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RE: WAC get's 10th member - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
(10-14-2020 10:10 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  For those that are interested, people are questioning Matt Brown and say he has predicted a lot of things in the recent past and none of them have come to pass (sounds like someone else I know). Not sure if any of this is true or not, but thought I would share anyways.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825-page-11.html

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The Great State of New Mexico Wind Bag

The TSU President was the first person to mention that the WAC will add a school. Brown was the guy who broke the news about SUU. Of course, he has something to sell, subscriptions to his newsletter. Has all this gotten him more subscriptions? Not sure, since I've only heard of him once this story broke. But, he has recently tweeted about subscribing to his newsletter.

With the TSU President breaking the news, I have no doubt the WAC will add a 10th member. The two questions are, who will that member be, and will others come along.
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(10-14-2020 01:49 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 10:10 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  For those that are interested, people are questioning Matt Brown and say he has predicted a lot of things in the recent past and none of them have come to pass (sounds like someone else I know). Not sure if any of this is true or not, but thought I would share anyways.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825-page-11.html

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The Great State of New Mexico Wind Bag

The TSU President was the first person to mention that the WAC will add a school. Brown was the guy who broke the news about SUU. Of course, he has something to sell, subscriptions to his newsletter. Has all this gotten him more subscriptions? Not sure, since I've only heard of him once this story broke. But, he has recently tweeted about subscribing to his newsletter.

With the TSU President breaking the news, I have no doubt the WAC will add a 10th member. The two questions are, who will that member be, and will others come along.

Hilldog, I am very familiar with how we got to this point. Most of what you have said is accurate. The reason I am throwing water on this flame is all the nonsense people are spewing. Even people who I think are pretty intelligent and knowledgeable are getting caught up in the foolishness and starting to throw things around that are pure speculation. I said "most" of what you said is accurate for a reason.

The TSU president said the WAC "voted a new member on". In my mind, that could mean at least a couple of things. One, they voted to extend an offer. Two, they voted to induct a new member. Even if it is the latter, voting a new member in and a new member agreeing/accepting the invitation are 2 different things. I would not say that the WAC is adding a 10th member with 100% certainty. I'm pretty sure the WAC "voted" to add Colorado Mesa in 2018 and they turned down the WAC.

The NMSU AD seemed to acknowledge that the school being mentioned by the TSU AD was, in fact, SUU. That's a reasonable assumption, but again, it is just speculation on my part.
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(10-14-2020 03:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 01:49 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 10:10 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  For those that are interested, people are questioning Matt Brown and say he has predicted a lot of things in the recent past and none of them have come to pass (sounds like someone else I know). Not sure if any of this is true or not, but thought I would share anyways.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825-page-11.html

Sincerely,
The Great State of New Mexico Wind Bag

The TSU President was the first person to mention that the WAC will add a school. Brown was the guy who broke the news about SUU. Of course, he has something to sell, subscriptions to his newsletter. Has all this gotten him more subscriptions? Not sure, since I've only heard of him once this story broke. But, he has recently tweeted about subscribing to his newsletter.

With the TSU President breaking the news, I have no doubt the WAC will add a 10th member. The two questions are, who will that member be, and will others come along.

Hilldog, I am very familiar with how we got to this point. Most of what you have said is accurate. The reason I am throwing water on this flame is all the nonsense people are spewing. Even people who I think are pretty intelligent and knowledgeable are getting caught up in the foolishness and starting to throw things around that are pure speculation. I said "most" of what you said is accurate for a reason.

The TSU president said the WAC "voted a new member on". In my mind, th:rock:at could mean at least a couple of things. One, they voted to extend an offer. Two, they voted to induct a new member. Even if it is the latter, voting a new member in and a new member agreeing/accepting the invitation are 2 different things. I would not say that the WAC is adding a 10th member with 100% certainty. I'm pretty sure the WAC "voted" to add Colorado Mesa in 2018 and they turned down the WAC.

The NMSU AD seemed to acknowledge that the school being mentioned by the TSU AD was, in fact, SUU. That's a reasonable assumption, but again, it is just speculation on my part.

