(10-30-2020 11:36 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:39 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 05:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Yes, it's true, SFA would be a nice addition to the WAC in Basketball, but us Tarleton fans also know the real gem they'll bring as a Football program.....
The one and only Coach Carthel:
https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachCarthel/...9695172608

(10-30-2020 10:13 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:23 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 08:06 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  That link included a link to a story about West Texas A&M. They have been mentioned as a D2 school that could move up and be competitive.

What I found most interesting, is that both TSU and WT used the some firm to study the move to D1. 18 months later TSU joined the WAC. It's been 18 months since WT did their D1 study.

https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/01...ivision-i/

Presuming WT did move up, that would put pressure on the other LSC schools to either move up as well or find a new football conference.

I think so. Once the WAC gets to 8, it can be more selective if/when it wants to grow beyond that. WTAMU, Angelo, MSU and UTPB are the best options from the LSC. But also, the SLC will need to backfill if SFA, Sam, ACU and Lamar leave. Kingsville and Commerce would fit in there nicely. LSC will court MHB, Texas Wesleyan, and Wayland Baptist, and St. Mary's is supposedly starting up football again.

Not to kick this back off but would UMHB want to move up and would the LSC have any interest in NAIA programs? Seems more likely the LSC would drop football.

Yep the way things are shaping up it's NAIA or bust for the LSC. I bet they try to keep football, arguably the best D2 conference in the country. Was, anyway.

One would expect to find better than Texas Wesleyan. You'd have a conference of Midwestern and ENMU plus TX Wesleyan and Wayland Baptist. I wouldn't consider that the best D2 conference in the region let alone country.

(10-30-2020 11:51 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 11:36 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:39 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 05:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Yes, it's true, SFA would be a nice addition to the WAC in Basketball, but us Tarleton fans also know the real gem they'll bring as a Football program.....
The one and only Coach Carthel:
https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachCarthel/...9695172608

(10-30-2020 10:13 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:23 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  Presuming WT did move up, that would put pressure on the other LSC schools to either move up as well or find a new football conference.

I think so. Once the WAC gets to 8, it can be more selective if/when it wants to grow beyond that. WTAMU, Angelo, MSU and UTPB are the best options from the LSC. But also, the SLC will need to backfill if SFA, Sam, ACU and Lamar leave. Kingsville and Commerce would fit in there nicely. LSC will court MHB, Texas Wesleyan, and Wayland Baptist, and St. Mary's is supposedly starting up football again.

Not to kick this back off but would UMHB want to move up and would the LSC have any interest in NAIA programs? Seems more likely the LSC would drop football.

Yep the way things are shaping up it's NAIA or bust for the LSC. I bet they try to keep football, arguably the best D2 conference in the country. Was, anyway.

One would expect to find better than Texas Wesleyan. You'd have a conference of Midwestern and ENMU plus TX Wesleyan and Wayland Baptist. I wouldn't consider that the best D2 conference in the region let alone country.

Thats the grave the LSC dug for itself when it decided to become the Heartland 2.0
MSU will move up/over somewhere with Angelo now that they're both soon to be under the same TTU umbrella.

(10-30-2020 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:32 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:03 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 02:52 AM)Todor Wrote:  Even 2 programs that are consistently in contention for a tourney bid would go a long ways. When the second place team is near 200 in the net rankings it’s just not happening.

Having weak WAC peers in the NET rankings doesn't do NMSU any favors when it comes to NCAA seeding. It drags down NMSU's NET and pits them against a top 5 seed every time. It is hard to get out of the first round with such a bad seeding. The WAC needs for programs like GCU and CBU (and the others) to improve. And, add other new members who can fill in the gaps above our perennial bottom feeders. Schools like SFA, San Houston, and Abilene Christian would immediate help the WAC's NET ranking right now. Lamar and Southern Utah have the potential to help in the future; on any given year. If these SLC schools choose not to join the WAC soon, I am "almost" willing to bet they will be eating Tarleton State's dust as the Texan's race past the SLC schools in basketball prestige.

