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(10-25-2020 07:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Time to pull a page from the Mountain West playbook and form a completely new conference. With the exception of Liberty's massive online program, the schools are remarkably similar. Talk about a tight footprint. Hopefully people can get over their personal issues with Liberty and look at athletics.

School / Undergraduate Enrollment / Football "seating" capacity / Basketball arena
App - 20,000 / 23,500 (30K with the bank) / 8,300
Charlotte - 24,000 / 15,000 / 9,100
Coastal - 10,500 / 21,000 / 3,370
Ga So - 22,700 / 21,500 (25K with banks) / 4,300
GA St - 32,000 / 24,300 / 3,850
JMU - 21,200 / 24,900 / 8,500
Liberty - 15,000 (on campus) / 25,000 / 8,100
Marshall - 9,400 / 38,000 / 9,000
ODU - 19,200 / 22,000 / 8,600
UAB - 22,500 / 47,000 (new stadium) / 8,500

Travel partners work out extremely well. Marshall-JMU / Charlotte-App / Coastal-GA So / Liberty-ODU / GA State - UAB

If Liberty wins again next week and gets ranked you'd have 4 teams who have been ranked this year. That would be a fun league. I think only the AAC has had 4 different teams ranked in a season.
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(Yesterday 07:51 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 07:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Time to pull a page from the Mountain West playbook and form a completely new conference. With the exception of Liberty's massive online program, the schools are remarkably similar. Talk about a tight footprint. Hopefully people can get over their personal issues with Liberty and look at athletics.

School / Undergraduate Enrollment / Football "seating" capacity / Basketball arena
App - 20,000 / 23,500 (30K with the bank) / 8,300
Charlotte - 24,000 / 15,000 / 9,100
Coastal - 10,500 / 21,000 / 3,370
Ga So - 22,700 / 21,500 (25K with banks) / 4,300
GA St - 32,000 / 24,300 / 3,850
JMU - 21,200 / 24,900 / 8,500
Liberty - 15,000 (on campus) / 25,000 / 8,100
Marshall - 9,400 / 38,000 / 9,000
ODU - 19,200 / 22,000 / 8,600
UAB - 22,500 / 47,000 (new stadium) / 8,500

Travel partners work out extremely well. Marshall-JMU / Charlotte-App / Coastal-GA So / Liberty-ODU / GA State - UAB

Also worth noting that Ga State and Southern both have new 8k seat basketball arena's currently in development

Forgot about that. Good point.
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-25-2020 07:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Time to pull a page from the Mountain West playbook and form a completely new conference. With the exception of Liberty's massive online program, the schools are remarkably similar. Talk about a tight footprint. Hopefully people can get over their personal issues with Liberty and look at athletics.

School / Undergraduate Enrollment / Football "seating" capacity / Basketball arena
App - 20,000 / 23,500 (30K with the bank) / 8,300
Charlotte - 24,000 / 15,000 / 9,100
Coastal - 10,500 / 21,000 / 3,370
Ga So - 22,700 / 21,500 (25K with banks) / 4,300
GA St - 32,000 / 24,300 / 3,850
JMU - 21,200 / 24,900 / 8,500
Liberty - 15,000 (on campus) / 25,000 / 8,100
Marshall - 9,400 / 38,000 / 9,000
ODU - 19,200 / 22,000 / 8,600
UAB - 22,500 / 47,000 (new stadium) / 8,500

Travel partners work out extremely well. Marshall-JMU / Charlotte-App / Coastal-GA So / Liberty-ODU / GA State - UAB

This feels like a step backwards for App, UAB and Marshall.
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(Yesterday 11:12 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 07:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Time to pull a page from the Mountain West playbook and form a completely new conference. With the exception of Liberty's massive online program, the schools are remarkably similar. Talk about a tight footprint. Hopefully people can get over their personal issues with Liberty and look at athletics.

School / Undergraduate Enrollment / Football "seating" capacity / Basketball arena
App - 20,000 / 23,500 (30K with the bank) / 8,300
Charlotte - 24,000 / 15,000 / 9,100
Coastal - 10,500 / 21,000 / 3,370
Ga So - 22,700 / 21,500 (25K with banks) / 4,300
GA St - 32,000 / 24,300 / 3,850
JMU - 21,200 / 24,900 / 8,500
Liberty - 15,000 (on campus) / 25,000 / 8,100
Marshall - 9,400 / 38,000 / 9,000
ODU - 19,200 / 22,000 / 8,600
UAB - 22,500 / 47,000 (new stadium) / 8,500

Travel partners work out extremely well. Marshall-JMU / Charlotte-App / Coastal-GA So / Liberty-ODU / GA State - UAB

This feels like a step backwards for App, UAB and Marshall.

