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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 01:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If there is a C-USA civil war I’m nervous if I’m Troy, USA, CCU, ULM, UTA, or UALR.

App St, GA St, GA South, Ark St, ULL, and Texas St all have attributes that could get them picked up on one side or the other. The rest of the Sunbelt isn’t as fortunate if some of these school start to break ranks.

This thread suggests a sixth new “Group of” conference forms out of some combination of eastern programs from C-USA, Sunbelt and current FCS or independents. If a core of programs remains in C-USA and the Sunbelt, these conferences might just annex in new programs and retain the basketball autobid, and football revenue share. I think a G6 would run into considerable opposition.

I don’t think an “airport breakaway” happens. Financial pressures might take out some of the weaker G5 program (including MAC and maybe MWC) and make an eventual reorganization an orderly transition.
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 02:50 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:39 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the rumor is true, it’s some of the East schools—with ODU and Charlotte leading the charge.

If CAA schools are in the know on this than at a minimum, they’ve been talking to JMU.

I think its difficult to work JMU into this.

It sounds like they want to take about 8 schools from CUSA which leaves 2 spots to round out the conference. If I had to give two spots I'd give them to Georgia St for the Atlanta market and then App St for their football strength.

I'm just not seeing where JMU would be high up on the priority list here as an FCS school in a small market. ODU might not mind them in the conference but I doubt they are a top priority.

JMU is attractive because they have football strength. They are very arguably better now than Georgia Southern and App State were when those schools left FCS.

Markets are way, way overrated at the C-USA/Sun Belt/MAC level. App State has been the best program among those three conferences over the past five years, and they're not really in a market at all. But they have a stronger presence in the 100-miles-away Charlotte market than UNC Charlotte does... JMU has those same characteristics in Virginia.
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 01:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Not sure SBC schools want to do this, but could a WAC FBS in shape for the future?

But, if it is CAA schools? The publics schools were not happy when Hofstra and Northeastern dropped football. I could see JMU, Delaware and Stony Brook joining to the north.

North:
Marshall
Stony Brook
JMU
Delaware
ODU
UConn. football only
UMass. football only
Dayton
VCU

South:
Western Kentucky
Middle Tenn. State
Southern Miss.
UAB
FAU
FIU
Charlotte

That would be better way to go. You do get storied football and basketball and a strong Stony Brook in three sports.

That is the most stupid thing I have ever seen.
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 03:46 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 02:50 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:39 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the rumor is true, it’s some of the East schools—with ODU and Charlotte leading the charge.

If CAA schools are in the know on this than at a minimum, they’ve been talking to JMU.

I think its difficult to work JMU into this.

It sounds like they want to take about 8 schools from CUSA which leaves 2 spots to round out the conference. If I had to give two spots I'd give them to Georgia St for the Atlanta market and then App St for their football strength.

I'm just not seeing where JMU would be high up on the priority list here as an FCS school in a small market. ODU might not mind them in the conference but I doubt they are a top priority.

Georgia State is in Atlanta but they do not have the Atlanta market. Shopping for big city markets is what got CUSA in this mess to start with.

Get Appy State and Georgia Southern and call it a day.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
UAB
Southern Miss
La Tech
Appy State
Georgia Southern

if no Southern Miss and La Tech

Troy
Coastal Carolina

What you're proposing is 12 schools though which kind of defeats the purpose of a split.

8 or 10 makes a lot more sense financially to split the pie less ways.

8 makes no sense. There are sports other than football that need more than 8 schools as not all schools sponsor the same sports.

12 really does make sense to avoid potentially turning it into the G6.
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 04:31 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 02:50 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:39 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the rumor is true, it’s some of the East schools—with ODU and Charlotte leading the charge.

If CAA schools are in the know on this than at a minimum, they’ve been talking to JMU.

I think its difficult to work JMU into this.

It sounds like they want to take about 8 schools from CUSA which leaves 2 spots to round out the conference. If I had to give two spots I'd give them to Georgia St for the Atlanta market and then App St for their football strength.

I'm just not seeing where JMU would be high up on the priority list here as an FCS school in a small market. ODU might not mind them in the conference but I doubt they are a top priority.

JMU is attractive because they have football strength. They are very arguably better now than Georgia Southern and App State were when those schools left FCS.

Markets are way, way overrated at the C-USA/Sun Belt/MAC level. App State has been the best program among those three conferences over the past five years, and they're not really in a market at all. But they have a stronger presence in the 100-miles-away Charlotte market than UNC Charlotte does... JMU has those same characteristics in Virginia.

So now JMU is even better than App St?