You know it!

I agrees with the assessment, but honestly, the SLC is a rock bottom conference. About 30 out of 32, so they already have a mouth so full of dust, no more will fit.

SFA has won 2 first round games coming out of the SLC. If the SLC is rock bottom, what is the WAC?

(10-30-2020 12:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:32 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:03 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 02:52 AM)Todor Wrote:  Even 2 programs that are consistently in contention for a tourney bid would go a long ways. When the second place team is near 200 in the net rankings it’s just not happening.

Having weak WAC peers in the NET rankings doesn't do NMSU any favors when it comes to NCAA seeding. It drags down NMSU's NET and pits them against a top 5 seed every time. It is hard to get out of the first round with such a bad seeding. The WAC needs for programs like GCU and CBU (and the others) to improve. And, add other new members who can fill in the gaps above our perennial bottom feeders. Schools like SFA, San Houston, and Abilene Christian would immediate help the WAC's NET ranking right now. Lamar and Southern Utah have the potential to help in the future; on any given year. If these SLC schools choose not to join the WAC soon, I am "almost" willing to bet they will be eating Tarleton State's dust as the Texan's race past the SLC schools in basketball prestige.

You know it!

I agrees with the assessment, but honestly, the SLC is a rock bottom conference. About 30 out of 32, so they already have a mouth so full of dust, no more will fit.

SFA has won 2 first round games coming out of the SLC. If the SLC is rock bottom, what is the WAC?

An unlucky conference?

(10-30-2020 12:55 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 12:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:32 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:03 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Having weak WAC peers in the NET rankings doesn't do NMSU any favors when it comes to NCAA seeding. It drags down NMSU's NET and pits them against a top 5 seed every time. It is hard to get out of the first round with such a bad seeding. The WAC needs for programs like GCU and CBU (and the others) to improve. And, add other new members who can fill in the gaps above our perennial bottom feeders. Schools like SFA, San Houston, and Abilene Christian would immediate help the WAC's NET ranking right now. Lamar and Southern Utah have the potential to help in the future; on any given year. If these SLC schools choose not to join the WAC soon, I am "almost" willing to bet they will be eating Tarleton State's dust as the Texan's race past the SLC schools in basketball prestige.

You know it!

I agrees with the assessment, but honestly, the SLC is a rock bottom conference. About 30 out of 32, so they already have a mouth so full of dust, no more will fit.

SFA has won 2 first round games coming out of the SLC. If the SLC is rock bottom, what is the WAC?

An unlucky conference?

Since the 2007 the WAC has been unlucky, but many smaller conferences have managed to win games since. Okay.

(10-30-2020 01:04 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 12:55 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 12:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:32 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  You know it!

I agrees with the assessment, but honestly, the SLC is a rock bottom conference. About 30 out of 32, so they already have a mouth so full of dust, no more will fit.

SFA has won 2 first round games coming out of the SLC. If the SLC is rock bottom, what is the WAC?

An unlucky conference?

Since the 2007 the WAC has been unlucky, but many smaller conferences have managed to win games since. Okay.

I wasn't being serious with that answer... Though in all honesty, suit them up and I'm picking NMSU to win.

(10-30-2020 10:13 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:23 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 08:06 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:07 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/23...e-schools/

That link included a link to a story about West Texas A&M. They have been mentioned as a D2 school that could move up and be competitive.

What I found most interesting, is that both TSU and WT used the some firm to study the move to D1. 18 months later TSU joined the WAC. It's been 18 months since WT did their D1 study.

https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/01...ivision-i/

Presuming WT did move up, that would put pressure on the other LSC schools to either move up as well or find a new football conference.

I think so. Once the WAC gets to 8, it can be more selective if/when it wants to grow beyond that. WTAMU, Angelo, MSU and UTPB are the best D2 moveup options from the LSC. But also, the SLC will need to backfill if SFA, Sam, ACU and Lamar leave. Kingsville and Commerce would fit in there nicely. LSC will court MHB, Texas Wesleyan, and Wayland Baptist, and St. Mary's is supposedly starting up football again.