Why would the TSU prez say they “voted a new member on” if a school wasn’t joining? Without inside knowledge, I am 100% sure that the WAC has discussed every “logical” school to some degree. I don’t think they vote on every school, nor would a president mention it, unless it was something significant.
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RE: WAC get's 10th member - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
(10-14-2020 03:44 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 03:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 01:49 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 10:10 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  For those that are interested, people are questioning Matt Brown and say he has predicted a lot of things in the recent past and none of them have come to pass (sounds like someone else I know). Not sure if any of this is true or not, but thought I would share anyways.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825-page-11.html

Sincerely,
The Great State of New Mexico Wind Bag

The TSU President was the first person to mention that the WAC will add a school. Brown was the guy who broke the news about SUU. Of course, he has something to sell, subscriptions to his newsletter. Has all this gotten him more subscriptions? Not sure, since I've only heard of him once this story broke. But, he has recently tweeted about subscribing to his newsletter.

With the TSU President breaking the news, I have no doubt the WAC will add a 10th member. The two questions are, who will that member be, and will others come along.

Hilldog, I am very familiar with how we got to this point. Most of what you have said is accurate. The reason I am throwing water on this flame is all the nonsense people are spewing. Even people who I think are pretty intelligent and knowledgeable are getting caught up in the foolishness and starting to throw things around that are pure speculation. I said "most" of what you said is accurate for a reason.

The TSU president said the WAC "voted a new member on". In my mind, th:rock:at could mean at least a couple of things. One, they voted to extend an offer. Two, they voted to induct a new member. Even if it is the latter, voting a new member in and a new member agreeing/accepting the invitation are 2 different things. I would not say that the WAC is adding a 10th member with 100% certainty. I'm pretty sure the WAC "voted" to add Colorado Mesa in 2018 and they turned down the WAC.

The NMSU AD seemed to acknowledge that the school being mentioned by the TSU AD was, in fact, SUU. That's a reasonable assumption, but again, it is just speculation on my part.

Why would the TSU prez say they “voted a new member on” if a school wasn’t joining? Without inside knowledge, I am 100% sure that the WAC has discussed every “logical” school to some degree. I don’t think they vote on every school, nor would a president mention it, unless it was something significant.

I think a good parallel might be a home sale transaction.

There are multiple steps.
The house is listed.
An offer is made.
The offer is accepted, subject to . . .
There is a home inspection.
Financing is arranged.

Assuming nothing goes wrong, the sale finally is closed and the transaction recorded.

We are somewhere between "the offer is made" and "closing."

Time will tell who it is.
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RE: WAC get's 10th member - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
(10-14-2020 05:07 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 03:44 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 03:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 01:49 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 10:10 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  For those that are interested, people are questioning Matt Brown and say he has predicted a lot of things in the recent past and none of them have come to pass (sounds like someone else I know). Not sure if any of this is true or not, but thought I would share anyways.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825-page-11.html

Sincerely,
The Great State of New Mexico Wind Bag

The TSU President was the first person to mention that the WAC will add a school. Brown was the guy who broke the news about SUU. Of course, he has something to sell, subscriptions to his newsletter. Has all this gotten him more subscriptions? Not sure, since I've only heard of him once this story broke. But, he has recently tweeted about subscribing to his newsletter.

With the TSU President breaking the news, I have no doubt the WAC will add a 10th member. The two questions are, who will that member be, and will others come along.

Hilldog, I am very familiar with how we got to this point. Most of what you have said is accurate. The reason I am throwing water on this flame is all the nonsense people are spewing. Even people who I think are pretty intelligent and knowledgeable are getting caught up in the foolishness and starting to throw things around that are pure speculation. I said "most" of what you said is accurate for a reason.

The TSU president said the WAC "voted a new member on". In my mind, th:rock:at could mean at least a couple of things. One, they voted to extend an offer. Two, they voted to induct a new member. Even if it is the latter, voting a new member in and a new member agreeing/accepting the invitation are 2 different things. I would not say that the WAC is adding a 10th member with 100% certainty. I'm pretty sure the WAC "voted" to add Colorado Mesa in 2018 and they turned down the WAC.

