(10-10-2020 02:17 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 01:34 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Joe,

Marshall, USM, UAB, LaTech and APP > UNT, Rice, UTSA, UTEP, TXST brand-wise and media-wise.

Most FB exposure happens in the eastern time zone. Ever hear of east coast bias? It exists.

I don't know if I can agree with your statement. These licensing numbers might indicate there is more value in the western programs than you give us credit for....

3 Year licensing Revenue Rankings
1. Marshall
2. North Texas
3. UTSA
3. UTEP
5. ODU
6. Southern Miss
7. MTSU
8. FAU
9. WKU
9. FIU
11. Charlotte
12. UAB
13. LA Tech
Rice not reported

The numbers came from the reported athletic budget breakdowns, and reflect a 3 year average of revenues earned through licensing of each program.

Not going to lie, that UTSA and UTEP standing is shocking.

Also, I would have thought ODU would have been maybe even lower down that list. And La Tech being where they are is quite surprising as well.

If you consider the population of their communities it's not shocking. San Antonio and El Paso are larger cities with no competition for college football. Those programs can garner sponsorships and sell merch in their cities. And, being in larger cities, UTEP and UTSA have larger sponsors, and more of them to choose from, which allows them toy earn more. Marshall, while not in a major population, has a more national brand and sell merch outside their community. Southern Miss is in a similar situation. UAB and Charlotte surprised me. Both should have much more success in their regions. The rest are basically victims of their locations.

(10-10-2020 02:31 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:17 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 01:34 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Joe,

Marshall, USM, UAB, LaTech and APP > UNT, Rice, UTSA, UTEP, TXST brand-wise and media-wise.

Most FB exposure happens in the eastern time zone. Ever hear of east coast bias? It exists.

I don't know if I can agree with your statement. These licensing numbers might indicate there is more value in the western programs than you give us credit for....

3 Year licensing Revenue Rankings
1. Marshall
2. North Texas
3. UTSA
3. UTEP
5. ODU
6. Southern Miss
7. MTSU
8. FAU
9. WKU
9. FIU
11. Charlotte
12. UAB
13. LA Tech
Rice not reported

The numbers came from the reported athletic budget breakdowns, and reflect a 3 year average of revenues earned through licensing of each program.

Not going to lie, that UTSA and UTEP standing is shocking.

Also, I would have thought ODU would have been maybe even lower down that list. And La Tech being where they are is quite surprising as well.

If you consider the population of their communities it's not shocking. San Antonio and El Paso are larger cities with no competition for college football. Those programs can garner sponsorships and sell merch in their cities. And, being in larger cities, UTEP and UTSA have larger sponsors, and more of them to choose from, which allows them toy earn more. Marshall, while not in a major population, has a more national brand and sell merch outside their community. Southern Miss is in a similar situation. UAB and Charlotte surprised me. Both should have much more success in their regions. The rest are basically victims of their locations.

But the question is can they ever escape their location problem? That’s like saying a blind man can’t fly a plane, so it’s not his fault. Bottom line is he will never be able to fly, in this lifetime anyway.

clt says Charlotte is a media darling. ESPN all the time

(10-10-2020 12:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:54 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Okay, then replace FAU with Troy

Or, even better,

replace GaState with FIU

Yes

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(10-10-2020 04:49 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:31 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:17 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 01:34 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Joe,

Marshall, USM, UAB, LaTech and APP > UNT, Rice, UTSA, UTEP, TXST brand-wise and media-wise.

Most FB exposure happens in the eastern time zone. Ever hear of east coast bias? It exists.

I don't know if I can agree with your statement. These licensing numbers might indicate there is more value in the western programs than you give us credit for....

3 Year licensing Revenue Rankings
1. Marshall
2. North Texas
3. UTSA
3. UTEP
5. ODU
6. Southern Miss
7. MTSU
8. FAU
9. WKU
9. FIU
11. Charlotte
12. UAB
13. LA Tech
Rice not reported

The numbers came from the reported athletic budget breakdowns, and reflect a 3 year average of revenues earned through licensing of each program.