I don't see them carrying it over to the G5 level. App St did but they had to prove themselves in the SBC first.

Why bring them to an 8 or 10 team split conference with limited spots? Are they really that great?
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 04:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:46 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 02:50 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:39 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the rumor is true, it’s some of the East schools—with ODU and Charlotte leading the charge.

If CAA schools are in the know on this than at a minimum, they’ve been talking to JMU.

I think its difficult to work JMU into this.

It sounds like they want to take about 8 schools from CUSA which leaves 2 spots to round out the conference. If I had to give two spots I'd give them to Georgia St for the Atlanta market and then App St for their football strength.

I'm just not seeing where JMU would be high up on the priority list here as an FCS school in a small market. ODU might not mind them in the conference but I doubt they are a top priority.

Georgia State is in Atlanta but they do not have the Atlanta market. Shopping for big city markets is what got CUSA in this mess to start with.

Get Appy State and Georgia Southern and call it a day.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
UAB
Southern Miss
La Tech
Appy State
Georgia Southern

if no Southern Miss and La Tech

Troy
Coastal Carolina

What you're proposing is 12 schools though which kind of defeats the purpose of a split.

8 or 10 makes a lot more sense financially to split the pie less ways.

8 makes no sense. There are sports other than football that need more than 8 schools as not all schools sponsor the same sports.

12 really does make sense to avoid potentially turning it into the G6.

If its going to be an MWC style split and the MWC had 8 than I'd expect to see 8 CUSA schools splitting off.

10 to make room for App St/Georgia St makes the most sense to me. Add a nice FB program and fill in geography with a Georgia school. Georgia Southern instead would be ok too.

I don't know if the G6 is avoidable or not but it would greatly help Liberty, NMSU and UMass find a FB conference.
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And in the middle of this talk is the news that the WAC is adding a new member. Probably just a coincidence in timing?
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 04:43 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 04:31 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 02:50 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:39 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the rumor is true, it’s some of the East schools—with ODU and Charlotte leading the charge.

If CAA schools are in the know on this than at a minimum, they’ve been talking to JMU.

I think its difficult to work JMU into this.

It sounds like they want to take about 8 schools from CUSA which leaves 2 spots to round out the conference. If I had to give two spots I'd give them to Georgia St for the Atlanta market and then App St for their football strength.

I'm just not seeing where JMU would be high up on the priority list here as an FCS school in a small market. ODU might not mind them in the conference but I doubt they are a top priority.

JMU is attractive because they have football strength. They are very arguably better now than Georgia Southern and App State were when those schools left FCS.

Markets are way, way overrated at the C-USA/Sun Belt/MAC level. App State has been the best program among those three conferences over the past five years, and they're not really in a market at all. But they have a stronger presence in the 100-miles-away Charlotte market than UNC Charlotte does... JMU has those same characteristics in Virginia.

So now JMU is even better than App St?

I don't see them carrying it over to the G5 level. App St did but they had to prove themselves in the SBC first.

Why bring them to an 8 or 10 team split conference with limited spots? Are they really that great?

JMU is much better now than App Stste was when App left FCS. JMU was in the FCS final last year. Appalachian, meanwhile, went 4-8 its final season in FCS, its only second losing season in 35 years. The first year in FBS, App started 1-5, with a loss to FCS Liberty. The season did end on a 6 game winning streak, and a lot of winning ever since, but my point remains.

JMU has a better stadium and attendance--against FCS competition--than many SB/MAC/C-USA schools do now. They're a good school academically. They have a bigger budget as an FCS program than quite a few G5 schools do, and it would only grow as a G5 school.

They have the looks of a ready-to-win-now program that looks a lot more like Boise, Marshall, Ga. Southern, or App State did entering FBS than many of these move-ups or startups who joined FBS without having any FCS-level track record of success. The former flourished pretty much right out of the gate, while most of the latter struggled for many years before gaining a footing, if they ever did at all.

And then, geographically, they just fit quite well with Marshall, ODU, App State, and Charlotte. Three of those four would be the ones leading the charge of a C-USA breakaway.

We'll never know how JMU would do in FBS for sure until they actually move up, but I would have a lot more faith in them than many of the programs already at the G5 level.
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 04:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:46 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 02:50 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:39 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the rumor is true, it’s some of the East schools—with ODU and Charlotte leading the charge.

If CAA schools are in the know on this than at a minimum, they’ve been talking to JMU.

I think its difficult to work JMU into this.

It sounds like they want to take about 8 schools from CUSA which leaves 2 spots to round out the conference. If I had to give two spots I'd give them to Georgia St for the Atlanta market and then App St for their football strength.