The NMSU AD seemed to acknowledge that the school being mentioned by the TSU AD was, in fact, SUU. That's a reasonable assumption, but again, it is just speculation on my part.

Why would the TSU prez say they “voted a new member on” if a school wasn’t joining? Without inside knowledge, I am 100% sure that the WAC has discussed every “logical” school to some degree. I don’t think they vote on every school, nor would a president mention it, unless it was something significant.

I think a good parallel might be a home sale transaction.

There are multiple steps.
The house is listed.
An offer is made.
The offer is accepted, subject to . . .
There is a home inspection.
Financing is arranged.

Assuming nothing goes wrong, the sale finally is closed and the transaction recorded.

We are somewhere between "the offer is made" and "closing."

Time will tell who it is.

Yes, the announcement is sitting In Escrow 04-cheers
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(10-14-2020 10:10 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  For those that are interested, people are questioning Matt Brown and say he has predicted a lot of things in the recent past and none of them have come to pass (sounds like someone else I know). Not sure if any of this is true or not, but thought I would share anyways.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825-page-11.html

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The Great State of New Mexico Wind Bag

To be fair to Matt Brown, the comments that the other poster mentioned in the linked article aren’t exactly true.

He never made any predictions of conference realignment in the CAA or C-USA. He merely indicated that various ADs had mentioned the CAA is looking to expand.

He has been consistent in stating SUU— and never swapped SUU out for a SLC school. He has since added that he’s hearing SUU, as well as a SLC school, are likely to be added. Further, I know DavidSt isn’t likely too keen on his WAC reports because Brown never mentioned the WAC has a current desire of FBS football.. just FCS. Also, in his articles he doesn’t believe West Texas A&M is making the jump right now.

So again.. it’s not like he’s thrown out a lot of random statements about realignment like the poster suggested. I actually did subscribe to his articles after reading about the WAC news, and can’t find anything to validate that allegation. Now if he starts going all total random, hypothetical realignment mode like this thread has gone I’ll be the first to admit I was duped! Until then, he hasn’t provided any reason to doubt his report.
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RE: WAC get's 10th member - for real (Official Discussion Thread)
(10-14-2020 03:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 01:49 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 10:10 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  For those that are interested, people are questioning Matt Brown and say he has predicted a lot of things in the recent past and none of them have come to pass (sounds like someone else I know). Not sure if any of this is true or not, but thought I would share anyways.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825-page-11.html

Sincerely,
The Great State of New Mexico Wind Bag

The TSU President was the first person to mention that the WAC will add a school. Brown was the guy who broke the news about SUU. Of course, he has something to sell, subscriptions to his newsletter. Has all this gotten him more subscriptions? Not sure, since I've only heard of him once this story broke. But, he has recently tweeted about subscribing to his newsletter.

With the TSU President breaking the news, I have no doubt the WAC will add a 10th member. The two questions are, who will that member be, and will others come along.

Hilldog, I am very familiar with how we got to this point. Most of what you have said is accurate. The reason I am throwing water on this flame is all the nonsense people are spewing. Even people who I think are pretty intelligent and knowledgeable are getting caught up in the foolishness and starting to throw things around that are pure speculation. I said "most" of what you said is accurate for a reason.

The TSU president said the WAC "voted a new member on". In my mind, that could mean at least a couple of things. One, they voted to extend an offer. Two, they voted to induct a new member. Even if it is the latter, voting a new member in and a new member agreeing/accepting the invitation are 2 different things. I would not say that the WAC is adding a 10th member with 100% certainty. I'm pretty sure the WAC "voted" to add Colorado Mesa in 2018 and they turned down the WAC.

The NMSU AD seemed to acknowledge that the school being mentioned by the TSU AD was, in fact, SUU. That's a reasonable assumption, but again, it is just speculation on my part.

He also said the announcement will be made within a week or so. So, the WAC isn't going to announce they invited a school, without being 100% sure that school will accept the invitation!