Not going to lie, that UTSA and UTEP standing is shocking.

Also, I would have thought ODU would have been maybe even lower down that list. And La Tech being where they are is quite surprising as well.

If you consider the population of their communities it's not shocking. San Antonio and El Paso are larger cities with no competition for college football. Those programs can garner sponsorships and sell merch in their cities. And, being in larger cities, UTEP and UTSA have larger sponsors, and more of them to choose from, which allows them toy earn more. Marshall, while not in a major population, has a more national brand and sell merch outside their community. Southern Miss is in a similar situation. UAB and Charlotte surprised me. Both should have much more success in their regions. The rest are basically victims of their locations.

But the question is can they ever escape their location problem? That’s like saying a blind man can’t fly a plane, so it’s not his fault. Bottom line is he will never be able to fly, in this lifetime anyway.

Yes, but they have almost no control over that. To overcome their locations, they need to bring industry and people to their regions. That is a matter of state and local leadership, and to a large extent, natural resources. The only other option is to become a national online diploma mill and include hefty athletic fees into the cost of tuition.

(10-02-2020 07:31 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

I think we all have a pretty good guess who the ringleader(s) would be. The real question is how many were/are the "multiple schools"?

I would LOVE it! Zero reason Marshall needs to be in a conf with any school west of the Mississippi River.

(10-02-2020 10:28 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Never thought that the Old Big East would split into the the AAC and new Big East so anything is possible with a media deal. That said don't think one is coming.

Old “Big East”....
You mean old Conf USA. There was nothing Big East about it.

(10-03-2020 06:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 08:36 PM)rileylives Wrote:  If Marshall left, I only want a "best of the rest."

No FCS startups. No basketball only schools. Only committed programs. 12 from the following...

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
FAU
Charlotte
ODU
La Tech
Southern Miss
UAB
App State
Ga State
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Troy

Umm...


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Feeling is beyond mutual. I would not want to be away from FAU & FIU & why not both GA schools? Of course I’d also prefer Coastal Car as well. The closer the schools are the better.

(10-03-2020 08:51 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  Look guys, Joe is right. You split off, the deal is that you have to take Judy. We'll hold on to the power wheels jeep, but you guys have to take the commish.

We will go rehire Maddie and make her our new commissioner.

Why does the West get the Power Wheels????!?!?!? Dallas is the HQ and that’s where her office is. She stays with her office. The Power Wheels comes East to the MTNs

(10-10-2020 02:31 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:17 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 01:34 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Joe,

Marshall, USM, UAB, LaTech and APP > UNT, Rice, UTSA, UTEP, TXST brand-wise and media-wise.

Most FB exposure happens in the eastern time zone. Ever hear of east coast bias? It exists.

I don't know if I can agree with your statement. These licensing numbers might indicate there is more value in the western programs than you give us credit for....

3 Year licensing Revenue Rankings
1. Marshall
2. North Texas
3. UTSA
3. UTEP
5. ODU
6. Southern Miss
7. MTSU
8. FAU
9. WKU
9. FIU
11. Charlotte
12. UAB
13. LA Tech
Rice not reported

The numbers came from the reported athletic budget breakdowns, and reflect a 3 year average of revenues earned through licensing of each program.

Not going to lie, that UTSA and UTEP standing is shocking.

Also, I would have thought ODU would have been maybe even lower down that list. And La Tech being where they are is quite surprising as well.

If you consider the population of their communities it's not shocking. San Antonio and El Paso are larger cities with no competition for college football. Those programs can garner sponsorships and sell merch in their cities. And, being in larger cities, UTEP and UTSA have larger sponsors, and more of them to choose from, which allows them toy earn more. Marshall, while not in a major population, has a more national brand and sell merch outside their community. Southern Miss is in a similar situation. UAB and Charlotte surprised me. Both should have much more success in their regions. The rest are basically victims of their locations.

