(10-28-2020 05:30 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  Some pretty comical stuff from SFA. They think they’re CUSA material not WAC. But they’re crying about traveling in the WAC and that they can’t afford it. Good luck getting in CUSA with that athletic budget.

https://sfasawmill.com/forums/7/topics/1811

They have this UMKC fan vibe to them...

(10-28-2020 05:58 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 05:30 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  Some pretty comical stuff from SFA. They think they’re CUSA material not WAC. But they’re crying about traveling in the WAC and that they can’t afford it. Good luck getting in CUSA with that athletic budget.

https://sfasawmill.com/forums/7/topics/1811

They have this UMKC fan vibe to them...

I know SFA well. Tarleton and SFA are similar in alot of ways. Except of course the fact that we OWN them in Football. But I digress...both are tradition-rich schools located in quaint little college towns. Tarleton, however, especially under current leadership, has become much more forward-thinking. Bottom line, whether SFA fans want to admit it or not, WAC > SLC. It has to do with upside, of which the SLC has none. If Hurd does indeed extend them an invite, SFA better get in, sit down, shut up, and hold on.
It should also be noted that SFA is now the only remaining independent public university in Texas. I think that will change soon. Well, the reality is it has to change if they want to keep up. UT already has a presence in East Texas with UT-Tyler, other East Texas schools Sam Houston and Lamar are now rolling with the Texas State System. Does SFA eventually join the A&M System? Travel costs wouldn't be so much of an issue then. Just sayin.

The reality is SFA, SHSU, ACU, and Lamar all know what they have in the Southland; and it will never be more than low mid-major conference. Joining the WAC gives these schools a chance to the push the WAC into the middle or upper echelons of the mid-major rankings, a notch below the MVC, but ahead of the Big West, Summit, Horizon, and Sun Belt in basketball with still room to improve.

(10-28-2020 06:57 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  The reality is SFA, SHSU, ACU, and Lamar all know what they have in the Southland; and it will never be more than low mid-major conference. Joining the WAC gives these schools a chance to the push the WAC into the middle or upper echelons of the mid-major rankings, a notch below the MVC, but ahead of the Big West, Summit, Horizon, and Sun Belt in basketball with still room to improve.

SFA has had a good run in basketball recently, but they absolutely sucked before that. Those teams joining isn’t making a 2 bid league. If SFA goes back to sucking, they’re just the same as the other WAC teams, besides NMSU.

(10-28-2020 11:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 06:57 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  The reality is SFA, SHSU, ACU, and Lamar all know what they have in the Southland; and it will never be more than low mid-major conference. Joining the WAC gives these schools a chance to the push the WAC into the middle or upper echelons of the mid-major rankings, a notch below the MVC, but ahead of the Big West, Summit, Horizon, and Sun Belt in basketball with still room to improve.

SFA has had a good run in basketball recently, but they absolutely sucked before that. Those teams joining isn’t making a 2 bid league. If SFA goes back to sucking, they’re just the same as the other WAC teams, besides NMSU.

Define recent. They’ve been pretty darn good the last 12-13 years, and even had some 20 win years in the early 2000s. So they’ve held their own for quite a while now, and have shown in the tournament that they’re a tough out time and time again. I’m with many others in thinking SFA *could* solidify the WAC as a two bid league assuming the other teams (CBU, GCU, UVU) continue to do well.

https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/23...e-schools/

(10-29-2020 10:07 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/23...e-schools/

Makes sense to me

(10-29-2020 05:36 AM)joshadam84 Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 06:57 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  The reality is SFA, SHSU, ACU, and Lamar all know what they have in the Southland; and it will never be more than low mid-major conference. Joining the WAC gives these schools a chance to the push the WAC into the middle or upper echelons of the mid-major rankings, a notch below the MVC, but ahead of the Big West, Summit, Horizon, and Sun Belt in basketball with still room to improve.

SFA has had a good run in basketball recently, but they absolutely sucked before that. Those teams joining isn’t making a 2 bid league. If SFA goes back to sucking, they’re just the same as the other WAC teams, besides NMSU.