A few years back the Big West voted no on UC San Diego, because their students still hadn't voted to go to, and pay for, the move to D1. Even though the BW wanted UCSD badly. If the students voted no, it would look bad for the BW.

I don't remember Colorado Mesa being voted upon. Asked? Of course! Just like the WAC asked Metro St.
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(10-14-2020 06:49 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 03:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 01:49 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 10:10 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  For those that are interested, people are questioning Matt Brown and say he has predicted a lot of things in the recent past and none of them have come to pass (sounds like someone else I know). Not sure if any of this is true or not, but thought I would share anyways.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825-page-11.html

Sincerely,
The Great State of New Mexico Wind Bag

The TSU President was the first person to mention that the WAC will add a school. Brown was the guy who broke the news about SUU. Of course, he has something to sell, subscriptions to his newsletter. Has all this gotten him more subscriptions? Not sure, since I've only heard of him once this story broke. But, he has recently tweeted about subscribing to his newsletter.

With the TSU President breaking the news, I have no doubt the WAC will add a 10th member. The two questions are, who will that member be, and will others come along.

Hilldog, I am very familiar with how we got to this point. Most of what you have said is accurate. The reason I am throwing water on this flame is all the nonsense people are spewing. Even people who I think are pretty intelligent and knowledgeable are getting caught up in the foolishness and starting to throw things around that are pure speculation. I said "most" of what you said is accurate for a reason.

The TSU president said the WAC "voted a new member on". In my mind, that could mean at least a couple of things. One, they voted to extend an offer. Two, they voted to induct a new member. Even if it is the latter, voting a new member in and a new member agreeing/accepting the invitation are 2 different things. I would not say that the WAC is adding a 10th member with 100% certainty. I'm pretty sure the WAC "voted" to add Colorado Mesa in 2018 and they turned down the WAC.

The NMSU AD seemed to acknowledge that the school being mentioned by the TSU AD was, in fact, SUU. That's a reasonable assumption, but again, it is just speculation on my part.

He also said the announcement will be made within a week or so. So, the WAC isn't going to announce they invited a school, without being 100% sure that school will accept the invitation!

A few years back the Big West voted no on UC San Diego, because their students still hadn't voted to go to, and pay for, the move to D1. Even though the BW wanted UCSD badly. If the students voted no, it would look bad for the BW.

I don't remember Colorado Mesa being voted upon. Asked? Of course! Just like the WAC asked Metro St.

With regard to D2 programs, the WAC simply asks if there is interest in moving to D1? This usually triggers a feasibility study by the school. Depending on the expenditure results and booster backing it is either a yay or nay.
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(10-14-2020 05:07 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 03:44 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 03:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 01:49 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-14-2020 10:10 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  For those that are interested, people are questioning Matt Brown and say he has predicted a lot of things in the recent past and none of them have come to pass (sounds like someone else I know). Not sure if any of this is true or not, but thought I would share anyways.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-907825-page-11.html

Sincerely,
The Great State of New Mexico Wind Bag

The TSU President was the first person to mention that the WAC will add a school. Brown was the guy who broke the news about SUU. Of course, he has something to sell, subscriptions to his newsletter. Has all this gotten him more subscriptions? Not sure, since I've only heard of him once this story broke. But, he has recently tweeted about subscribing to his newsletter.

With the TSU President breaking the news, I have no doubt the WAC will add a 10th member. The two questions are, who will that member be, and will others come along.

Hilldog, I am very familiar with how we got to this point. Most of what you have said is accurate. The reason I am throwing water on this flame is all the nonsense people are spewing. Even people who I think are pretty intelligent and knowledgeable are getting caught up in the foolishness and starting to throw things around that are pure speculation. I said "most" of what you said is accurate for a reason.

The TSU president said the WAC "voted a new member on". In my mind, th:rock:at could mean at least a couple of things. One, they voted to extend an offer. Two, they voted to induct a new member. Even if it is the latter, voting a new member in and a new member agreeing/accepting the invitation are 2 different things. I would not say that the WAC is adding a 10th member with 100% certainty. I'm pretty sure the WAC "voted" to add Colorado Mesa in 2018 and they turned down the WAC.

