(07-26-2021 09:50 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:45 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:36 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 08:51 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Some of the Eastern malcontents might end up in the AAC when this is all over.

Institutional fit is going to be a factor.

That said there really is no reason to save the AAC and rebuild it because the G5 agreement is finished with the 12 playoff.

No it’s not, lol. It really is hilarious what you read on these boards.

There still will be unequal revenue sharing for the P5 and G5 plus the P5 are still going to have more auto CFP slots whereas the G5 will maybe get 2.

Just look at the UT/OU announcement. They may not be moving to the SEC until 2024 or 2025.

The playoff may start as early as 2023. At that point there is no G5, just 10 FBS conferences.

So the idea of saving the AAC under the guise of its a "legal G5 conference" doesn't hold much weight moving forward.

What? What have you been listening to?

The G5 will still be lump together with much less
revenue sharing than the P5

So you think the 12 team playoff was to level the will the playing field between the 10 FBS conferences? If so I got some ocean front property to sell you.

(07-26-2021 10:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:47 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:41 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the AAC has to make replacements to get to 10 I have to think that UAB and ODU are in that conversation. Maybe Rice if the private schools are feeling sympathetic to the Owls.

I don't see Liberty and Coastal getting nods just because of one good season.

Rice probably has the best shot because of market/academics.

My feeling is we might see a XII-AAC merger over a AAC backfill.

How do figure that? Maybe in 2025 but no AAC is going turn down 30 million more a year unless there is only one or two teams left in Big 12

The Big 12 would still retain the conference name and AAC teams would backfill

The XII schools are looking to hit the exit for the B1G/PAC/ACC even SEC if the option is available.

AAC would prefer to pick up the scraps of the XII and become an autonomy conference.

The last preference of the AAC membership would be to rebuild a depleted AAC membership with CUSA schools. Like the XII schools would rather merge with the PAC, the AAC schools would rather merge with the XII.

(07-26-2021 10:21 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 10:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:47 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:41 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the AAC has to make replacements to get to 10 I have to think that UAB and ODU are in that conversation. Maybe Rice if the private schools are feeling sympathetic to the Owls.

I don't see Liberty and Coastal getting nods just because of one good season.

Rice probably has the best shot because of market/academics.

My feeling is we might see a XII-AAC merger over a AAC backfill.

How do figure that? Maybe in 2025 but no AAC is going turn down 30 million more a year unless there is only one or two teams left in Big 12

The Big 12 would still retain the conference name and AAC teams would backfill

The XII schools are looking to hit the exit for the B1G/PAC/ACC even SEC if the option is available.

AAC would prefer to pick up the scraps of the XII and become an autonomy conference.

The last preference of the AAC membership would be to rebuild a depleted AAC membership with CUSA schools. Like the XII schools would rather merge with the PAC, the AAC schools would rather merge with the XII.

Even if all that is left of XII is Iowa State, Kansas State, and TCU they will still hold all the cards compared to AAC.

That said, I don’t think anybody but PAC12 really wants to further poach the conference. There isn’t anybody left that’s worth it.

All XII has to do is add BYU football only and Cincinnati full member.

Avoid the play on Sundays issue, give WV a travel partner.

(07-26-2021 10:44 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 10:21 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 10:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:47 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:41 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the AAC has to make replacements to get to 10 I have to think that UAB and ODU are in that conversation. Maybe Rice if the private schools are feeling sympathetic to the Owls.

I don't see Liberty and Coastal getting nods just because of one good season.

Rice probably has the best shot because of market/academics.

My feeling is we might see a XII-AAC merger over a AAC backfill.

How do figure that? Maybe in 2025 but no AAC is going turn down 30 million more a year unless there is only one or two teams left in Big 12

The Big 12 would still retain the conference name and AAC teams would backfill

The XII schools are looking to hit the exit for the B1G/PAC/ACC even SEC if the option is available.

AAC would prefer to pick up the scraps of the XII and become an autonomy conference.

The last preference of the AAC membership would be to rebuild a depleted AAC membership with CUSA schools. Like the XII schools would rather merge with the PAC, the AAC schools would rather merge with the XII.