This is what gets NMSU fans bummed out. You are talking alphabet soup. I have no idea who or what any of this. Hard to get excited about any of this is. I have no idea who these teams are.

(10-30-2020 12:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:32 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:03 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 02:52 AM)Todor Wrote:  Even 2 programs that are consistently in contention for a tourney bid would go a long ways. When the second place team is near 200 in the net rankings it’s just not happening.

Having weak WAC peers in the NET rankings doesn't do NMSU any favors when it comes to NCAA seeding. It drags down NMSU's NET and pits them against a top 5 seed every time. It is hard to get out of the first round with such a bad seeding. The WAC needs for programs like GCU and CBU (and the others) to improve. And, add other new members who can fill in the gaps above our perennial bottom feeders. Schools like SFA, San Houston, and Abilene Christian would immediate help the WAC's NET ranking right now. Lamar and Southern Utah have the potential to help in the future; on any given year. If these SLC schools choose not to join the WAC soon, I am "almost" willing to bet they will be eating Tarleton State's dust as the Texan's race past the SLC schools in basketball prestige.

You know it!

I agrees with the assessment, but honestly, the SLC is a rock bottom conference. About 30 out of 32, so they already have a mouth so full of dust, no more will fit.

SFA has won 2 first round games coming out of the SLC. If the SLC is rock bottom, what is the WAC?

I’m getting tired of your posts. I have always rooted for SU and saw some potential there. Now I can’t wait to kick SU butt.

(10-30-2020 04:35 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 12:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:32 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:03 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Having weak WAC peers in the NET rankings doesn't do NMSU any favors when it comes to NCAA seeding. It drags down NMSU's NET and pits them against a top 5 seed every time. It is hard to get out of the first round with such a bad seeding. The WAC needs for programs like GCU and CBU (and the others) to improve. And, add other new members who can fill in the gaps above our perennial bottom feeders. Schools like SFA, San Houston, and Abilene Christian would immediate help the WAC's NET ranking right now. Lamar and Southern Utah have the potential to help in the future; on any given year. If these SLC schools choose not to join the WAC soon, I am "almost" willing to bet they will be eating Tarleton State's dust as the Texan's race past the SLC schools in basketball prestige.

You know it!

I agrees with the assessment, but honestly, the SLC is a rock bottom conference. About 30 out of 32, so they already have a mouth so full of dust, no more will fit.

SFA has won 2 first round games coming out of the SLC. If the SLC is rock bottom, what is the WAC?

I’m getting tired of your posts. I have always rooted for SU and saw some potential there. Now I can’t wait to kick SU butt.

Not saying anything untrue or personal towards NMSU. The WAC hasn’t won a 1st round game since the 2007 Tournament. NMSU didn’t lose all those games. Hard to call the SLC a “rock bottom conference” when they have better results when it counts. Just having a hard time figuring out why the SLC teams would join the WAC during a pandemic. Unless there’s some “golden ticket” to FBS, it doesn’t make sense to me.

(10-30-2020 04:33 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:13 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:23 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 08:06 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:07 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/23...e-schools/

That link included a link to a story about West Texas A&M. They have been mentioned as a D2 school that could move up and be competitive.

What I found most interesting, is that both TSU and WT used the some firm to study the move to D1. 18 months later TSU joined the WAC. It's been 18 months since WT did their D1 study.

https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/01...ivision-i/

Presuming WT did move up, that would put pressure on the other LSC schools to either move up as well or find a new football conference.

I think so. Once the WAC gets to 8, it can be more selective if/when it wants to grow beyond that. WTAMU, Angelo, MSU and UTPB are the best D2 moveup options from the LSC. But also, the SLC will need to backfill if SFA, Sam, ACU and Lamar leave. Kingsville and Commerce would fit in there nicely. LSC will court MHB, Texas Wesleyan, and Wayland Baptist, and St. Mary's is supposedly starting up football again.