The NMSU AD seemed to acknowledge that the school being mentioned by the TSU AD was, in fact, SUU. That's a reasonable assumption, but again, it is just speculation on my part.

Why would the TSU prez say they “voted a new member on” if a school wasn’t joining? Without inside knowledge, I am 100% sure that the WAC has discussed every “logical” school to some degree. I don’t think they vote on every school, nor would a president mention it, unless it was something significant.

I think a good parallel might be a home sale transaction.

There are multiple steps.
The house is listed.
An offer is made.
The offer is accepted, subject to . . .
There is a home inspection.
Financing is arranged.

Assuming nothing goes wrong, the sale finally is closed and the transaction recorded.

We are somewhere between "the offer is made" and "closing."

Time will tell who it is.

Great stuff. You said what I was trying to say. There are multiple steps in the process and things can go astray at any step
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West Texas A&M's AD McBroom's Interview On Podcast Mentioning The State Of D2, Moving To D1

This is the podcast where McBroom said that West Texas A&M is unhappy with D2, and talking about a move to D1. He also named several powerhouse D2 football schools also not happy as well. Tarleton State's AD talked about other D2 schools that could follow them up when they got invited. West Texas A&M could be the floodgate for the larger D2 football schools to move up. We might see schools in other areas that may fill the Summitt, Michigan schools to FCS, Missouri schools and so forth. So, it could be either SUU or West Texas A&M gets the invite. My bet would be 4 more D2 schools get invited before getting other FCS schools get invited.
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(10-13-2020 12:40 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 04:00 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  Cost containment is the key according to Brown. So, why would any Southland school want to come to the WAC? ACU is the western most SLC school. They can drive to all their games. They would have to fly to CBU, Chicago and Seattle. They could drive to UTRGV, TSU, NMSU, maybe GCU. NMSU prevents them from going to the NCAA tourney.

ACU is 500 miles from Las Cruces. The Southland has five Louisiana schools and one school in Arkansas. The drive to New Orleans is almost 700 miles from Abilene. For the private schools, it is not about cost containment. It is about putting yourself in a position for better national recognition. UIW has a vision statement they put out in their 2019-2020 handbook.

UIW Athletics Vision Statement: The vision of UIW athletics is to become a premiere Division 1 Catholic institution, recognized nationally. The Southland was a vehicle to get to D1 for both ACU and UIW. The WAC would be a step up from there. Playing Central Arkansas, Northwestern Louisiana, Southeastern Louisiana, is not getting them to the next level. Schools like Seattle, Grand Canyon, and California Baptist are private schools in large TV markets. Seattle academically is the kind of school you want to be hanging out with and GCU and CBU will spare no expense to achieve success. NMSU is athletically and academically a good school to be a partner with.

Are you saying that private schools aren't cutting sports and implementing furloughs? No school has unlimited or recession/covid proof resources. Stanford dropped 10 sports. If Stanford dropping sports, of course UIW or ACU are going to be effected by covid. From a basketball standpoint, they would move up to a tougher conference, but would only split the pie with 10 other schools, assuming SUU comes in.

You can say ACU is in the middle, they could be an "eastern" school of a western conference or a western school of an "eastern" conference.
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(10-17-2020 11:04 AM)Hilldog Wrote:  
(10-13-2020 12:40 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2020 04:00 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  Cost containment is the key according to Brown. So, why would any Southland school want to come to the WAC? ACU is the western most SLC school. They can drive to all their games. They would have to fly to CBU, Chicago and Seattle. They could drive to UTRGV, TSU, NMSU, maybe GCU. NMSU prevents them from going to the NCAA tourney.

ACU is 500 miles from Las Cruces. The Southland has five Louisiana schools and one school in Arkansas. The drive to New Orleans is almost 700 miles from Abilene. For the private schools, it is not about cost containment. It is about putting yourself in a position for better national recognition. UIW has a vision statement they put out in their 2019-2020 handbook.

