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Tarleton president says we're expanding
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1:03 President Hurley says WAC is expanding and announcing someone next week or so

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825.html
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(09-30-2020 09:07 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Credit to IWokeUPLikeThis

1:03 President Hurley says WAC is expanding and announcing someone next week or so

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825.html

I bet it is West Texas A&M.
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Truth be told, credit goes to TexanFan...

https://csnbbs.com/thread-863902.html

There are zero indicators out on the interwebs, so they've done a really nice job keeping this "somewhat confidential".

Longshot: MSU-Texas just announced a MOA to join the TTU System, plans a new on-campus football stadium, and scheduled Tarleton for Homecoming this Spring to "keep the rivalry alive"
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(10-01-2020 07:00 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Truth be told, credit goes to TexanFan...

https://csnbbs.com/thread-863902.html

There are zero indicators out on the interwebs, so they've done a really nice job keeping this "somewhat confidential".

Longshot: MSU-Texas just announced a MOA to join the TTU System, plans a new on-campus football stadium, and scheduled Tarleton for Homecoming this Spring to "keep the rivalry alive"

MSU-Texas joining the Texas Tech University System all hinges on if legislation is even introduced, then passing the Lege during the next session. The MOU is a formality and got the ball rolling to allow MSU admin to begin the process after receiving a formal invite from the TTU System. I could see it happening since MSU-Texas is one of just two stand-alone 4-year universities in Texas that do not belong to a University System and it being the only public university in the state having membership of the Council of Public Liberal Arts Colleges (COPLAC).
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(10-01-2020 11:11 AM)TarletonStateTexan Wrote:  
(10-01-2020 07:00 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Truth be told, credit goes to TexanFan...

https://csnbbs.com/thread-863902.html

There are zero indicators out on the interwebs, so they've done a really nice job keeping this "somewhat confidential".

Longshot: MSU-Texas just announced a MOA to join the TTU System, plans a new on-campus football stadium, and scheduled Tarleton for Homecoming this Spring to "keep the rivalry alive"

MSU-Texas joining the Texas Tech University System all hinges on if legislation is even introduced, then passing the Lege during the next session. The MOU is a formality and got the ball rolling to allow MSU admin to begin the process after receiving a formal invite from the TTU System. I could see it happening since MSU-Texas is one of just two stand-alone 4-year universities in Texas that do not belong to a University System and it being the only public university in the state having membership of the Council of Public Liberal Arts Colleges (COPLAC).

Let's get real: MSU would be stupid not to do it, State approval is the real "formailty". This is a done deal.
Question is now, which System does SFA join?
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What was the point of A&M building stadiums at WT and Tarleton? Not Kingsville, not East Texas State. Could Midwestern jump this quickly? Could Angelo? If it’s not WT, maybe it’s not a Texas school. Usually, there’s some smoke. Hope it’s not a disappointing add.
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(10-01-2020 02:22 PM)Oscar P Wrote:  What was the point of A&M building stadiums at WT and Tarleton? Not Kingsville, not East Texas State. Could Midwestern jump this quickly? Could Angelo? If it’s not WT, maybe it’s not a Texas school. Usually, there’s some smoke. Hope it’s not a disappointing add.

I keep hearing Southern Utah but they haven't gotten an invite or Northern Colorado. Wouldn't be surprised if it's West Texas A&M but I've heard it's definitely a BSC school.
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(10-04-2020 03:27 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(10-01-2020 02:22 PM)Oscar P Wrote:  What was the point of A&M building stadiums at WT and Tarleton? Not Kingsville, not East Texas State. Could Midwestern jump this quickly? Could Angelo? If it’s not WT, maybe it’s not a Texas school. Usually, there’s some smoke. Hope it’s not a disappointing add.

I keep hearing Southern Utah but they haven't gotten an invite or Northern Colorado. Wouldn't be surprised if it's West Texas A&M but I've heard it's definitely a BSC school.

If it is conclusively a Big Sky school, it is possible it could be Idaho. Idaho dropped down to the FCS level and joined the Big Sky shortly after the WAC dropped football. But considering NMSU's success piecing together independent schedules and the increase in independent schools available to schedule now, maybe Idaho now believes it can take another crack at being an FBS school; much like NMSU. Beside, Idaho hasn't been all that prosperous in the Big Sky. I think they would prefer competing against Boise State rather than Idaho State. The move would generate more money in football for body-bag games and improve recruiting.
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(10-04-2020 05:28 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(10-04-2020 03:27 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(10-01-2020 02:22 PM)Oscar P Wrote:  What was the point of A&M building stadiums at WT and Tarleton? Not Kingsville, not East Texas State. Could Midwestern jump this quickly? Could Angelo? If it’s not WT, maybe it’s not a Texas school. Usually, there’s some smoke. Hope it’s not a disappointing add.

I keep hearing Southern Utah but they haven't gotten an invite or Northern Colorado. Wouldn't be surprised if it's West Texas A&M but I've heard it's definitely a BSC school.

