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RE: WAC Expansion/FCS - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
(05-10-2021 08:10 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  
(05-09-2021 11:38 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(05-09-2021 07:25 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  
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(05-08-2021 07:04 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  This could be nothing at all, you are correct. At this point, I am pretty much in a wait and see attitude. In other words I’ll believe it when I see it. At this point, I have no idea how it would affect the WAC. I feel like we are getting a motivated group of schools together that can probably rise together. Not sure I, as a fan, would want to leave that behind for a collection of schools and administrations that look down their noses at others all the time.

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You'd rather be in the WAC than the MWC? I think if this were to happen the MWC would invite yall despite UNM


As a fan, I would rather be with a group of schools that were working together. We’ve been with those in the MWC and have seen first hand that they really aren’t about working together so much as they are about stepping all over each other to chase “the dream”. I’m not against schools bettering their lot in life, I’m really not. I just hate seeing people stomp all over others on the way.

Understand that I am speaking for myself. If those schools were to really want to work together, it could be a great conference. I’m just not convinced that is the case. Of course, that is looking from the outside for the past decade too, so take that for what it’s worth.

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But havent most of these upcoming WAC schools done just that to their old conference? i dont think you can preach virtue about not wanting to be with MWC schools because of past moves theyve made when the newcomer WAC schools are currently doing the same thing. I dont really see a difference and there's nothing wrong with that. When it all comes down to it each school is only their for themselves. Gotta do what you gotta do.

The Mountain West is a great conference btw. I dont really see themselves stepping over each other at this point. Maybe you could make a case for Boise but who could blame them? Why wouldnt they chase whatever bag they can get?

Who's preaching? I'm just stating an opinion, which you are welcome to disagree with, that's fine. We have a history with UNR as well that isn't all that amicable. USU has always looked down their nose at NMSU as well. Then there is UNM. People have moved on since then, so things may have changed, I don't know.

I also understand and don't blame people for improving their lot in life. I do see your point in the new members, however I also don't see anyone coming in and trying to swing a big "stick". I see more about working together to raise the profile of the conference, or if they do leave, that they leave it better than they found it. The last few teams that left the WAC left it worse than they found it. That, I guess, is my issue.

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So you wouldn't want to be in a conference with those schools because they look down on you? I mean, I get that it is unlikely that y'all get the opportunity to join them but it doesn't make sense to me why you wouldn't want to join them. One: because I would want my school to correct that perception in their minds on the field, and two: If they're looking down at you then you're school is climbing upward and raising its profile to meet them. Sounds like some great potential rivalries, but to each their own.

From what I can tell from the outside one school is definitely attempting to swing a stick. More power to them lol. I also think it's really difficult to leave a conference "better than they found it". Since by leaving, a school weakens the conference and the schools that leave are typically the strongest ones moving upward. Schools make the conference, not the other way around. For instance, right now the Sun Belt is hot, trending upward, whatever you wanna call it. People wouldn't be so bullish about the SBC if App, Louisiana, and Coastal all left.
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RE: WAC Expansion/FCS - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
So you wouldn't want to be in a conference with those schools because they look down on you? I mean, I get that it is unlikely that y'all get the opportunity to join them but it doesn't make sense to me why you wouldn't want to join them. One: because I would want my school to correct that perception in their minds on the field, and two: If they're looking down at you then you're school is climbing upward and raising its profile to meet them. Sounds like some great potential rivalries, but to each their own.

From what I can tell from the outside one school is definitely attempting to swing a stick. More power to them lol. I also think it's really difficult to leave a conference "better than they found it". Since by leaving, a school weakens the conference and the schools that leave are typically the strongest ones moving upward. Schools make the conference, not the other way around. For instance, right now the Sun Belt is hot, trending upward, whatever you wanna call it. People wouldn't be so bullish about the SBC if App, Louisiana, and Coastal all left.
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So how is the Sun Belt hot? In terms of conferences, they were consistently rated between 14-16 in men's basketball, and now they sit at 21st (based on KenPom ratings). Seems like a downward trend to me. Perhaps it is a temporary decline, but I would not say they are trending upward.
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RE: WAC Expansion/FCS - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
(05-10-2021 10:01 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  So you wouldn't want to be in a conference with those schools because they look down on you? I mean, I get that it is unlikely that y'all get the opportunity to join them but it doesn't make sense to me why you wouldn't want to join them. One: because I would want my school to correct that perception in their minds on the field, and two: If they're looking down at you then you're school is climbing upward and raising its profile to meet them. Sounds like some great potential rivalries, but to each their own.