Even if all that is left of XII is Iowa State, Kansas State, and TCU they will still hold all the cards compared to AAC.

That said, I don’t think anybody but PAC12 really wants to further poach the conference. There isn’t anybody left that’s worth it.

All XII has to do is add BYU football only and Cincinnati full member.

Avoid the play on Sundays issue, give WV a travel partner.

Thought process is this:

XII schools are looking for exits so they can play in a 40-50 mil per school conference.

AAC schools are looking to a XII merger to play in a 14-20 mil per school conference.

When you are getting down to "AAC leftovers" and the difference in media money between them and CUSA is going to be like 1 million per school vs. 2 million per school it starts to come down more to travel and academics.

For that reason names like Rice and UMass are going to have a lot more play in the AAC backfill discussion than say Liberty and Coastal though they have at the moment better FB teams. Rice could join Tulsa/Tulane and UMass could work if the AAC is taking other A10 schools in an attempt to strengthen basketball.

CUSA schools might be better served if the AAC went out of business and they would have a chance of improving their TV deal with less competition than actually joining the AAC outright, which in a rebuild situation is not going to be a major upgrade (at least in FB).

(07-26-2021 11:11 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 10:44 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 10:21 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 10:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 09:47 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I don't see Liberty and Coastal getting nods just because of one good season.

Rice probably has the best shot because of market/academics.

My feeling is we might see a XII-AAC merger over a AAC backfill.

How do figure that? Maybe in 2025 but no AAC is going turn down 30 million more a year unless there is only one or two teams left in Big 12

The Big 12 would still retain the conference name and AAC teams would backfill

The XII schools are looking to hit the exit for the B1G/PAC/ACC even SEC if the option is available.

AAC would prefer to pick up the scraps of the XII and become an autonomy conference.

The last preference of the AAC membership would be to rebuild a depleted AAC membership with CUSA schools. Like the XII schools would rather merge with the PAC, the AAC schools would rather merge with the XII.

Even if all that is left of XII is Iowa State, Kansas State, and TCU they will still hold all the cards compared to AAC.

That said, I don’t think anybody but PAC12 really wants to further poach the conference. There isn’t anybody left that’s worth it.

All XII has to do is add BYU football only and Cincinnati full member.

Avoid the play on Sundays issue, give WV a travel partner.

Thought process is this:

XII schools are looking for exits so they can play in a 40-50 mil per school conference.

AAC schools are looking to a XII merger to play in a 14-20 mil per school conference.

When you are getting down to "AAC leftovers" and the difference in media money between them and CUSA is going to be like 1 million per school vs. 2 million per school it starts to come down more to travel and academics.

For that reason names like Rice and UMass are going to have a lot more play in the AAC backfill discussion than say Liberty and Coastal though they have at the moment better FB teams. Rice could join Tulsa/Tulane and UMass could work if the AAC is taking other A10 schools in an attempt to strengthen basketball.

CUSA schools might be better served if the AAC went out of business and they would have a chance of improving their TV deal with less competition than actually joining the AAC outright, which in a rebuild situation is not going to be a major upgrade (at least in FB).

I go the other way on this. To me—-if the AAC gets seriously gutted—then at that point I think it really would be time for the leftover members to decide if half continent travel is even worth the marginally better payout they might could generate by cherry picking. It’s possible that could be the magical opportunity everyone always talks about where a regional conference reshuffle could happen using the “shells” of the AAC, CUSA, and the SB to create a NE, SE, and SW conferences for those G5’s.

(07-26-2021 11:38 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 11:11 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 10:44 AM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 10:21 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-26-2021 10:00 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  How do figure that? Maybe in 2025 but no AAC is going turn down 30 million more a year unless there is only one or two teams left in Big 12

The Big 12 would still retain the conference name and AAC teams would backfill

The XII schools are looking to hit the exit for the B1G/PAC/ACC even SEC if the option is available.

AAC would prefer to pick up the scraps of the XII and become an autonomy conference.

The last preference of the AAC membership would be to rebuild a depleted AAC membership with CUSA schools. Like the XII schools would rather merge with the PAC, the AAC schools would rather merge with the XII.

Even if all that is left of XII is Iowa State, Kansas State, and TCU they will still hold all the cards compared to AAC.