I'm just not seeing where JMU would be high up on the priority list here as an FCS school in a small market. ODU might not mind them in the conference but I doubt they are a top priority.

Georgia State is in Atlanta but they do not have the Atlanta market. Shopping for big city markets is what got CUSA in this mess to start with.

Get Appy State and Georgia Southern and call it a day.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
UAB
Southern Miss
La Tech
Appy State
Georgia Southern

if no Southern Miss and La Tech

Troy
Coastal Carolina

What you're proposing is 12 schools though which kind of defeats the purpose of a split.

8 or 10 makes a lot more sense financially to split the pie less ways.

8 makes no sense. There are sports other than football that need more than 8 schools as not all schools sponsor the same sports.

12 really does make sense to avoid potentially turning it into the G6.

That's a good point if you are talking about an all sports conference. But 10 seems like the right number for a G6 conference to me.

Let's assume as a starting point that it is CUSA teams that would be more motivated to move than Sunbelt, and that the Mississippi River makes a good dividing line. If the eastern wing just adds App State to get to that number (10), what happens next?

Do the other 14 schools just come together and reverse which of them has an awkwardly large number (especially with the two non-FB Sunbelt schools)? Or do four of them get hung out to dry, doomed to join NMSU and Liberty as unwilling independents? A lot of it depends, IMO, on which of those 14 schools are the alpha males here.

Even though there are only 5 CUSA teams in the game, and 9 Belt teams, I could see UTEP, Texas State, ULM and South Alabama getting left out, with LA Tech, Arkansas State, North Texas, Rice and UTSA forming a west division and Louisiana, Troy, Georgia Southern, Georgia State and Coastal Carolina an eastern division of a second new 10 team conference.

At that point there are 9 independents not named Notre Dame or BYU. They don't seem to have enough in common to form an all sports conference, but at the very least there are now enough in the same boat that finding November opponents is no longer a major problem.
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
ULM drops to FCS then SBC takes Marshall, S. Miss, and UAB. CUSA can pick up JMU so ODU stops whining.
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 07:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 04:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:46 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 02:50 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I think its difficult to work JMU into this.

It sounds like they want to take about 8 schools from CUSA which leaves 2 spots to round out the conference. If I had to give two spots I'd give them to Georgia St for the Atlanta market and then App St for their football strength.

I'm just not seeing where JMU would be high up on the priority list here as an FCS school in a small market. ODU might not mind them in the conference but I doubt they are a top priority.

Georgia State is in Atlanta but they do not have the Atlanta market. Shopping for big city markets is what got CUSA in this mess to start with.

Get Appy State and Georgia Southern and call it a day.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
UAB
Southern Miss
La Tech
Appy State
Georgia Southern

if no Southern Miss and La Tech

Troy
Coastal Carolina

What you're proposing is 12 schools though which kind of defeats the purpose of a split.

8 or 10 makes a lot more sense financially to split the pie less ways.

8 makes no sense. There are sports other than football that need more than 8 schools as not all schools sponsor the same sports.

12 really does make sense to avoid potentially turning it into the G6.

That's a good point if you are talking about an all sports conference. But 10 seems like the right number for a G6 conference to me.

Let's assume as a starting point that it is CUSA teams that would be more motivated to move than Sunbelt, and that the Mississippi River makes a good dividing line. If the eastern wing just adds App State to get to that number (10), what happens next?

Do the other 14 schools just come together and reverse which of them has an awkwardly large number (especially with the two non-FB Sunbelt schools)? Or do four of them get hung out to dry, doomed to join NMSU and Liberty as unwilling independents? A lot of it depends, IMO, on which of those 14 schools are the alpha males here.

Even though there are only 5 CUSA teams in the game, and 9 Belt teams, I could see UTEP, Texas State, ULM and South Alabama getting left out, with LA Tech, Arkansas State, North Texas, Rice and UTSA forming a west division and Louisiana, Troy, Georgia Southern, Georgia Southern and Georgia an eastern division of a second new 1o team conference.

At that point there are 9 independents not named Notre Dame or BYU. They don't seem to have enough in common to form an all sports conference, but at the very least there are now enough in the same boat that finding November opponents is no longer a major problem.

First of all, South Alabama isn’t getting left behind. Second of all, only one Georgia Southern exists. Thirdly, Georgia isn’t leaving the SEC.
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If Old Dominion is so unhappy, they can always leave. Nobody forced them to join a conference that extends from Huntington, West Virginia to El Paso, Texas. They knew it from the beginning and they can always ask the Sun Belt if they’re interested or go independent and go back to the CAA for basketball and Olympic sports. I’m sure UConn, UMass and Liberty wouldn’t mind having another independent to schedule.