Define recent. They’ve been pretty darn good the last 12-13 years, and even had some 20 win years in the early 2000s. So they’ve held their own for quite a while now, and have shown in the tournament that they’re a tough out time and time again. I’m with many others in thinking SFA *could* solidify the WAC as a two bid league assuming the other teams (CBU, GCU, UVU) continue to do well.

SFA is dealing with NCAA sanctions now but they did beat Duke.

(10-29-2020 10:27 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 05:36 AM)joshadam84 Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 06:57 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  The reality is SFA, SHSU, ACU, and Lamar all know what they have in the Southland; and it will never be more than low mid-major conference. Joining the WAC gives these schools a chance to the push the WAC into the middle or upper echelons of the mid-major rankings, a notch below the MVC, but ahead of the Big West, Summit, Horizon, and Sun Belt in basketball with still room to improve.

SFA has had a good run in basketball recently, but they absolutely sucked before that. Those teams joining isn’t making a 2 bid league. If SFA goes back to sucking, they’re just the same as the other WAC teams, besides NMSU.

Define recent. They’ve been pretty darn good the last 12-13 years, and even had some 20 win years in the early 2000s. So they’ve held their own for quite a while now, and have shown in the tournament that they’re a tough out time and time again. I’m with many others in thinking SFA *could* solidify the WAC as a two bid league assuming the other teams (CBU, GCU, UVU) continue to do well.

SFA is dealing with NCAA sanctions now but they did beat Duke.

One off games aren’t the end all be all. They also lost to a mediocre Alabama team and a middling TAMUCC team.

(10-29-2020 10:26 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:07 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/23...e-schools/

Makes sense to me

Greater distance between schools doesn't always equate to greater travel cost. If the means of transportation is cheap enough and more easily scheduled like at many of these airport hub cities near most WAC schools. Travel cost increases could be negligible for the Olympic sports in a two division setup.

What kind of cost-containment strategy does the WAC have that may be enticing for the Southland additions?

Divisions with the Texas schools isolated from everyone but perhaps NMSU (if needed) once Chicago State is out?

Could we see very limited cross-division play (perhaps in volleyball, softball and tennis), having "round up" like events that all schools converge at...? What does women's soccer look like?
Basketball featuring home-and-home arrangements within division and just one home or away with other division (in an effort to limit plane trips)?
Divisional play in baseball too with a somewhat similar arrangement to basketball?

(10-29-2020 11:59 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What kind of cost-containment strategy does the WAC have that may be enticing for the Southland additions?

Divisions with the Texas schools isolated from everyone but perhaps NMSU (if needed) once Chicago State is out?

Could we see very limited cross-division play (perhaps in volleyball, softball and tennis), having "round up" like events that all schools converge at...? What does women's soccer look like?
Basketball featuring home-and-home arrangements within division and just one home or away with other division (in an effort to limit plane trips)?
Divisional play in baseball too with a somewhat similar arrangement to basketball?

You don't leave a bus league like the SLC for the WAC if you are worried about travel cost containment.

You join it because you want to expand your brand, play in a stronger basketball league and try something new.

You know what the Southland is and what it isn't. Its not getting better and how would it get better.

What they can offer appears to be a division which would be
Sam,SFA, Lamar, RGV, Tarleton and Chicago.

(10-29-2020 12:22 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 11:59 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What kind of cost-containment strategy does the WAC have that may be enticing for the Southland additions?

Divisions with the Texas schools isolated from everyone but perhaps NMSU (if needed) once Chicago State is out?

Could we see very limited cross-division play (perhaps in volleyball, softball and tennis), having "round up" like events that all schools converge at...? What does women's soccer look like?
Basketball featuring home-and-home arrangements within division and just one home or away with other division (in an effort to limit plane trips)?
Divisional play in baseball too with a somewhat similar arrangement to basketball?

You don't leave a bus league like the SLC for the WAC if you are worried about travel cost containment.