If it is conclusively a Big Sky school, it is possible it could be Idaho. Idaho dropped down to the FCS level and joined the Big Sky shortly after the WAC dropped football. But considering NMSU's success piecing together independent schedules and the increase in independent schools available to schedule now, maybe Idaho now believes it can take another crack at being an FBS school; much like NMSU. Beside, Idaho hasn't been all that prosperous in the Big Sky. I think they would prefer competing against Boise State rather than Idaho State. The move would generate more money in football for body-bag games and improve recruiting.

Well there's a school I wasn't thinking about. Only time will tell, though I am leaning towards Southern Utah now.
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None of the Big Sky Schools will not budge. WAC does not have an auto-bid to the FCS playoffs. It will be the West Texas A&M since their AD is very vocal how unhappy they are with the D2 leadership. It could be why they raised money to upgrade their facilities. They could get New Mexico State and UTEP to visit to play to renew their football rivalry. They could use the off-campus stadium for those games since it is FBS size.
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(10-04-2020 08:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  None of the Big Sky Schools will not budge. WAC does not have an auto-bid to the FCS playoffs. It will be the West Texas A&M since their AD is very vocal how unhappy they are with the D2 leadership. It could be why they raised money to upgrade their facilities. They could get New Mexico State and UTEP to visit to play to renew their football rivalry. They could use the off-campus stadium for those games since it is FBS size.

If they do go D1 it won't be this quickly. Every thing I can find points to it being an existing D1.
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(10-04-2020 08:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  None of the Big Sky Schools will not budge. WAC does not have an auto-bid to the FCS playoffs. It will be the West Texas A&M since their AD is very vocal how unhappy they are with the D2 leadership. It could be why they raised money to upgrade their facilities. They could get New Mexico State and UTEP to visit to play to renew their football rivalry. They could use the off-campus stadium for those games since it is FBS size.

"If" rumors are correct that it's a BSC school, Idaho would make sense. Idaho would simply return its' football program back up to the FBS level and play as an independent; just like NMSU. They wouldn't care about losing a FCS auto-bid since they would be playing for holiday bowl invites. All that being said, the logical "safe" conclusion is it will be West Texas A&M who joins the WAC; much in the same foot steps of Tarleton State.
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(10-04-2020 11:21 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(10-04-2020 08:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  None of the Big Sky Schools will not budge. WAC does not have an auto-bid to the FCS playoffs. It will be the West Texas A&M since their AD is very vocal how unhappy they are with the D2 leadership. It could be why they raised money to upgrade their facilities. They could get New Mexico State and UTEP to visit to play to renew their football rivalry. They could use the off-campus stadium for those games since it is FBS size.

"If" rumors are correct that it's a BSC school, Idaho would make sense. Idaho would simply return its' football program back up to the FBS level and play as an independent; just like NMSU. They wouldn't care about losing a FCS auto-bid since they would be playing for holiday bowl invites. All that being said, the logical "safe" conclusion is it will be West Texas A&M who joins the WAC; much in the same foot steps of Tarleton State.


Idaho needs a conference invite to rejoin FBS. They do not have the money like Liberty does. WAC is not in position to invite them to join FBS yet.
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(10-04-2020 12:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-04-2020 11:21 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(10-04-2020 08:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  None of the Big Sky Schools will not budge. WAC does not have an auto-bid to the FCS playoffs. It will be the West Texas A&M since their AD is very vocal how unhappy they are with the D2 leadership. It could be why they raised money to upgrade their facilities. They could get New Mexico State and UTEP to visit to play to renew their football rivalry. They could use the off-campus stadium for those games since it is FBS size.

"If" rumors are correct that it's a BSC school, Idaho would make sense. Idaho would simply return its' football program back up to the FBS level and play as an independent; just like NMSU. They wouldn't care about losing a FCS auto-bid since they would be playing for holiday bowl invites. All that being said, the logical "safe" conclusion is it will be West Texas A&M who joins the WAC; much in the same foot steps of Tarleton State.


Idaho needs a conference invite to rejoin FBS. They do not have the money like Liberty does. WAC is not in position to invite them to join FBS yet.

I believe joining the WAC still give Idaho a way back to FBS football. The WAC was a functioning FBS football conference when a lot of the guidelines were put in place. So, the WAC membership could grandfathered in Idaho despite the conference not currently playing FBS football. Before Idaho dropped down to the Big Sky, Idaho had an athletic budget comparable to NMSU's. I think NMSU has given Idaho the blueprint for survival as a FBS independent. There are normally seven football independents operating in the FBS... Notre Dame... UConn... BYU... Army... Liberty... UMass... NMSU. This season Notre Dame joined the ACC in football due to Covid; in order to have a 2020 football schedule. Currently, Idaho Athletic deficit is taking on water at a much higher rate participating in the Big Sky than when they were playing football at the FBS level. By moving back up to the FBS level, Idaho can increase revenue by playing 3-4 body bag games a year at double the price they would receive as an FCS school. Before their drop to FCS and the Big Sky, FBS football payouts accounted for 20% of Idaho's revenue. They might need to move back up to the FBS just to survive. Of course, this is just conjecture. The odds are on West Texas A&M for WAC expansion.
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(10-04-2020 02:22 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(10-04-2020 12:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-04-2020 11:21 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(10-04-2020 08:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  None of the Big Sky Schools will not budge. WAC does not have an auto-bid to the FCS playoffs. It will be the West Texas A&M since their AD is very vocal how unhappy they are with the D2 leadership. It could be why they raised money to upgrade their facilities. They could get New Mexico State and UTEP to visit to play to renew their football rivalry. They could use the off-campus stadium for those games since it is FBS size.