Technically not true for UTSA because Incarnate Word has actually had football 2 years longer than we have, albeit at the FCS level. I get what you're saying though because in terms of the hearts and minds of the city, UIW is a distant second to us. Must also say though that UTSA is still a distant second to the Longhorns in our own city, and probably will be for the foreseeable future.

(10-11-2020 04:50 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 04:49 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:31 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:17 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 02:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't know if I can agree with your statement. These licensing numbers might indicate there is more value in the western programs than you give us credit for....

3 Year licensing Revenue Rankings
1. Marshall
2. North Texas
3. UTSA
3. UTEP
5. ODU
6. Southern Miss
7. MTSU
8. FAU
9. WKU
9. FIU
11. Charlotte
12. UAB
13. LA Tech
Rice not reported

The numbers came from the reported athletic budget breakdowns, and reflect a 3 year average of revenues earned through licensing of each program.

Not going to lie, that UTSA and UTEP standing is shocking.

Also, I would have thought ODU would have been maybe even lower down that list. And La Tech being where they are is quite surprising as well.

If you consider the population of their communities it's not shocking. San Antonio and El Paso are larger cities with no competition for college football. Those programs can garner sponsorships and sell merch in their cities. And, being in larger cities, UTEP and UTSA have larger sponsors, and more of them to choose from, which allows them toy earn more. Marshall, while not in a major population, has a more national brand and sell merch outside their community. Southern Miss is in a similar situation. UAB and Charlotte surprised me. Both should have much more success in their regions. The rest are basically victims of their locations.

But the question is can they ever escape their location problem? That’s like saying a blind man can’t fly a plane, so it’s not his fault. Bottom line is he will never be able to fly, in this lifetime anyway.

Yes, but they have almost no control over that. To overcome their locations, they need to bring industry and people to their regions. That is a matter of state and local leadership, and to a large extent, natural resources. The only other option is to become a national online diploma mill and include hefty athletic fees into the cost of tuition.

Yeah, but that is exactly my point. Location is basically immutable, which will always limit the expansion of those in a bad one. And the opposite is also true as a good location with a large base of potential fans can greatly help a program.

(10-11-2020 05:23 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(10-03-2020 08:51 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  Look guys, Joe is right. You split off, the deal is that you have to take Judy. We'll hold on to the power wheels jeep, but you guys have to take the commish.

We will go rehire Maddie and make her our new commissioner.

Why does the West get the Power Wheels????!?!?!? Dallas is the HQ and that’s where her office is. She stays with her office. The Power Wheels comes East to the MTNs

Sorry to say the Power Wheels was repossessed when Dynacraft stopped being the sponsor. The conference does get a pretty good discount on their annual tax preparation now with Ryan as a sponsor.

(10-10-2020 01:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:26 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 09:44 AM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(10-09-2020 11:14 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I could see why a western conference with Louisiana Tech, Southern Mississippi, and ULL would be appealing to UAB.

Only if that conference contains no more than 1 or 2 Texas schools.

I seriously doubt that.

I don’t think a a league with a bunch of Texas teams will be that appealing to UAB, even with USM. I think the goal would be to convince USM to come east, not the other way around.

I think the eastern teams think C-USA leans too heavily to the west, specifically favoring Texas, and they have good points. In my opinion C-USA's best bowl ties are in the west. The only guaranteed eastern bowl isn't even in the country (Bahamas Bowl). The west enjoys guaranteed games in the New Orleans Bowl and Independence Bowl, plus ties to the First Responders Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, & Frisco Bowl). The conference headquarters is in Dallas. And, our basketball tournament is in Dallas.