You join it because you want to expand your brand, play in a stronger basketball league and try something new.

You know what the Southland is and what it isn't. Its not getting better and how would it get better.

What they can offer appears to be a division which would be
Sam,SFA, Lamar, RGV, Tarleton and Chicago.

Exactly, everyone seems to be crying about travel and money. If they can’t afford it or cry about traveling, stay in your stuck in the mud conference. The WAC is trying to build something and we need schools similar minded. Tarleton and Dixie are perfect examples of schools that want to excel.

Tarleton fans: was there this much crying about money and travel when rumors started that you guys were joining the WAC? I know if NMSU got a call up to the MW, we’d jump on it worry about things later.

(10-29-2020 11:38 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:27 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 05:36 AM)joshadam84 Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 06:57 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  The reality is SFA, SHSU, ACU, and Lamar all know what they have in the Southland; and it will never be more than low mid-major conference. Joining the WAC gives these schools a chance to the push the WAC into the middle or upper echelons of the mid-major rankings, a notch below the MVC, but ahead of the Big West, Summit, Horizon, and Sun Belt in basketball with still room to improve.

SFA has had a good run in basketball recently, but they absolutely sucked before that. Those teams joining isn’t making a 2 bid league. If SFA goes back to sucking, they’re just the same as the other WAC teams, besides NMSU.

Define recent. They’ve been pretty darn good the last 12-13 years, and even had some 20 win years in the early 2000s. So they’ve held their own for quite a while now, and have shown in the tournament that they’re a tough out time and time again. I’m with many others in thinking SFA *could* solidify the WAC as a two bid league assuming the other teams (CBU, GCU, UVU) continue to do well.

SFA is dealing with NCAA sanctions now but they did beat Duke.

One off games aren’t the end all be all. They also lost to a mediocre Alabama team and a middling TAMUCC team.

I hear you but how many schools from low major league have beat Duke?

(10-29-2020 12:48 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 11:38 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:27 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 05:36 AM)joshadam84 Wrote:  

(10-28-2020 11:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  SFA has had a good run in basketball recently, but they absolutely sucked before that. Those teams joining isn’t making a 2 bid league. If SFA goes back to sucking, they’re just the same as the other WAC teams, besides NMSU.

Define recent. They’ve been pretty darn good the last 12-13 years, and even had some 20 win years in the early 2000s. So they’ve held their own for quite a while now, and have shown in the tournament that they’re a tough out time and time again. I’m with many others in thinking SFA *could* solidify the WAC as a two bid league assuming the other teams (CBU, GCU, UVU) continue to do well.

SFA is dealing with NCAA sanctions now but they did beat Duke.

One off games aren’t the end all be all. They also lost to a mediocre Alabama team and a middling TAMUCC team.

I hear you but how many schools from low major league have beat Duke?

It’s a good win, no doubt about it. Just saying that SFA isn’t going to elevate the WAC to a 2 bid league because they beat Duke one time.

Lehigh beat them in the NCAA tournament. I’m sure there are other instances though.

(10-29-2020 12:47 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 12:22 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 11:59 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What kind of cost-containment strategy does the WAC have that may be enticing for the Southland additions?

Divisions with the Texas schools isolated from everyone but perhaps NMSU (if needed) once Chicago State is out?

Could we see very limited cross-division play (perhaps in volleyball, softball and tennis), having "round up" like events that all schools converge at...? What does women's soccer look like?
Basketball featuring home-and-home arrangements within division and just one home or away with other division (in an effort to limit plane trips)?
Divisional play in baseball too with a somewhat similar arrangement to basketball?

You don't leave a bus league like the SLC for the WAC if you are worried about travel cost containment.

You join it because you want to expand your brand, play in a stronger basketball league and try something new.

You know what the Southland is and what it isn't. Its not getting better and how would it get better.

What they can offer appears to be a division which would be
Sam,SFA, Lamar, RGV, Tarleton and Chicago.