This is what gets NMSU fans bummed out. You are talking alphabet soup. I have no idea who or what any of this. Hard to get excited about any of this. I have no idea who these teams are.

D2 and SLC. For the most part.

(10-30-2020 04:48 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 04:35 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 12:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:32 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  You know it!

I agrees with the assessment, but honestly, the SLC is a rock bottom conference. About 30 out of 32, so they already have a mouth so full of dust, no more will fit.

SFA has won 2 first round games coming out of the SLC. If the SLC is rock bottom, what is the WAC?

I’m getting tired of your posts. I have always rooted for SU and saw some potential there. Now I can’t wait to kick SU butt.

Not saying anything untrue or personal towards NMSU. The WAC hasn’t won a 1st round game since the 2007 Tournament. NMSU didn’t lose all those games. Hard to call the SLC a “rock bottom conference” when they have better results when it counts. Just having a hard time figuring out why the SLC teams would join the WAC during a pandemic. Unless there’s some “golden ticket” to FBS, it doesn’t make sense to me.

The only thing I can think of other than"FBS golden ticket" is improving in competition with other schools in the 200s on down.

(10-29-2020 04:34 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 03:12 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 03:03 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 11:55 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:26 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Makes sense to me

Greater distance between schools doesn't always equate to greater travel cost. If the means of transportation is cheap enough and more easily scheduled like at many of these airport hub cities near most WAC schools. Travel cost increases could be negligible for the Olympic sports in a two division setup.

Spot on. Plus the article does not mention basketball. I think we can all agree that:
1. The WAC is a better basketball league than the SLC.
2. Adding SFA to the WAC will only strengthen basketball. I'm not saying a 2 bid league necessarily, but the WAC would get that much better.

If you want to talk FB, being FBS ups the P5 payout from the $250-500 range (FCS) to $1-2M (FBS).

There is no difference between a weak 1 bid league and a “strong” 1 bid league.

There is a difference in tournament seeding. A strong one-bid mid-major team has a better chance at winning a game in the NCAA tournament than a "weak "one-bid conference team. At one time, the WCC used to be a one-bid conference. But over time Gonzaga pulled up the rest of the conference to the point that now the WCC can get two teams into the NCAA tournament most years. It takes time but it also takes teams who can set a high bar. NMSU has set the current bar. But in time, GCU, CBU, (and SFA if they join) can push NMSU to set a higher bar if they want to remain the alpha in the conference.

For CBU, Dixie, and Tarleton they can't make the NCAA for four years after they moved to D1. That's a stupid outdated rule. How would you like to recruit, and tell players they can't go to the NCAA, even if they win the conference. Hell, until this year, those schools couldn't go to the WAC Tourney, and even now they have to wait two years, but still no NCAA. If CBU won the WAC Tourney this year, they deserve to go to the NCAA. Nobody gave them the wins.

I don't know the entire situation at CBU, but they had something like 7-9 kids in the transfer portal. Are some looking for more playing time? Yes. Do some hate the coach and want to leave? Probably. I'm sure some kids came back too. But, how you feel, if other schools preyed on your best players with the caveat of playing in the NCAA. Those three WAC schools, can't do anything about that.

Maybe the WAC could sponsor a rule change to allow D2 schools to go to the NCAA immediately, if they win their conference tourney.

(10-30-2020 10:13 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:23 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 08:06 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:07 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/23...e-schools/

That link included a link to a story about West Texas A&M. They have been mentioned as a D2 school that could move up and be competitive.

What I found most interesting, is that both TSU and WT used the some firm to study the move to D1. 18 months later TSU joined the WAC. It's been 18 months since WT did their D1 study.

https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/01...ivision-i/

Presuming WT did move up, that would put pressure on the other LSC schools to either move up as well or find a new football conference.