That said, I don’t think anybody but PAC12 really wants to further poach the conference. There isn’t anybody left that’s worth it.

All XII has to do is add BYU football only and Cincinnati full member.

Avoid the play on Sundays issue, give WV a travel partner.

Thought process is this:

XII schools are looking for exits so they can play in a 40-50 mil per school conference.

AAC schools are looking to a XII merger to play in a 14-20 mil per school conference.

When you are getting down to "AAC leftovers" and the difference in media money between them and CUSA is going to be like 1 million per school vs. 2 million per school it starts to come down more to travel and academics.

For that reason names like Rice and UMass are going to have a lot more play in the AAC backfill discussion than say Liberty and Coastal though they have at the moment better FB teams. Rice could join Tulsa/Tulane and UMass could work if the AAC is taking other A10 schools in an attempt to strengthen basketball.

CUSA schools might be better served if the AAC went out of business and they would have a chance of improving their TV deal with less competition than actually joining the AAC outright, which in a rebuild situation is not going to be a major upgrade (at least in FB).

I go the other way on this. To me—-if the AAC gets seriously gutted—then at that point I think it really would be time for the leftover members to decide if half continent travel is even worth the marginally better payout they might could generate by cherry picking. It’s possible that could be the magical opportunity everyone always talks about where a regional conference reshuffle could happen using the “shells” of the AAC, CUSA, and the SB to create a NE, SE, and SW conferences for those G5’s.

If that happens its going to be schools like Umass, Temple and Buffalo in that northeast shell. They'll go for academics first.

Its not going to be Liberty and Coastal.

Seeing army56mike's posts at the top of the page reminded to pray for him this morning. So thanks for the bump.

Let the record show that Liberty brings juice in mens hoops and not just football to any potential candidacy.

(11-21-2020 11:22 PM)army56mike Wrote:  Atlantic Mountain Conference
(NORTH)
1. (7-0) Marshall #16-#17-#20
2. (8-1) Liberty #25-#27-#27
3. (6-2) App St. #38
4. (2-3) Charlotte
5. (4-6) WKU
6. (3-6) MTSU
7. (0-0) ODU

(SOUTH)
1. (8-0) CCU #11-#16-#17
2. (5-1) FAU #32
3. (6-3) Ga. Southern
4. (4-3) UAB
5. (4-4)Troy
6. (4-4) Ga. State
7. (0-5) FIU

no to 14 schools... NOPE!

(07-26-2021 12:06 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Seeing army56mike's posts at the top of the page reminded to pray for him this morning. So thanks for the bump.

Let the record show that Liberty brings juice in mens hoops and not just football to any potential candidacy.

Yup. Good to see that post...and prayers.

How old is Mike? Is '56 his birth year?

Ready his wife's post is so wrenching. I hope everyone on this board has been vaccinated. It's just not worth it not to be for whatever statement you're trying to make. Wrong hill to die on (literally). I wish everyone health and long life. God speed Mike.

(07-26-2021 04:10 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  How old is Mike? Is '56 his birth year?

Ready his wife's post is so wrenching. I hope everyone on this board has been vaccinated. It's just not worth it not to be for whatever statement you're trying to make. Wrong hill to die on (literally). I wish everyone health and long life. God speed Mike.

+1. Before someone inevitably starts climbing that hill on this thread, I’ll ask a question…

…have there been any rumors yet about how much money the SBC is receiving from this new media deal? In terms of realignment, that will definitely impact what schools go where if the UT/OU fallout makes it this far.

The original 8 year contract is detailed here, signed in 2018. Supposedly a bump up from the $100,000 schools were getting before

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...110970952/

This appears to be a mid contract term early extension. More linear games (50%) so probably a bit of a bump.

https://sunbeltsports.org/news/2021/7/22...rship.aspx

Numbers are not discussed anywhere. But an extension of an extension suggest these have been incremental increases over the $100K they were getting before 2019-20 season. I guess it runs the rest of the decade now.