That league would have had 3 teams ranked this season and another on the verge with Liberty. I don't see it as a step back at all.
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(Yesterday 11:12 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 07:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Time to pull a page from the Mountain West playbook and form a completely new conference. With the exception of Liberty's massive online program, the schools are remarkably similar. Talk about a tight footprint. Hopefully people can get over their personal issues with Liberty and look at athletics.

School / Undergraduate Enrollment / Football "seating" capacity / Basketball arena
App - 20,000 / 23,500 (30K with the bank) / 8,300
Charlotte - 24,000 / 15,000 / 9,100
Coastal - 10,500 / 21,000 / 3,370
Ga So - 22,700 / 21,500 (25K with banks) / 4,300
GA St - 32,000 / 24,300 / 3,850
JMU - 21,200 / 24,900 / 8,500
Liberty - 15,000 (on campus) / 25,000 / 8,100
Marshall - 9,400 / 38,000 / 9,000
ODU - 19,200 / 22,000 / 8,600
UAB - 22,500 / 47,000 (new stadium) / 8,500

Travel partners work out extremely well. Marshall-JMU / Charlotte-App / Coastal-GA So / Liberty-ODU / GA State - UAB

This feels like a step backwards for App, UAB and Marshall.

Wait...so you're saying that league is worse than the current CUSA or Sun Belt?
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(Yesterday 11:12 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 07:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Time to pull a page from the Mountain West playbook and form a completely new conference. With the exception of Liberty's massive online program, the schools are remarkably similar. Talk about a tight footprint. Hopefully people can get over their personal issues with Liberty and look at athletics.

School / Undergraduate Enrollment / Football "seating" capacity / Basketball arena
App - 20,000 / 23,500 (30K with the bank) / 8,300
Charlotte - 24,000 / 15,000 / 9,100
Coastal - 10,500 / 21,000 / 3,370
Ga So - 22,700 / 21,500 (25K with banks) / 4,300
GA St - 32,000 / 24,300 / 3,850
JMU - 21,200 / 24,900 / 8,500
Liberty - 15,000 (on campus) / 25,000 / 8,100
Marshall - 9,400 / 38,000 / 9,000
ODU - 19,200 / 22,000 / 8,600
UAB - 22,500 / 47,000 (new stadium) / 8,500

Travel partners work out extremely well. Marshall-JMU / Charlotte-App / Coastal-GA So / Liberty-ODU / GA State - UAB

This feels like a step backwards for App, UAB and Marshall.

How so? I think at a minimum it's equal to the SBC, but without the travel costs. Add in more rivalries and a likely increase in attendance with less fan travel.

Look at it this way:
Marshall=Louisiana
UAB=Troy
Liberty=stAte
UNCC=USA
ODU= Texas State
JMU=ULM

Outside of Liberty not having the history of stAte the rest are pretty similar. JMU would likely have a higher ceiling than ULM so these equal out.
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(Yesterday 12:18 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:12 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 07:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Time to pull a page from the Mountain West playbook and form a completely new conference. With the exception of Liberty's massive online program, the schools are remarkably similar. Talk about a tight footprint. Hopefully people can get over their personal issues with Liberty and look at athletics.

School / Undergraduate Enrollment / Football "seating" capacity / Basketball arena
App - 20,000 / 23,500 (30K with the bank) / 8,300
Charlotte - 24,000 / 15,000 / 9,100
Coastal - 10,500 / 21,000 / 3,370
Ga So - 22,700 / 21,500 (25K with banks) / 4,300
GA St - 32,000 / 24,300 / 3,850
JMU - 21,200 / 24,900 / 8,500
Liberty - 15,000 (on campus) / 25,000 / 8,100
Marshall - 9,400 / 38,000 / 9,000
ODU - 19,200 / 22,000 / 8,600
UAB - 22,500 / 47,000 (new stadium) / 8,500

Travel partners work out extremely well. Marshall-JMU / Charlotte-App / Coastal-GA So / Liberty-ODU / GA State - UAB

This feels like a step backwards for App, UAB and Marshall.

That league would have had 3 teams ranked this season and another on the verge with Liberty. I don't see it as a step back at all.

It looks like a FCS division to me.
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I still think UAB has a shot at the American. Eventually the league will want to be at an even number in football and basketball.

If the league wanted fixed cross division rivals in football, UAB fits there as well:

West / East

Navy / Temple
Memphis / UAB
Houston / Cincinnati
Tulsa / USF
SMU / UCF
Tulane / East Carolina
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(Yesterday 11:12 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 07:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Time to pull a page from the Mountain West playbook and form a completely new conference. With the exception of Liberty's massive online program, the schools are remarkably similar. Talk about a tight footprint. Hopefully people can get over their personal issues with Liberty and look at athletics.