I think so. Once the WAC gets to 8, it can be more selective if/when it wants to grow beyond that. WTAMU, Angelo, MSU and UTPB are the best D2 moveup options from the LSC. But also, the SLC will need to backfill if SFA, Sam, ACU and Lamar leave. Kingsville and Commerce would fit in there nicely. LSC will court MHB, Texas Wesleyan, and Wayland Baptist, and St. Mary's is supposedly starting up football again.

Which is the school that NFL HOFer, Darrell Green went to? It was called Texas A&I!

(10-30-2020 06:00 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:13 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:23 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 08:06 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 10:07 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/23...e-schools/

That link included a link to a story about West Texas A&M. They have been mentioned as a D2 school that could move up and be competitive.

What I found most interesting, is that both TSU and WT used the some firm to study the move to D1. 18 months later TSU joined the WAC. It's been 18 months since WT did their D1 study.

https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/01...ivision-i/

Presuming WT did move up, that would put pressure on the other LSC schools to either move up as well or find a new football conference.

I think so. Once the WAC gets to 8, it can be more selective if/when it wants to grow beyond that. WTAMU, Angelo, MSU and UTPB are the best D2 moveup options from the LSC. But also, the SLC will need to backfill if SFA, Sam, ACU and Lamar leave. Kingsville and Commerce would fit in there nicely. LSC will court MHB, Texas Wesleyan, and Wayland Baptist, and St. Mary's is supposedly starting up football again.

Which is the school that NFL HOFer, Darrell Green went to? It was called Texas A&I!

Changing A&I to TAMUK was a mistake, in my opinion. A&I had some name recognition and tradition behind it.

(10-30-2020 05:57 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 04:34 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 03:12 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 03:03 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 11:55 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Greater distance between schools doesn't always equate to greater travel cost. If the means of transportation is cheap enough and more easily scheduled like at many of these airport hub cities near most WAC schools. Travel cost increases could be negligible for the Olympic sports in a two division setup.

Spot on. Plus the article does not mention basketball. I think we can all agree that:
1. The WAC is a better basketball league than the SLC.
2. Adding SFA to the WAC will only strengthen basketball. I'm not saying a 2 bid league necessarily, but the WAC would get that much better.

If you want to talk FB, being FBS ups the P5 payout from the $250-500 range (FCS) to $1-2M (FBS).

There is no difference between a weak 1 bid league and a “strong” 1 bid league.

There is a difference in tournament seeding. A strong one-bid mid-major team has a better chance at winning a game in the NCAA tournament than a "weak "one-bid conference team. At one time, the WCC used to be a one-bid conference. But over time Gonzaga pulled up the rest of the conference to the point that now the WCC can get two teams into the NCAA tournament most years. It takes time but it also takes teams who can set a high bar. NMSU has set the current bar. But in time, GCU, CBU, (and SFA if they join) can push NMSU to set a higher bar if they want to remain the alpha in the conference.

For CBU, Dixie, and Tarleton they can't make the NCAA for four years after they moved to D1. That's a stupid outdated rule. How would you like to recruit, and tell players they can't go to the NCAA, even if they win the conference. Hell, until this year, those schools couldn't go to the WAC Tourney, and even now they have to wait two years, but still no NCAA. If CBU won the WAC Tourney this year, they deserve to go to the NCAA. Nobody gave them the wins.

I don't know the entire situation at CBU, but they had something like 7-9 kids in the transfer portal. Are some looking for more playing time? Yes. Do some hate the coach and want to leave? Probably. I'm sure some kids came back too. But, how you feel, if other schools preyed on your best players with the caveat of playing in the NCAA. Those three WAC schools, can't do anything about that.

Maybe the WAC could sponsor a rule change to allow D2 schools to go to the NCAA immediately, if they win their conference tourney.

It might be stupid and outdated, but that’s the rule and D2 teams moving up, agree to do it. There’s laws and rules that limit options based on age, education, and so on. GCU did it. CBU is half way there, Tarleton and Dixie will complete theirs before you realize it.