The only numbers I saw were guesstimates, but I'll quote the article (Arkansas State fan site):

Quote:Verdict: The Sun Belt payment is rumored to be in the range of $475,000 to $500,000 per year and production standards to produce the 51 games will be at ESPN standards. CUSA's payment is rumored to be in the $400,000 to $500,000 range and will not include the cost of producing 60 games for CUSA TV with mixed production values. Financially looks like a wash.

The thing to keep in mind is the SBC schools are on the hook for some of the production cost. But even so neither conference has a difference maker. And both are single bid.

There is very little to lose should a break away group from either form. But the question, is there anything to gain, is valid.

https://twitter.com/_agent49/status/1421...79844?s=21

I guess this has legs again. With each side of the split getting NCAA bids. That has probably been the hold up.

It lines up with what Marshall's President said about conferences regionalizing.

(08-01-2021 03:07 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/_agent49/status/1421...79844?s=21

I guess this has legs again. With each side of the split getting NCAA bids. That has probably been the hold up.

It lines up with what Marshall's President said about conferences regionalizing.

Can a summary be posted? It’s a pay site.

(08-01-2021 04:12 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-01-2021 03:07 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/_agent49/status/1421...79844?s=21

I guess this has legs again. With each side of the split getting NCAA bids. That has probably been the hold up.

It lines up with what Marshall's President said about conferences regionalizing.

Can a summary be posted? It’s a pay site.

I don't have access to it either. I'm basing it off Agent 49's reply to the article.

Who will be the guiding hand in all of this talk?

For example, the CAA....who is going to force Hoftra and Northeastern into a northeast based conference?

If the AAC needs to backfill and they take 2 or more CUSA teams then the problem of the bloated 14 team model is somewhat fixed. What may not be fixed depending on who moves to the American is geography which is killing CUSA schools in travel costs.

IF the AAC gets raided, then they should just rebrand into a conference that prioritizes academics or something.

Let's assume all of the "key targets" are swiped by the Big XII: UH, UC, Memphis, UCF, USF, and maybe SMU. ECU would play as a major Indy as they have the fan base to pull it off.

Army/Navy/Tulsa/Tulane/Buffalo/Temple/Rice is a core of seven. The AAC holds four of those already. Army would jump to that configuration as it's not super hard. IF SMU is somehow still on the board that's eight and you're alive.

C-USA overexpanded to 14 - they'd be in a happier place with just 12. IF UAB were to go to the AAC as well, then you'd have 12 in CUSA and could hold firm.

(08-01-2021 03:07 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/_agent49/status/1421...79844?s=21

I guess this has legs again. With each side of the split getting NCAA bids. That has probably been the hold up.

It lines up with what Marshall's President said about conferences regionalizing.

There must be a lot more to it than that reply-tweet claims.

CUSA has 14 members. Every FBS conference must have at least eight full members who play football in the conference. Can't divide CUSA into two FBS conferences unless more FBS schools are added as full members. And, it's unlikely that anyone would want to start a new conference with the bare minimum number of eight.

There are almost no available FBS schools that could be added as full members. Can't count Army, Navy, UMass, or UConn even if they wanted to play football with one of those conferences. That means your choices are limited to New Mexico State and Liberty. That would leave each proposed conference at the bare minimum.

The only other possibility is something not mentioned, like including schools that would be not included in a hypothetical move of a few AAC teams to the Big 12, or including Sun Belt members left out of a hypothetical AAC backfill. Or, combining members of all three into three new alignments, and because that would create no new NCAA autobids, there is no obstacle to doing it if that's what schools decide to do.

(08-01-2021 06:41 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  IF the AAC gets raided, then they should just rebrand into a conference that prioritizes academics or something.

Let's assume all of the "key targets" are swiped by the Big XII: UH, UC, Memphis, UCF, USF, and maybe SMU. ECU would play as a major Indy as they have the fan base to pull it off.

Army/Navy/Tulsa/Tulane/Buffalo/Temple/Rice is a core of seven. The AAC holds four of those already. Army would jump to that configuration as it's not super hard. IF SMU is somehow still on the board that's eight and you're alive.

C-USA overexpanded to 14 - they'd be in a happier place with just 12. IF UAB were to go to the AAC as well, then you'd have 12 in CUSA and could hold firm.

Independence would be a death sentence for ECU.

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