School / Undergraduate Enrollment / Football "seating" capacity / Basketball arena
App - 20,000 / 23,500 (30K with the bank) / 8,300
Charlotte - 24,000 / 15,000 / 9,100
Coastal - 10,500 / 21,000 / 3,370
Ga So - 22,700 / 21,500 (25K with banks) / 4,300
GA St - 32,000 / 24,300 / 3,850
JMU - 21,200 / 24,900 / 8,500
Liberty - 15,000 (on campus) / 25,000 / 8,100
Marshall - 9,400 / 38,000 / 9,000
ODU - 19,200 / 22,000 / 8,600
UAB - 22,500 / 47,000 (new stadium) / 8,500

Travel partners work out extremely well. Marshall-JMU / Charlotte-App / Coastal-GA So / Liberty-ODU / GA State - UAB

This feels like a step backwards for App, UAB and Marshall.

That is a good point as many SBC/CUSA members might feel like their present conference alignments and brand overall are superior to a new more regional setup.

Also why I've said the answer for CUSA might be just to expand to 16 with something like Louisiana and App State to regain the FB edge and reduce cross divisional travel costs. Both may agree just to be in there with another in-state team.

Cutting the pie 14 ways is a lot, cutting it 16 is just a little more but might be worth it if the sum of the parts equals a greater whole.
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(Today 09:06 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:12 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 07:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Time to pull a page from the Mountain West playbook and form a completely new conference. With the exception of Liberty's massive online program, the schools are remarkably similar. Talk about a tight footprint. Hopefully people can get over their personal issues with Liberty and look at athletics.

School / Undergraduate Enrollment / Football "seating" capacity / Basketball arena
App - 20,000 / 23,500 (30K with the bank) / 8,300
Charlotte - 24,000 / 15,000 / 9,100
Coastal - 10,500 / 21,000 / 3,370
Ga So - 22,700 / 21,500 (25K with banks) / 4,300
GA St - 32,000 / 24,300 / 3,850
JMU - 21,200 / 24,900 / 8,500
Liberty - 15,000 (on campus) / 25,000 / 8,100
Marshall - 9,400 / 38,000 / 9,000
ODU - 19,200 / 22,000 / 8,600
UAB - 22,500 / 47,000 (new stadium) / 8,500

Travel partners work out extremely well. Marshall-JMU / Charlotte-App / Coastal-GA So / Liberty-ODU / GA State - UAB

This feels like a step backwards for App, UAB and Marshall.

That is a good point as many SBC/CUSA members might feel like their present conference alignments and brand overall are superior to a new more regional setup.

Also why I've said the answer for CUSA might be just to expand to 16 with something like Louisiana and App State to regain the FB edge and reduce cross divisional travel costs. Both may agree just to be in there with another in-state team.

Cutting the pie 14 ways is a lot, cutting it 16 is just a little more but might be worth it if the sum of the parts equals a greater whole.

Yes exactly. I’m not trying to be some entitled dbag about App State claiming we deserve better or something. I’m just saying - if App’s long term goal as an athletic department is to say, be P5 or be in the AAC - I’m not sure how joining a regional travel friendly conference filled largely with FCS call-ups (of which App is one) helps that cause. Also to be clear I’m not saying those are the goals nor am I saying they will happen.

If our goal and the point of moving to FBS was just to play against Georgia State, JMU, UNCC, Ga Southern, Coastal Carolina, Liberty, and ODU, then so be it. But that reminds me of the Southern Conference in 1995.

Frankly the other schools listed here^^^ should be saying the same thing I am. And probably why this conference won’t happen. And to avoid some bias here, exclude App and this is most definitely a step backwards for UAB and Marshall who used to share a conference with what are now ACC and BIG12 schools. UAB used to play against Louisville, TCU, Cincinnati, UCF etc. Now they are going to replace them with Liberty and ODU because it’s a shorter bus ride?

So I guess the larger question for all of these institutions listed was, did they move FBS to progress or move FBS to maintain status quo?
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(Today 09:55 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  
(Today 09:06 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:12 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  
(10-25-2020 07:43 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Time to pull a page from the Mountain West playbook and form a completely new conference. With the exception of Liberty's massive online program, the schools are remarkably similar. Talk about a tight footprint. Hopefully people can get over their personal issues with Liberty and look at athletics.