"If" rumors are correct that it's a BSC school, Idaho would make sense. Idaho would simply return its' football program back up to the FBS level and play as an independent; just like NMSU. They wouldn't care about losing a FCS auto-bid since they would be playing for holiday bowl invites. All that being said, the logical "safe" conclusion is it will be West Texas A&M who joins the WAC; much in the same foot steps of Tarleton State.


Idaho needs a conference invite to rejoin FBS. They do not have the money like Liberty does. WAC is not in position to invite them to join FBS yet.

I believe joining the WAC still give Idaho a way back to FBS football. The WAC was a functioning FBS football conference when a lot of the guidelines were put in place. So, the WAC membership could grandfathered in Idaho despite the conference not currently playing FBS football. Before Idaho dropped down to the Big Sky, Idaho had an athletic budget comparable to NMSU's. I think NMSU has given Idaho the blueprint for survival as a FBS independent. There are normally seven football independents operating in the FBS... Notre Dame... UConn... BYU... Army... Liberty... UMass... NMSU. This season Notre Dame joined the ACC in football due to Covid; in order to have a 2020 football schedule. Currently, Idaho Athletic deficit is taking on water at a much higher rate participating in the Big Sky than when they were playing football at the FBS level. By moving back up to the FBS level, Idaho can increase revenue by playing 3-4 body bag games a year at double the price they would receive as an FCS school. Before their drop to FCS and the Big Sky, FBS football payouts accounted for 20% of Idaho's revenue. They might need to move back up to the FBS just to survive. Of course, this is just conjecture. The odds are on West Texas A&M for WAC expansion.

I was thinking about Idaho and wondering why no one was discussing them. If it is an existing BSC school, I agree that it is probably Idaho. It makes a lot of sense. They should have never gone FCS in the first place.
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I was recently at a Tarleton event where the President and others discussed their vision.

Tarleton is on the move. They (and the Texas A&M System) expect Tarleton to have 25,000 students within the next decade. In a system with many schools, we are making a case to be the #2 campus behind College Station.

Both groups are committing resources to enhancing our brand to be ready for this. GymRat has touched on facility expansions.

As ItinerantTexan has stated, they believe the WAC is the right for us to be. The leagues footprint gets our name out there and allows us to br visble in New markets.
Division 1 means playing the marquee brands in Texas and we will play at Gonzaga later this year.

I understand that these types of events are designed to beat chests and foster donations, but the key piece I took from this is that we are going to grow.
Previously we focused on our small size, family atmosphere and our status as "best kept secret in Texas."

They don't want that now. They want our name everywhere, they want to expand and want that 25k enrollment.

D1 is going to expedite growth. Although football was not discussed, I walked away with the impression we will do what we need to grow. If that means FBS, there's where we will go.

At 25,000, we would be the size of UTEP or UTRGV. UTSA was that size when they added football and went FBS
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(10-07-2020 10:26 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  I was recently at a Tarleton event where the President and others discussed their vision.

Tarleton is on the move. They (and the Texas A&M System) expect Tarleton to have 25,000 students within the next decade. In a system with many schools, we are making a case to be the #2 campus behind College Station.

Both groups are committing resources to enhancing our brand to be ready for this. GymRat has touched on facility expansions.

As ItinerantTexan has stated, they believe the WAC is the right for us to be. The leagues footprint gets our name out there and allows us to br visble in New markets.
Division 1 means playing the marquee brands in Texas and we will play at Gonzaga later this year.

I understand that these types of events are designed to beat chests and foster donations, but the key piece I took from this is that we are going to grow.
Previously we focused on our small size, family atmosphere and our status as "best kept secret in Texas."

They don't want that now. They want our name everywhere, they want to expand and want that 25k enrollment.

D1 is going to expedite growth. Although football was not discussed, I walked away with the impression we will do what we need to grow. If that means FBS, there's where we will go.

At 25,000, we would be the size of UTEP or UTRGV. UTSA was that size when they added football and went FBS

By most every meaningful measure, we already are. Fort Worth campus will be the real game changer. And, they're now talking about starting a standalone medical school (college) and teaching hospital to serve the Cross Timbers area, which is much needed and right within Tarleton's wheelhouse. The pre-med pipeline into A&M med school will soon be able to finish at Tarleton, which is a win-win for both universities. The goal of 25k enrollment by 2030 is agressive, but certainly attainable with the moves we're making. I see now why we've been in some FBS conversations. D2 to FCS to FBS within a 10-year span is very doable for a school on the move like Tarleton.
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