(10-30-2020 06:18 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 06:00 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 10:13 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 09:23 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 08:06 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  That link included a link to a story about West Texas A&M. They have been mentioned as a D2 school that could move up and be competitive.

What I found most interesting, is that both TSU and WT used the some firm to study the move to D1. 18 months later TSU joined the WAC. It's been 18 months since WT did their D1 study.

https://sportsenthusiasts.net/2020/10/01...ivision-i/

Presuming WT did move up, that would put pressure on the other LSC schools to either move up as well or find a new football conference.

I think so. Once the WAC gets to 8, it can be more selective if/when it wants to grow beyond that. WTAMU, Angelo, MSU and UTPB are the best D2 moveup options from the LSC. But also, the SLC will need to backfill if SFA, Sam, ACU and Lamar leave. Kingsville and Commerce would fit in there nicely. LSC will court MHB, Texas Wesleyan, and Wayland Baptist, and St. Mary's is supposedly starting up football again.

Which is the school that NFL HOFer, Darrell Green went to? It was called Texas A&I!

Changing A&I to TAMUK was a mistake, in my opinion. A&I had some name recognition and tradition behind it.

Agreed. That is why Tarleton is not Texas A&M-Stephenville. Nor will it ever be.

(10-30-2020 05:08 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 04:48 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 04:35 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 12:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 11:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  I agrees with the assessment, but honestly, the SLC is a rock bottom conference. About 30 out of 32, so they already have a mouth so full of dust, no more will fit.

SFA has won 2 first round games coming out of the SLC. If the SLC is rock bottom, what is the WAC?

I’m getting tired of your posts. I have always rooted for SU and saw some potential there. Now I can’t wait to kick SU butt.

Not saying anything untrue or personal towards NMSU. The WAC hasn’t won a 1st round game since the 2007 Tournament. NMSU didn’t lose all those games. Hard to call the SLC a “rock bottom conference” when they have better results when it counts. Just having a hard time figuring out why the SLC teams would join the WAC during a pandemic. Unless there’s some “golden ticket” to FBS, it doesn’t make sense to me.

The only thing I can think of other than"FBS golden ticket" is improving in competition with other schools in the 200s on down.

Trading games that alumni and fans can attend for maybe marginally better power numbers is a good idea? If you’re a fan of Sam Houston St, you would rather trade road games with Incarnate Word and Houston Baptist for games with Tarleton and UTRGV??? Games with McNeese St and Northwestern St for Utah Valley and Dixie St???

(10-30-2020 06:34 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 05:57 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 04:34 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 03:12 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-29-2020 03:03 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Spot on. Plus the article does not mention basketball. I think we can all agree that:
1. The WAC is a better basketball league than the SLC.
2. Adding SFA to the WAC will only strengthen basketball. I'm not saying a 2 bid league necessarily, but the WAC would get that much better.

If you want to talk FB, being FBS ups the P5 payout from the $250-500 range (FCS) to $1-2M (FBS).

There is no difference between a weak 1 bid league and a “strong” 1 bid league.

There is a difference in tournament seeding. A strong one-bid mid-major team has a better chance at winning a game in the NCAA tournament than a "weak "one-bid conference team. At one time, the WCC used to be a one-bid conference. But over time Gonzaga pulled up the rest of the conference to the point that now the WCC can get two teams into the NCAA tournament most years. It takes time but it also takes teams who can set a high bar. NMSU has set the current bar. But in time, GCU, CBU, (and SFA if they join) can push NMSU to set a higher bar if they want to remain the alpha in the conference.

For CBU, Dixie, and Tarleton they can't make the NCAA for four years after they moved to D1. That's a stupid outdated rule. How would you like to recruit, and tell players they can't go to the NCAA, even if they win the conference. Hell, until this year, those schools couldn't go to the WAC Tourney, and even now they have to wait two years, but still no NCAA. If CBU won the WAC Tourney this year, they deserve to go to the NCAA. Nobody gave them the wins.