I’m singling out Old Dominion because that’s where the whining has come in the last five years. I doubt it’s coming from the Florida twins, the other former Sun Belt schools or even Marshall. The East Division is the perfect place for Marshall and on top of that, they get an annual trip to South Florida. If Charlotte wants to join Old Dominion, fine. They’d do C-USA a favor. Addition by subtraction.
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(10-02-2020 01:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Not sure SBC schools want to do this, but could a WAC FBS in shape for the future?

North:
Marshall
Stony Brook
JMU
Delaware
ODU
UConn. football only
UMass. football only
Dayton
VCU

South:
Western Kentucky
Middle Tenn. State
Southern Miss.
UAB
FAU
FIU
Charlotte

Dayton?
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(10-02-2020 08:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  If Old Dominion is so unhappy, they can always leave. Nobody forced them to join a conference that extends from Huntington, West Virginia to El Paso, Texas. They knew it from the beginning and they can always ask the Sun Belt if they’re interested or go independent and go back to the CAA for basketball and Olympic sports. I’m sure UConn, UMass and Liberty wouldn’t mind having another independent to schedule.

I’m singling out Old Dominion because that’s where the whining has come in the last five years. I doubt it’s coming from the Florida twins, the other former Sun Belt schools or even Marshall. The East Division is the perfect place for Marshall and on top of that, they get an annual trip to South Florida. If Charlotte wants to join Old Dominion, fine. They’d do C-USA a favor. Addition by subtraction.

Sounds like they are trying to do just that
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 08:35 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 07:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 04:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:46 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  Georgia State is in Atlanta but they do not have the Atlanta market. Shopping for big city markets is what got CUSA in this mess to start with.

Get Appy State and Georgia Southern and call it a day.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
UAB
Southern Miss
La Tech
Appy State
Georgia Southern

if no Southern Miss and La Tech

Troy
Coastal Carolina

What you're proposing is 12 schools though which kind of defeats the purpose of a split.

8 or 10 makes a lot more sense financially to split the pie less ways.

8 makes no sense. There are sports other than football that need more than 8 schools as not all schools sponsor the same sports.

12 really does make sense to avoid potentially turning it into the G6.

That's a good point if you are talking about an all sports conference. But 10 seems like the right number for a G6 conference to me.

Let's assume as a starting point that it is CUSA teams that would be more motivated to move than Sunbelt, and that the Mississippi River makes a good dividing line. If the eastern wing just adds App State to get to that number (10), what happens next?

Do the other 14 schools just come together and reverse which of them has an awkwardly large number (especially with the two non-FB Sunbelt schools)? Or do four of them get hung out to dry, doomed to join NMSU and Liberty as unwilling independents? A lot of it depends, IMO, on which of those 14 schools are the alpha males here.

Even though there are only 5 CUSA teams in the game, and 9 Belt teams, I could see UTEP, Texas State, ULM and South Alabama getting left out, with LA Tech, Arkansas State, North Texas, Rice and UTSA forming a west division and Louisiana, Troy, Georgia Southern, Georgia Southern and Georgia an eastern division of a second new 1o team conference.

At that point there are 9 independents not named Notre Dame or BYU. They don't seem to have enough in common to form an all sports conference, but at the very least there are now enough in the same boat that finding November opponents is no longer a major problem.

First of all, South Alabama isn’t getting left behind. Second of all, only one Georgia Southern exists. Thirdly, Georgia isn’t leaving the SEC.

Thanks. Fixed it.
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(10-02-2020 09:30 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 08:58 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  If Old Dominion is so unhappy, they can always leave. Nobody forced them to join a conference that extends from Huntington, West Virginia to El Paso, Texas. They knew it from the beginning and they can always ask the Sun Belt if they’re interested or go independent and go back to the CAA for basketball and Olympic sports. I’m sure UConn, UMass and Liberty wouldn’t mind having another independent to schedule.

I’m singling out Old Dominion because that’s where the whining has come in the last five years. I doubt it’s coming from the Florida twins, the other former Sun Belt schools or even Marshall. The East Division is the perfect place for Marshall and on top of that, they get an annual trip to South Florida. If Charlotte wants to join Old Dominion, fine. They’d do C-USA a favor. Addition by subtraction.

Sounds like they are trying to do just that

Good riddance.