I can totally understand the east's frustration, but the money seems to be overwhelmingly in the west. C-USA makes almost nothing from our media deals, so aside from NCAA and CFP monies, our main conference revenue probably comes from sponsorships, which seem to mostly come from corporations located in the western half of C-USA. If some eastern programs choose to leave, they may have a hard time finding the same value of sponsorship and bowl ties without the western presence, and that could be a major factor in keeping programs like Southern Miss or even UAB tied to the western programs. University presidents will certainly consider the potential financial impact when picking a side.

Membership dues are the highest source of revenue next to CFP monies...more than NCAA/NIT rev, tv and bowl $ (individually not collectively). This is why CUSA isn't kicking anyone out, and most likely one of biggest gripes amongst paying members.

https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/201...1601822819

(10-11-2020 11:17 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:54 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Okay, then replace FAU with Troy

Or, even better,

replace GaState with FIU

Yes

For a fan who doesn't care about SBC/CUSA realignment threads because y'all are "headed to the AAC" you sure do care about SBC/CUSA realignment threads

(10-12-2020 04:24 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(10-11-2020 11:17 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:54 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Okay, then replace FAU with Troy

Or, even better,

replace GaState with FIU

Yes

For a fan who doesn't care about SBC/CUSA realignment threads because y'all are "headed to the AAC" you sure do care about SBC/CUSA realignment threads

Just for clarification, who are you addressing here?

(10-12-2020 04:29 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(10-12-2020 04:24 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(10-11-2020 11:17 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:54 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Okay, then replace FAU with Troy

Or, even better,

replace GaState with FIU

Yes

For a fan who doesn't care about SBC/CUSA realignment threads because y'all are "headed to the AAC" you sure do care about SBC/CUSA realignment threads

Just for clarification, who are you addressing here?

The user I was replying to. The one who’s posted overwhelmingly more than anyone else in a thread he pretends not to care about.

(10-12-2020 05:26 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(10-12-2020 04:29 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(10-12-2020 04:24 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(10-11-2020 11:17 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Or, even better,

replace GaState with FIU

Yes

For a fan who doesn't care about SBC/CUSA realignment threads because y'all are "headed to the AAC" you sure do care about SBC/CUSA realignment threads

Just for clarification, who are you addressing here?

The user I was replying to. The one who’s posted overwhelmingly more than anyone else in a thread he pretends not to care about.

Panama is one of your boys!

Bring on the conference of hate and rivalry

Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
WKU
MTSU
Marshall
Georgia Southern
App state
Arkansas State
Southern Miss
UAB

And since FAU doesn’t work out without FIU hello Troy and Coastal giving us:

West:
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
Arkansas State
Southern Miss
UAB
Troy

East:
App State
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
Coastal
Georgia Southern

By doing this if gives the big city schools the “airport conference” they want

Georgia State
Charlotte
ODU
FAU
FIU
USA
Little Rock
UTA
UNT
Rice
UTSA
Texas State
UTEP
NMST

Sorry ULM I’m sure your old friends in the Southland would love to see you again.

(10-11-2020 05:17 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(10-03-2020 06:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 08:36 PM)rileylives Wrote:  If Marshall left, I only want a "best of the rest."

No FCS startups. No basketball only schools. Only committed programs. 12 from the following...

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
FAU
Charlotte
ODU
La Tech
Southern Miss
UAB
App State
Ga State
Louisiana
Arkansas State
Troy

Umm...


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Feeling is beyond mutual. I would not want to be away from FAU & FIU & why not both GA schools? Of course I’d also prefer Coastal Car as well. The closer the schools are the better.

Naw. Just take GS. They are the better program.

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(10-12-2020 05:26 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(10-12-2020 04:29 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(10-12-2020 04:24 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(10-11-2020 11:17 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-10-2020 12:55 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Or, even better,

replace GaState with FIU

Yes

For a fan who doesn't care about SBC/CUSA realignment threads because y'all are "headed to the AAC" you sure do care about SBC/CUSA realignment threads

Just for clarification, who are you addressing here?

The user I was replying to. The one who’s posted overwhelmingly more than anyone else in a thread he pretends not to care about.

He's my roadie

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