UIW Athletics Vision Statement: The vision of UIW athletics is to become a premiere Division 1 Catholic institution, recognized nationally. The Southland was a vehicle to get to D1 for both ACU and UIW. The WAC would be a step up from there. Playing Central Arkansas, Northwestern Louisiana, Southeastern Louisiana, is not getting them to the next level. Schools like Seattle, Grand Canyon, and California Baptist are private schools in large TV markets. Seattle academically is the kind of school you want to be hanging out with and GCU and CBU will spare no expense to achieve success. NMSU is athletically and academically a good school to be a partner with.

Are you saying that private schools aren't cutting sports and implementing furloughs? No school has unlimited or recession/covid proof resources. Stanford dropped 10 sports. If Stanford dropping sports, of course UIW or ACU are going to be effected by covid. From a basketball standpoint, they would move up to a tougher conference, but would only split the pie with 10 other schools, assuming SUU comes in.

You can say ACU is in the middle, they could be an "eastern" school of a western conference or a western school of an "eastern" conference.

I have no dog in the fight or knowledge of ACU or UIWs perspective but it seems like from a neutral view that as things stand now it would be a no brainer move for them to stay put in the Southland. Ive read a lot of comments saying that they would expand their brand exposure and reach by going to Cali, AZ, et al. But i dont see it.
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(10-17-2020 11:04 AM)Hilldog Wrote:  Are you saying that private schools aren't cutting sports and implementing furloughs? No school has unlimited or recession/covid proof resources. Stanford dropped 10 sports. If Stanford dropping sports, of course UIW or ACU are going to be effected by covid. From a basketball standpoint, they would move up to a tougher conference, but would only split the pie with 10 other schools, assuming SUU comes in.

You can say ACU is in the middle, they could be an "eastern" school of a western conference or a western school of an "eastern" conference.

Any school that leaves the SLC for the WAC will be spending more money. So, if ACU and UIW were to join the WAC, they would be joining a conference that spends more on athletics, particularly basketball. This is an example of the spending from the 2018-2019 athletic basketball budgets:

GCU - $5.3 million
NMSU - $3.0 million
Seattle - $2.6 million
CBU - $2.5 million
UIW - $1.37 million
ACU - $1.1 million

In the SLC, only SFA at $2.0 million and Texas A&M Corpus Christi at $1.9 million had bigger basketball budget than UIW. If UIW and ACU were to decide to leave the SLC, then they would be spending more to keep up with the WAC's three private schools and NMSU. Obviously, there would also be some additional travel involved. CBU will surpass NMSU in basketball spending in the next year or two.

Moving football to a new WAC football conference would involve some additional travel expenses, but overall not a lot more spending on FCS football. It is just another FCS conference, which is needed.

in 2018-2019, ACU won the SLC Conference Championship in basketball with that $1.1 million dollar budget, going 27-7 for the season. Their Net ranking was the best in the conference at 154 and the SLC was ranked 30th and of 32 conferences in Net Ranking. The WAC was 16th out of 32 conferences. NMSU had a Net ranking of 40, UVU was 90th and GCU 96th. There is a ceiling in the SLC in basketball. A move to join the three WAC private schools and NMSU makes sense for UIW and ACU but they have to be willing to spend more money. This would not be a cost-cutting move.

On the subject of Stanford, it is a matter of priorities for them. In 2019-2020, they had a $27.7 billion dollar endowment and a budget of $6.8 billion, of which $1.3 billion came from the endowment. Cutting from 36 varsity sports to 25 varsity sports, while surprising, saved them $70 million over the next three years. Covid-19 cost them a lot of revenue and they felt they had to make the cuts to be able to balance their operating budget. But it is not like they don't have money and with 25 varsity sports, they still have more varsity teams than most schools.

https://facts.stanford.edu/administration/finances/
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I never put Incarnate Word or Abilene Christian on the list to the WAC because of the money issues. Lamar, Sam Houston State and SFAU may go to the WAC to actually attract some good football players out of California since the California schools got too cheap to keep their football programs. I just do not see SUU to the WAC since they do not have the money for the image to go bigger in football.
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(10-19-2020 01:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 11:04 AM)Hilldog Wrote:  Are you saying that private schools aren't cutting sports and implementing furloughs? No school has unlimited or recession/covid proof resources. Stanford dropped 10 sports. If Stanford dropping sports, of course UIW or ACU are going to be effected by covid. From a basketball standpoint, they would move up to a tougher conference, but would only split the pie with 10 other schools, assuming SUU comes in.

