year. By far.

Better than the Tech vs BYU game last night?

TBD. Week 5 games haven't posted ratings yet.

Very unlikely though, as most ESPN2 games get well under those numbers. The only one who's come close to that this year is a P5 game. And that one had an asterisk on it.
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I was mostly providing the proof, because I knew where WKUYG's head was at. He thinks I was just pulling my opinion and numbers out of thin air.

Just showing that typically when given the opportunity, Marshall does very well on ESPN and national broadcasts.
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(10-03-2020 01:52 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 08:51 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  Look guys, Joe is right. You split off, the deal is that you have to take Judy. We'll hold on to the power wheels jeep, but you guys have to take the commish.

We will go rehire Maddie and make her our new commissioner.

No deal! Jeep comes with us!

Oh fine. Take the jeep. But you'll have to spring for the insurance because CUSA stopped paying years ago.
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(10-03-2020 12:21 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 08:36 PM)rileylives Wrote:  If Marshall left, I only want a "best of the rest."

No FCS startups. No basketball only schools. Only committed programs. 12 from the following...

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
FAU
Charlotte
ODU
La Tech
Southern Miss
UAB
App State
Ga State
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Troy

Sorry man, 14 is about four too many.

I just offered up a list of 14 to get a conversation started of a solid 12. Others have said 10. I like either a 10 or 12 team league.
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(10-03-2020 09:29 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  All this talk about an East Coast conference seems to assume the west teams would just be SOL. I think a western conference would be good for Rice. We used to be in a Texas-centric conference, the Southwest Conference, and I think it could work again. Just as the east coasters don’t like the long trip to Texas, Texans don’t like the long trips East. Maybe attendance will go up with more local opponents rather than teams that nobody here cares about.

Sounds like a win-win. Let’s split.

Agree. Let's split. The Great Southwest...

UTEP
UTSA
Texas State
Rice
North Texas
Arkansas State
Louisiana Tech
ULL
Southern Mississippi

Done.
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(10-03-2020 12:38 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 09:23 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  03-banghead
So what other schools would Marshall want in order to create a more east coastish conference of 10, which is the sweet spot nowadays?
Assuming you start with:

Two scenarios: Geographic (which really doesn’t matter because we fly almost to ever away game) and perceptive.

Geographic:

Marshall
ODU
Liberty (and I can’t stand them)
WKU
Charlotte
App
JMU (the new conference can afford one call up)
MTSU
UAB
Troy

Perceptive (for the best conference):

Marshall
WKU
App
Charlotte
StAte
MTSU

LaTech
UAB
USM
ULL
FAU
Troy



That second one looks pretty good and reasonable.

A case can be made for ODU probably, they might be in in one of those other teams might be out.
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(10-03-2020 12:30 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  East coast league based on the C-USA East would have all East members + one or two others. So, that's what we have to start with. 7 already playing East members + GaSo and/or GaState

+UAB. They're more eastern than western.
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RE: C-USA split?
(10-03-2020 02:09 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 01:49 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 12:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 10:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:24 PM)rileylives Wrote:  It would be interesting to see where Southern Miss and UAB would throw its allegiance down. Would they want to go with the Texas schools, or would they want to join this best of the rest configuration?

I think a reconfigured conference would get a pretty good media contract, it would also reduce travel.

Marshall has already proven that apart from the CUSA locked in games, we can draw good TV numbers, and draw games with ESPN and other large carriers.

I just don't see how CUSA can stay together considering all that they've shown us in the last few years, especially this season.

Care to let everyone else know what these good TV numbers are?

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

Marshall vs EKU 980,000 viewers
Marshall vs App State 1.25 million viewers

The top two highest rated CUSA games this year. By far.

Is that butts on couches or channels scanned!?

Well, if we only had one viewer it would be more that what you have this year.

Sarcasm is not your thing I see.
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(10-03-2020 02:20 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 01:52 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  
(10-03-2020 08:51 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  Look guys, Joe is right. You split off, the deal is that you have to take Judy. We'll hold on to the power wheels jeep, but you guys have to take the commish.

We will go rehire Maddie and make her our new commissioner.

No deal! Jeep comes with us!

Oh fine. Take the jeep. But you'll have to spring for the insurance because CUSA stopped paying years ago.

Woah! No one said anything about insurance!? At least cover the property taxes??
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