From what I can tell from the outside one school is definitely attempting to swing a stick. More power to them lol. I also think it's really difficult to leave a conference "better than they found it". Since by leaving, a school weakens the conference and the schools that leave are typically the strongest ones moving upward. Schools make the conference, not the other way around. For instance, right now the Sun Belt is hot, trending upward, whatever you wanna call it. People wouldn't be so bullish about the SBC if App, Louisiana, and Coastal all left.
So how is the Sun Belt hot? In terms of conferences, they were consistently rated between 14-16 in men's basketball, and now they sit at 21st (based on KenPom ratings). Seems like a downward trend to me. Perhaps it is a temporary decline, but I would not say they are trending upward.
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Depends which sport you're focused on. Based on the media talk, I would agree that the Sunbelt is moving up in stature as related to other non-power 5 conferences in football, in basketball they may be going the opposite direction. I don't know how you rate overall athletics between conferences as different ones have different sports they sponsor.
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I certainly am not making myself clear here. It's OK. I just appreciate being/working with others that appreciate what you do bring to the table and we can all benefit from. Maybe I'm just old school and could be why I am destined to never rise up the corporate ladder.

I have 0 doubt that the second a MWC ever came (if ever), NMSU's administration would jump all over it in a heartbeat. We can compete with them most of the time. Where we lack is funding to help get to "the promised land" that BSU is striving for. If that's your gig, go get it. As a fan, I have just been beaten down enough that I would like to get with a group of schools with the same mindset. That doesn't mean it isn't a growth mindset, it is just an understanding that competition for resources with the P5 was over quite some time ago for the majority of the institutions out there. This conference can grow, and we can all benefit (even financially) by growing intrinsically. I like that, and would hate to throw that away just to go say we are in the MWC.

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RE: WAC Expansion/FCS - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
(05-10-2021 11:05 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  I certainly am not making myself clear here. It's OK. I just appreciate being/working with others that appreciate what you do bring to the table and we can all benefit from. Maybe I'm just old school and could be why I am destined to never rise up the corporate ladder.

I have 0 doubt that the second a MWC ever came (if ever), NMSU's administration would jump all over it in a heartbeat. We can compete with them most of the time. Where we lack is funding to help get to "the promised land" that BSU is striving for. If that's your gig, go get it. As a fan, I have just been beaten down enough that I would like to get with a group of schools with the same mindset. That doesn't mean it isn't a growth mindset, it is just an understanding that competition for resources with the P5 was over quite some time ago for the majority of the institutions out there. This conference can grow, and we can all benefit (even financially) by growing intrinsically. I like that, and would hate to throw that away just to go say we are in the MWC.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I get this, in Junior High, everyone was trying to be in the cool group and avoid the uncool group. By the time we graduated, everyone had found a group that they fit into and were happy to be there.

Each group can grow, but they are committed to each other. That is the group that I want to be a part of. Institutional peer schools, committed to each other.
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RE: WAC Expansion/FCS - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
(05-10-2021 11:05 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  I certainly am not making myself clear here. It's OK. I just appreciate being/working with others that appreciate what you do bring to the table and we can all benefit from. Maybe I'm just old school and could be why I am destined to never rise up the corporate ladder.