I don't know the entire situation at CBU, but they had something like 7-9 kids in the transfer portal. Are some looking for more playing time? Yes. Do some hate the coach and want to leave? Probably. I'm sure some kids came back too. But, how you feel, if other schools preyed on your best players with the caveat of playing in the NCAA. Those three WAC schools, can't do anything about that.

Maybe the WAC could sponsor a rule change to allow D2 schools to go to the NCAA immediately, if they win their conference tourney.

It might be stupid and outdated, but that’s the rule and D2 teams moving up, agree to do it. There’s laws and rules that limit options based on age, education, and so on. GCU did it. CBU is half way there, Tarleton and Dixie will complete theirs before you realize it.

Don't be an idiot. Rules change every year. There was a time schools couldn't pay for summer school. But, now it's common place. There used to be a 5/8 and then a 5/9 rule- five new players per year and no more than 8 new players every two years. Then they raised it to 9 over two years. Then they went to the APR and did away with a stupid outdated rule.

(10-30-2020 06:41 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 05:08 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 04:48 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 04:35 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 12:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  SFA has won 2 first round games coming out of the SLC. If the SLC is rock bottom, what is the WAC?

I’m getting tired of your posts. I have always rooted for SU and saw some potential there. Now I can’t wait to kick SU butt.

Not saying anything untrue or personal towards NMSU. The WAC hasn’t won a 1st round game since the 2007 Tournament. NMSU didn’t lose all those games. Hard to call the SLC a “rock bottom conference” when they have better results when it counts. Just having a hard time figuring out why the SLC teams would join the WAC during a pandemic. Unless there’s some “golden ticket” to FBS, it doesn’t make sense to me.

The only thing I can think of other than"FBS golden ticket" is improving in competition with other schools in the 200s on down.

Trading games that alumni and fans can attend for maybe marginally better power numbers is a good idea? If you’re a fan of Sam Houston St, you would rather trade road games with Incarnate Word and Houston Baptist for games with Tarleton and UTRGV??? Games with McNeese St and Northwestern St for Utah Valley and Dixie St???

Odd, I never said it was a good idea. Just pointing out those are probably the only two reasons for a move. I also don't recall saying that those schools would or should make the change.

(10-30-2020 06:41 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 05:08 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 04:48 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 04:35 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(10-30-2020 12:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  SFA has won 2 first round games coming out of the SLC. If the SLC is rock bottom, what is the WAC?

I’m getting tired of your posts. I have always rooted for SU and saw some potential there. Now I can’t wait to kick SU butt.

Not saying anything untrue or personal towards NMSU. The WAC hasn’t won a 1st round game since the 2007 Tournament. NMSU didn’t lose all those games. Hard to call the SLC a “rock bottom conference” when they have better results when it counts. Just having a hard time figuring out why the SLC teams would join the WAC during a pandemic. Unless there’s some “golden ticket” to FBS, it doesn’t make sense to me.

The only thing I can think of other than"FBS golden ticket" is improving in competition with other schools in the 200s on down.

Trading games that alumni and fans can attend for maybe marginally better power numbers is a good idea? If you’re a fan of Sam Houston St, you would rather trade road games with Incarnate Word and Houston Baptist for games with Tarleton and UTRGV??? Games with McNeese St and Northwestern St for Utah Valley and Dixie St???

Maybe so. I'm not a Sam fan, so I can't speak for them. Alumni and fans will travel or they won't. If I am honest, I'm just as likely to travel to Conway Arkansas as I am to Orem Utah..... not at all.

Being away from my alma mater, I will go back go campus, to a rivalry game and/or I will pick a destination game. The rest is happening online.

Assuming they came over, they are keeping the rivalry with SFA. If they want games in front of alumni, they can schedule ooc games in Houston, DFW, or the Austin/San Antonio corridor. There are no shortage teams in these markets.