I’d completely understand if Southern Miss was the one complaining. The conference they helped establish in 1995 looks completely different in 2020. All their rivals are gone except for UAB which was part of C-USA 1.0. The C-USA Marshall, Rice and UTEP joined in 2005 lost seven schools to the American. I could understand if any of those five were complaining (although they’re part the of the problem) but the new schools? They knew exactly the conference they were joining in 2013.
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(10-02-2020 03:46 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 02:50 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:39 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the rumor is true, it’s some of the East schools—with ODU and Charlotte leading the charge.

If CAA schools are in the know on this than at a minimum, they’ve been talking to JMU.

I think its difficult to work JMU into this.

It sounds like they want to take about 8 schools from CUSA which leaves 2 spots to round out the conference. If I had to give two spots I'd give them to Georgia St for the Atlanta market and then App St for their football strength.

I'm just not seeing where JMU would be high up on the priority list here as an FCS school in a small market. ODU might not mind them in the conference but I doubt they are a top priority.

Georgia State is in Atlanta but they do not have the Atlanta market. Shopping for big city markets is what got CUSA in this mess to start with.

Get Appy State and Georgia Southern and call it a day.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
UAB
Southern Miss
La Tech
Appy State
Georgia Southern

if no Southern Miss and La Tech

Troy
Coastal Carolina

What you're proposing is 12 schools though which kind of defeats the purpose of a split.

8 or 10 makes a lot more sense financially to split the pie less ways.

No the purpose is an East based conference (NO TEXAS SCHOOLS).
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 10:18 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:46 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 03:10 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 02:50 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 09:39 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the rumor is true, it’s some of the East schools—with ODU and Charlotte leading the charge.

If CAA schools are in the know on this than at a minimum, they’ve been talking to JMU.

I think its difficult to work JMU into this.

It sounds like they want to take about 8 schools from CUSA which leaves 2 spots to round out the conference. If I had to give two spots I'd give them to Georgia St for the Atlanta market and then App St for their football strength.

I'm just not seeing where JMU would be high up on the priority list here as an FCS school in a small market. ODU might not mind them in the conference but I doubt they are a top priority.

Georgia State is in Atlanta but they do not have the Atlanta market. Shopping for big city markets is what got CUSA in this mess to start with.

Get Appy State and Georgia Southern and call it a day.

Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte
FAU
FIU
UAB
Southern Miss
La Tech
Appy State
Georgia Southern

if no Southern Miss and La Tech

Troy
Coastal Carolina

What you're proposing is 12 schools though which kind of defeats the purpose of a split.

8 or 10 makes a lot more sense financially to split the pie less ways.

No the purpose is an East based conference (NO TEXAS SCHOOLS).

With or without Texas schools, you’ll still go from a mediocre conference to another. Louisiana Tech would align with the Texas schools, Southern Miss probably will go where UAB goes.

It’d great if the Texas and Florida schools stay together. That‘d be a major FU to the other schools especially when it comes to recruiting. When it’s all said and done, nothing is going to happen. Unlike the WAC split, C-USA lacks a BYU and Utah to make the split happen and good luck in getting an auto bid for a long time. Marshall will go back to the MAC before they form a new conference.
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 09:46 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The C-USA Marshall, Rice and UTEP joined in 2005 lost seven schools to the American. I could understand if any of those five were complaining (although they’re part the of the problem) but the new schools? They knew exactly the conference they were joining in 2013.

Marshall's doing just fine at the moment.

Here's the conference revenues for the big names in C-USA and SunBelt for the last year available.
http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...s/2aa79e87

Go back to 2014 and we're lapping everyone in both leagues.
http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...s/3433920c

Heck, we've pulled in more total conference distributions in the last 6 years than ECU - and they are in the "money-printing" AAC. We're almost punching even with Houston as well.
http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org...s/ed817bd6


(10-02-2020 08:05 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  ULM drops to FCS then SBC takes Marshall, S. Miss, and UAB. CUSA can pick up JMU so ODU stops whining.

When the SunBelt can give us a $6 million annual distribution, then we'll talk...
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RE: C-USA Split Rumor
(10-02-2020 12:42 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 11:56 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(10-02-2020 11:14 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I'm sure lots of ideas are floated behind closed doors at CUSA schools, but there are rules about creating conferences. And there's exit fees to consider. Neither the east side nor the west side wants to be the ones to leave and pay up.

But if there’s a widespread belief that the system is broken and they are better off split than together they should mutually agree to drop the exit fees to make it happen.

But would there ever be a mutual split? If any school feels they are being slighted then the exit fees will be enforced.

Maybe The eastern schools could get a loan from Liberty to cover their exit fees. I also read that there is also A conference fee schools are suppose to receive annually from the conference, maybe the schools could use the money to pay for their exit fees.
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