I have 0 doubt that the second a MWC ever came (if ever), NMSU's administration would jump all over it in a heartbeat. We can compete with them most of the time. Where we lack is funding to help get to "the promised land" that BSU is striving for. If that's your gig, go get it. As a fan, I have just been beaten down enough that I would like to get with a group of schools with the same mindset. That doesn't mean it isn't a growth mindset, it is just an understanding that competition for resources with the P5 was over quite some time ago for the majority of the institutions out there. This conference can grow, and we can all benefit (even financially) by growing intrinsically. I like that, and would hate to throw that away just to go say we are in the MWC.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I know what you are saying and I agree with you. Several of the current MWC teams screwed us over many times. It is easy to imagine them doing it again. So I get what you are saying.

That being said, NMSU sees the MWC schools as peer institutions, much more so than the WAC schools. And yes, they would jump to the MWC in a heartbeat. If and until the WAC sponsors FBS, NMSU will always be looking for a home conference that supports all sports.

The SBC has grown in stature from a FB perspective. I would go so far as to say they have at least caught the MWC and maybe even surpassed them. Us NMSU fans are all about basketball, but we also know that FB runs the ship. So while the SBC is not as good as even the new WAC in BB, FB is what matters in the national landscape.
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(05-10-2021 11:45 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(05-10-2021 11:05 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  I certainly am not making myself clear here. It's OK. I just appreciate being/working with others that appreciate what you do bring to the table and we can all benefit from. Maybe I'm just old school and could be why I am destined to never rise up the corporate ladder.

I have 0 doubt that the second a MWC ever came (if ever), NMSU's administration would jump all over it in a heartbeat. We can compete with them most of the time. Where we lack is funding to help get to "the promised land" that BSU is striving for. If that's your gig, go get it. As a fan, I have just been beaten down enough that I would like to get with a group of schools with the same mindset. That doesn't mean it isn't a growth mindset, it is just an understanding that competition for resources with the P5 was over quite some time ago for the majority of the institutions out there. This conference can grow, and we can all benefit (even financially) by growing intrinsically. I like that, and would hate to throw that away just to go say we are in the MWC.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I know what you are saying and I agree with you. Several of the current MWC teams screwed us over many times. It is easy to imagine them doing it again. So I get what you are saying.

That being said, NMSU sees the MWC schools as peer institutions, much more so than the WAC schools. And yes, they would jump to the MWC in a heartbeat. If and until the WAC sponsors FBS, NMSU will always be looking for a home conference that supports all sports.

The SBC has grown in stature from a FB perspective. I would go so far as to say they have at least caught the MWC and maybe even surpassed them. Us NMSU fans are all about basketball, but we also know that FB runs the ship. So while the SBC is not as good as even the new WAC in BB, FB is what matters in the national landscape.

Well, given the original programs which started Sun Belt football (Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee North Texas, Florida International, etc.) I wouldn't say the SBC schools are any stronger now and then. But the SBC has definitely stabilized now given the movement they have gone through. I am hopefully, the SFA, SHSU, Lamar, ACU, and SUU will give the WAC that type stability in the future. But with the State of Texas being the bridge between the WAC and SBC; I fear the WAC will become a feeder for the SBC in the future. I am hopeful that there is a bond between the former SLC schools (and Tarleton) that will keep them invested in the WAC rather than look for greener pastures in the futures.
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(05-10-2021 12:01 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(05-10-2021 11:45 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(05-10-2021 11:05 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  I certainly am not making myself clear here. It's OK. I just appreciate being/working with others that appreciate what you do bring to the table and we can all benefit from. Maybe I'm just old school and could be why I am destined to never rise up the corporate ladder.

I have 0 doubt that the second a MWC ever came (if ever), NMSU's administration would jump all over it in a heartbeat. We can compete with them most of the time. Where we lack is funding to help get to "the promised land" that BSU is striving for. If that's your gig, go get it. As a fan, I have just been beaten down enough that I would like to get with a group of schools with the same mindset. That doesn't mean it isn't a growth mindset, it is just an understanding that competition for resources with the P5 was over quite some time ago for the majority of the institutions out there. This conference can grow, and we can all benefit (even financially) by growing intrinsically. I like that, and would hate to throw that away just to go say we are in the MWC.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I know what you are saying and I agree with you. Several of the current MWC teams screwed us over many times. It is easy to imagine them doing it again. So I get what you are saying.