School / Undergraduate Enrollment / Football "seating" capacity / Basketball arena
App - 20,000 / 23,500 (30K with the bank) / 8,300
Charlotte - 24,000 / 15,000 / 9,100
Coastal - 10,500 / 21,000 / 3,370
Ga So - 22,700 / 21,500 (25K with banks) / 4,300
GA St - 32,000 / 24,300 / 3,850
JMU - 21,200 / 24,900 / 8,500
Liberty - 15,000 (on campus) / 25,000 / 8,100
Marshall - 9,400 / 38,000 / 9,000
ODU - 19,200 / 22,000 / 8,600
UAB - 22,500 / 47,000 (new stadium) / 8,500

Travel partners work out extremely well. Marshall-JMU / Charlotte-App / Coastal-GA So / Liberty-ODU / GA State - UAB

This feels like a step backwards for App, UAB and Marshall.

That is a good point as many SBC/CUSA members might feel like their present conference alignments and brand overall are superior to a new more regional setup.

Also why I've said the answer for CUSA might be just to expand to 16 with something like Louisiana and App State to regain the FB edge and reduce cross divisional travel costs. Both may agree just to be in there with another in-state team.

Cutting the pie 14 ways is a lot, cutting it 16 is just a little more but might be worth it if the sum of the parts equals a greater whole.

Yes exactly. I’m not trying to be some entitled dbag about App State claiming we deserve better or something. I’m just saying - if App’s long term goal as an athletic department is to say, be P5 or be in the AAC - I’m not sure how joining a regional travel friendly conference filled largely with FCS call-ups (of which App is one) helps that cause. Also to be clear I’m not saying those are the goals nor am I saying they will happen.

If our goal and the point of moving to FBS was just to play against Georgia State, JMU, UNCC, Ga Southern, Coastal Carolina, Liberty, and ODU, then so be it. But that reminds me of the Southern Conference in 1995.

Frankly the other schools listed here^^^ should be saying the same thing I am. And probably why this conference won’t happen. And to avoid some bias here, exclude App and this is most definitely a step backwards for UAB and Marshall who used to share a conference with what are now ACC and BIG12 schools. UAB used to play against Louisville, TCU, Cincinnati, UCF etc. Now they are going to replace them with Liberty and ODU because it’s a shorter bus ride?

So I guess the larger question for all of these institutions listed was, did they move FBS to progress or move FBS to maintain status quo?

Realistically we are already in a conference of former i-AA/FCS teams outside of Louisiana. This regional conference isn't my ultimate goal either, but it is at the very least a lateral move that will remove a ton of expenses. It should also increase some revenues. Also, unless there are some major shifts above us we aren't going anywhere for a while.

It has advantages over the SBC with being regional such as building better rivalries that get fans involved. That would increase fan interest, ticket sales, and giving. All of these are areas we need to improve if we want to move up in the future. We're doing what we can on the field, but conferences want to see strong finances as much as anything.
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(Today 10:58 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  
(Today 09:55 AM)ah59396 Wrote:  Yes exactly. I’m not trying to be some entitled dbag about App State claiming we deserve better or something. I’m just saying - if App’s long term goal as an athletic department is to say, be P5 or be in the AAC - I’m not sure how joining a regional travel friendly conference filled largely with FCS call-ups (of which App is one) helps that cause. Also to be clear I’m not saying those are the goals nor am I saying they will happen.

If our goal and the point of moving to FBS was just to play against Georgia State, JMU, UNCC, Ga Southern, Coastal Carolina, Liberty, and ODU, then so be it. But that reminds me of the Southern Conference in 1995.

Frankly the other schools listed here^^^ should be saying the same thing I am. And probably why this conference won’t happen. And to avoid some bias here, exclude App and this is most definitely a step backwards for UAB and Marshall who used to share a conference with what are now ACC and BIG12 schools. UAB used to play against Louisville, TCU, Cincinnati, UCF etc. Now they are going to replace them with Liberty and ODU because it’s a shorter bus ride?

So I guess the larger question for all of these institutions listed was, did they move FBS to progress or move FBS to maintain status quo?

Realistically we are already in a conference of former i-AA/FCS teams outside of Louisiana. This regional conference isn't my ultimate goal either, but it is at the very least a lateral move that will remove a ton of expenses. It should also increase some revenues. Also, unless there are some major shifts above us we aren't going anywhere for a while.

It has advantages over the SBC with being regional such as building better rivalries that get fans involved. That would increase fan interest, ticket sales, and giving. All of these are areas we need to improve if we want to move up in the future. We're doing what we can on the field, but conferences want to see strong finances as much as anything.

That’s fair. Given the large number of our alumni are broke educators, I suspect donations will always be a challenge for our fine institution.

I still think UAB will land in the AAC when they go back to 12, and then when the BIG12 gobbles up Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati and UCF, the AAC will probably backfill with what’s left.

An AAC of say:

App State
UAB
Tulsa
Temple
Navy
ECU
Marshall
USF
SMU
Tulane
La Tech
(Your team here)

Would be my preferred outcome. But that’s probably a long shot. We will see what the BIG12 does.
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