Exactly, everyone seems to be crying about travel and money. If they can’t afford it or cry about traveling, stay in your stuck in the mud conference. The WAC is trying to build something and we need schools similar minded. Tarleton and Dixie are perfect examples of schools that want to excel.

Tarleton fans: was there this much crying about money and travel when rumors started that you guys were joining the WAC? I know if NMSU got a call up to the MW, we’d jump on it worry about things later.

You’re right to some extent. However, we’re talking about 2020 here. Those schools are leaving a regional 3 state conference with several bus trips; to a conference with in 7 spread out states. Which means dealing with 4 more different sets of rules, etc. Maybe this thing will be over by the time they join, maybe not. If you have a whole year with little or no gate revenue plus reduced money games, spending money on travel isn’t ideal.

That aside, how will the WAC “brand” help them better than the SLC? Both conferences are on ESPN+ and the conference championship games are on ESPN2/U. One is not really better than the other. It would be different if the WAC were on NBCSN or FS1. I don’t see any channel coming in and broadcasting WAC games anytime soon either.

(10-29-2020 12:47 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 12:22 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  [quote='TexasTerror' pid='17063827' dateline='1603990757']
What kind of cost-containment strategy does the WAC have that may be enticing for the Southland additions?

Divisions with the Texas schools isolated from everyone but perhaps NMSU (if needed) once Chicago State is out?

Could we see very limited cross-division play (perhaps in volleyball, softball and tennis), having "round up" like events that all schools converge at...? What does women's soccer look like?
Basketball featuring home-and-home arrangements within division and just one home or away with other division (in an effort to limit plane trips)?
Divisional play in baseball too with a somewhat similar arrangement to basketball?
[/quote]You don't leave a bus league like the SLC for the WAC if you are worried about travel cost containment.

[b]You join it because you want to expand your brand, play in a stronger basketball league and try something new.

You know what the Southland is and what it isn't. Its not getting better and how would it get better.

What they can offer appears to be a division which would be
Sam,SFA, Lamar, RGV, Tarleton and Chicago.

Exactly, everyone seems to be crying about travel and money. If they can’t afford it or cry about traveling, stay in your stuck in the mud conference. The WAC is trying to build something and we need schools similar minded. Tarleton and Dixie are perfect examples of schools that want to excel.

Tarleton fans: was there this much crying about money and travel when rumors started that you guys were joining the WAC? I know if NMSU got a call up to the MW, we’d jump on it worry about things later.

YAAASSSS....to both of you.

Leaving the SLC to be with Chicago St isn’t something I would do. Hard to believe that would be a selling point of any kind.

(10-29-2020 12:22 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  You don't leave a bus league like the SLC for the WAC if you are worried about travel cost containment.

The question is going to come up and that's a big hesitancy at least amongst those folks who are bickering online. In my opinion, football isn't so much the issue as the other sports.

(10-29-2020 12:22 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  You know what the Southland is and what it isn't. Its not getting better and how would it get better.

Correct.

(10-29-2020 12:22 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  What they can offer appears to be a division which would be Sam,SFA, Lamar, RGV, Tarleton and Chicago.

Chicago State won't be a part of the equation if the SLC schools join, I've got to figure. I am still surprised (considering the involvement of Texas A&M System in this whole thing according to the online scuttlebutt) that Texas A&M - Corpus Christi has not been mentioned anywhere.

(10-29-2020 11:55 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:26 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:07 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/23...e-schools/

Makes sense to me

Greater distance between schools doesn't always equate to greater travel cost. If the means of transportation is cheap enough and more easily scheduled like at many of these airport hub cities near most WAC schools. Travel cost increases could be negligible for the Olympic sports in a two division setup.

Spot on. Plus the article does not mention basketball. I think we can all agree that:
1. The WAC is a better basketball league than the SLC.
2. Adding SFA to the WAC will only strengthen basketball. I'm not saying a 2 bid league necessarily, but the WAC would get that much better.

If you want to talk FB, being FBS ups the P5 payout from the $250-500 range (FCS) to $1-2M (FBS).