That being said, NMSU sees the MWC schools as peer institutions, much more so than the WAC schools. And yes, they would jump to the MWC in a heartbeat. If and until the WAC sponsors FBS, NMSU will always be looking for a home conference that supports all sports.

The SBC has grown in stature from a FB perspective. I would go so far as to say they have at least caught the MWC and maybe even surpassed them. Us NMSU fans are all about basketball, but we also know that FB runs the ship. So while the SBC is not as good as even the new WAC in BB, FB is what matters in the national landscape.

Well, given the original programs which started Sun Belt football (Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee North Texas, Florida International, etc.) I wouldn't say the SBC schools are any stronger now and then. But the SBC has definitely stabilized now given the movement they have gone through. I am hopefully, the SFA, SHSU, Lamar, ACU, and SUU will give the WAC that type stability in the future. But with the State of Texas being the bridge between the WAC and SBC; I fear the WAC will become a feeder for the SBC in the future. I am hopeful that there is a bond between the former SLC schools (and Tarleton) that will keep them invested in the WAC rather than look for greener pastures in the futures.

When talking about the SBC, are you referencing FB or BB? In FB, they get ranked teams most years, they send multiple schools to bowl games. They win those bowl games. They have gotten significantly stronger in FB in recent years.

Why would the SBC want to expand? They want to stay at 10 schools. Why would they pick off the new WAC teams and have more mouths to feed?
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For the NMSU faithful are you speculating that if movement begins you will get an invite to a current FBS conference? As I look at things the question becomes what triggers movement. P5 conferences, there was talk at one time about creating four super conferences each with sixteen teams and those four would provide the playoff spots each year. That hasn't happen yet and with talk of expanding the playoffs I doubt there is any advantage to any of the current P5 conference to expand. So if the P5 don't expand what G5 conference needs to expand and would a school leave one G5 conference for another? With third assumption that football is the driving force for conference movement, I don't see any movement until the next expansion of the FBS playoffs occurs. Any expansion at all will provide that all five P5 conferences get at least one representative in the playoffs so that eliminates the need for any of them to expand or the incentive to move to four super conferences which is the potential peril of the Big 12, although the Big 12 has more FBS playoff appearances than the Pac 12 does at this time. TV money could be a driver, but as is often pointed out what conference wants to potentially dilute their members payouts. I can be totally wrong but I don't see a trigger to start expansion in the P5 which would force movement in the G5 conferences.
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There is speculation that the AAC is looking to expand with Boise St and 2 other teams. The other two teams are speculated to be SDSU, and CSU. The question then becomes, does the Mountain West then try to replace 1 or all three members? There are a few options out there if they are just talking Oly sports, but if they want football to come along, there aren’t too many options on the table.

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(05-11-2021 06:29 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  There is speculation that the AAC is looking to expand with Boise St and 2 other teams. The other two teams are speculated to be SDSU, and CSU. The question then becomes, does the Mountain West then try to replace 1 or all three members? There are a few options out there if they are just talking Oly sports, but if they want football to come along, there aren’t too many options on the table.

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(05-11-2021 06:50 AM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  
(05-11-2021 06:29 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  There is speculation that the AAC is looking to expand with Boise St and 2 other teams. The other two teams are speculated to be SDSU, and CSU. The question then becomes, does the Mountain West then try to replace 1 or all three members? There are a few options out there if they are just talking Oly sports, but if they want football to come along, there aren’t too many options on the table.

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I looked at the AAC and one more football school would get them to twelve but if the school came in all sports then they would have thirteen in basketball so unless they want to boot WSU who they just added a few years ago without football then where is the advantage. Honestly Boise St isn't any bigger draw right now than Cincinnati who is already a member and it doesn't get Boise to a playoff conference.
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(05-10-2021 08:20 PM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  For the NMSU faithful are you speculating that if movement begins you will get an invite to a current FBS conference? As I look at things the question becomes what triggers movement. P5 conferences, there was talk at one time about creating four super conferences each with sixteen teams and those four would provide the playoff spots each year. That hasn't happen yet and with talk of expanding the playoffs I doubt there is any advantage to any of the current P5 conference to expand. So if the P5 don't expand what G5 conference needs to expand and would a school leave one G5 conference for another? With third assumption that football is the driving force for conference movement, I don't see any movement until the next expansion of the FBS playoffs occurs. Any expansion at all will provide that all five P5 conferences get at least one representative in the playoffs so that eliminates the need for any of them to expand or the incentive to move to four super conferences which is the potential peril of the Big 12, although the Big 12 has more FBS playoff appearances than the Pac 12 does at this time. TV money could be a driver, but as is often pointed out what conference wants to potentially dilute their members payouts. I can be totally wrong but I don't see a trigger to start expansion in the P5 which would force movement in the G5 conferences.

No one is saying that NMSU is getting an FBS invite. This all has to do with speculation that the AAC is expanding with MWC teams. C-USA is bloated right now. I think a team like UTEP would get an invite to the MWC before NMSU did.
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Speculation belong the operant word here. It’s speculation based on a blog report whose author has a very poor track record of reporting on expansion plans, at least that’s what’s been posted on the thread on this subject.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-921674.html
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(05-10-2021 12:01 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(05-10-2021 11:45 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(05-10-2021 11:05 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  I certainly am not making myself clear here. It's OK. I just appreciate being/working with others that appreciate what you do bring to the table and we can all benefit from. Maybe I'm just old school and could be why I am destined to never rise up the corporate ladder.

I have 0 doubt that the second a MWC ever came (if ever), NMSU's administration would jump all over it in a heartbeat. We can compete with them most of the time. Where we lack is funding to help get to "the promised land" that BSU is striving for. If that's your gig, go get it. As a fan, I have just been beaten down enough that I would like to get with a group of schools with the same mindset. That doesn't mean it isn't a growth mindset, it is just an understanding that competition for resources with the P5 was over quite some time ago for the majority of the institutions out there. This conference can grow, and we can all benefit (even financially) by growing intrinsically. I like that, and would hate to throw that away just to go say we are in the MWC.

GO AGGIES!!!!

I know what you are saying and I agree with you. Several of the current MWC teams screwed us over many times. It is easy to imagine them doing it again. So I get what you are saying.

That being said, NMSU sees the MWC schools as peer institutions, much more so than the WAC schools. And yes, they would jump to the MWC in a heartbeat. If and until the WAC sponsors FBS, NMSU will always be looking for a home conference that supports all sports.

The SBC has grown in stature from a FB perspective. I would go so far as to say they have at least caught the MWC and maybe even surpassed them. Us NMSU fans are all about basketball, but we also know that FB runs the ship. So while the SBC is not as good as even the new WAC in BB, FB is what matters in the national landscape.

Well, given the original programs which started Sun Belt football (Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee North Texas, Florida International, etc.) I wouldn't say the SBC schools are any stronger now and then. But the SBC has definitely stabilized now given the movement they have gone through. I am hopefully, the SFA, SHSU, Lamar, ACU, and SUU will give the WAC that type stability in the future. But with the State of Texas being the bridge between the WAC and SBC; I fear the WAC will become a feeder for the SBC in the future. I am hopeful that there is a bond between the former SLC schools (and Tarleton) that will keep them invested in the WAC rather than look for greener pastures in the futures.

I dont think anyone should be worried about WAC becoming a feeder for the Sun Belt. Like PP said, there is no incentive to expand. It would dilute CFP, NCAA, Bowl, and TV money. Besides lets not forget that the SBC was in pretty dire straits after 2012 and if they wanted to and saw the potential they probably wouldve grabbed some of the SLC teams back then. Right now if we had to expand we'd probably invite Liberty and JMU or maybe 2 CUSA schools. Not sure if they'd be down though. Honestly I think we are the only flight risk for the SBC unless someone gets an offer from the AAC.
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(05-11-2021 07:09 AM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  
(05-11-2021 06:50 AM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  
(05-11-2021 06:29 AM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  There is speculation that the AAC is looking to expand with Boise St and 2 other teams. The other two teams are speculated to be SDSU, and CSU. The question then becomes, does the Mountain West then try to replace 1 or all three members? There are a few options out there if they are just talking Oly sports, but if they want football to come along, there aren’t too many options on the table.

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I looked at the AAC and one more football school would get them to twelve but if the school came in all sports then they would have thirteen in basketball so unless they want to boot WSU who they just added a few years ago without football then where is the advantage. Honestly Boise St isn't any bigger draw right now than Cincinnati who is already a member and it doesn't get Boise to a playoff conference.

No, adding an all-sports member gets them back to 12 in basketball too. Navy is football only.
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RE: WAC Expansion/FCS - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
"I dont think anyone should be worried about WAC becoming a feeder for the Sun Belt. Like PP said, there is no incentive to expand. It would dilute CFP, NCAA, Bowl, and TV money. Besides lets not forget that the SBC was in pretty dire straits after 2012 and if they wanted to and saw the potential they probably wouldve grabbed some of the SLC teams back then. Right now if we had to expand we'd probably invite Liberty and JMU or maybe 2 CUSA schools. Not sure if they'd be down though. Honestly I think we are the only flight risk for the SBC unless someone gets an offer from the AAC."

I agree with you. There is no reason for any team to leave the Belt. The SBC might eventually add 2 members to go to 12, but if that happened it would probably 2 of the following 3; Marshall, or Liberty, and on the West side possibly USM. The only reason this is a possibility is to add a little comfort zone in case a school would suddenly leave. Also, Marshall seems to be a natural rival for App State, and USM would be a natural rival for South Alabama, Louisiana, and ULM. I really do not see any reason that the AAC would expand unless a member would get an offer from a Power 5 conference. None of these moves would stimulate any movement in the WAC.
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RE: WAC Expansion/FCS - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
(05-11-2021 08:41 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  Speculation belong the operant word here. It’s speculation based on a blog report whose author has a very poor track record of reporting on expansion plans, at least that’s what’s been posted on the thread on this subject.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-921674.html

Exactly....it is ALL speculation. Whether it happens or not, I don't know. The main point being here that I, as a fan, aren't a big fan of some of the institutions in the MWC. I GUARANTEE the powers that be at the University have a different feel for the MWC than I do.

I also agree that UTEP would get an invite before NMSU. Maybe even a UNT or someone else in Texas as well. I'm OK with that. I kinda just want to grow this conference with the new adds and the current membership. Just my .02.

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RE: WAC Expansion/FCS - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
According to this blog NAU and UIW are the two schools the WAC is looking at, with West Texas AM remains a “wild card.”

It also claims the Southland is pursuing Texas A&M Commerce and Midwestern State.


https://twitter.com/low_madness/status/1...35812?s=21[/quote]https://twitter.com/low_madness/status/1392251183545335812?s=21
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RE: WAC Expansion/FCS - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
(05-12-2021 05:57 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  According to this blog NAU and UIW are the two schools the WAC is looking at, with West Texas AM remains a “wild card.”

It also claims the Southland is pursuing Texas A&M Commerce and Midwestern State.


https://twitter.com/low_madness/status/1...35812?s=21

He’s got the “sounds like” and “seems to be” qualifiers in there so this is probably based more on message board rumors than any real evidence. I look more to Matt Brown who has actual sources for insights.

Having said that, it would be dumb for NAU to not be taking take a hard look at joining the WAC. Travel would be easier and cheaper, the basketball competition would be stronger, the opportunity to recruit in Texas would be much greater, and thanks to SHSU’s FCS title run the WAC will have instant credibility as a new football conference. Also I’d bet a donut there are far more NAU alumni living in the new WAC footprint than in the Big Sky footprint, which means NAU would have new and better opportunities in the WAC to host alumni events at away games and possibly generate more donation revenue.

And hey, NAU already has a WAC title streak to build on:

https://nauathletics.com/news/2021/2/27/...-year.aspx
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