You can say ACU is in the middle, they could be an "eastern" school of a western conference or a western school of an "eastern" conference.

Any school that leaves the SLC for the WAC will be spending more money. So, if ACU and UIW were to join the WAC, they would be joining a conference that spends more on athletics, particularly basketball. This is an example of the spending from the 2018-2019 athletic basketball budgets:

GCU - $5.3 million
NMSU - $3.0 million
Seattle - $2.6 million
CBU - $2.5 million
UIW - $1.37 million
ACU - $1.1 million

In the SLC, only SFA at $2.0 million and Texas A&M Corpus Christi at $1.9 million had bigger basketball budget than UIW. If UIW and ACU were to decide to leave the SLC, then they would be spending more to keep up with the WAC's three private schools and NMSU. Obviously, there would also be some additional travel involved. CBU will surpass NMSU in basketball spending in the next year or two.

Moving football to a new WAC football conference would involve some additional travel expenses, but overall not a lot more spending on FCS football. It is just another FCS conference, which is needed.

in 2018-2019, ACU won the SLC Conference Championship in basketball with that $1.1 million dollar budget, going 27-7 for the season. Their Net ranking was the best in the conference at 154 and the SLC was ranked 30th and of 32 conferences in Net Ranking. The WAC was 16th out of 32 conferences. NMSU had a Net ranking of 40, UVU was 90th and GCU 96th. There is a ceiling in the SLC in basketball. A move to join the three WAC private schools and NMSU makes sense for UIW and ACU but they have to be willing to spend more money. This would not be a cost-cutting move.

On the subject of Stanford, it is a matter of priorities for them. In 2019-2020, they had a $27.7 billion dollar endowment and a budget of $6.8 billion, of which $1.3 billion came from the endowment. Cutting from 36 varsity sports to 25 varsity sports, while surprising, saved them $70 million over the next three years. Covid-19 cost them a lot of revenue and they felt they had to make the cuts to be able to balance their operating budget. But it is not like they don't have money and with 25 varsity sports, they still have more varsity teams than most schools.

https://facts.stanford.edu/administration/finances/

The splitting the pie comment was about NCAA money divided between what would be a 10 team WAC with SUU and one of the private SLC members. Right now, they split with 12 other schools in the SLC.

I don't know if ACU or UIW have the resources to make a move to the WAC. You assumed by your earlier post, they do. We'll have to wait and see if they do decide to make the move to a tougher conference, and willing to spend more money on athletics.
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(10-19-2020 01:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-17-2020 11:04 AM)Hilldog Wrote:  Are you saying that private schools aren't cutting sports and implementing furloughs? No school has unlimited or recession/covid proof resources. Stanford dropped 10 sports. If Stanford dropping sports, of course UIW or ACU are going to be effected by covid. From a basketball standpoint, they would move up to a tougher conference, but would only split the pie with 10 other schools, assuming SUU comes in.

You can say ACU is in the middle, they could be an "eastern" school of a western conference or a western school of an "eastern" conference.

Any school that leaves the SLC for the WAC will be spending more money. So, if ACU and UIW were to join the WAC, they would be joining a conference that spends more on athletics, particularly basketball. This is an example of the spending from the 2018-2019 athletic basketball budgets:

GCU - $5.3 million
NMSU - $3.0 million
Seattle - $2.6 million
CBU - $2.5 million
UIW - $1.37 million
ACU - $1.1 million

In the SLC, only SFA at $2.0 million and Texas A&M Corpus Christi at $1.9 million had bigger basketball budget than UIW. If UIW and ACU were to decide to leave the SLC, then they would be spending more to keep up with the WAC's three private schools and NMSU. Obviously, there would also be some additional travel involved. CBU will surpass NMSU in basketball spending in the next year or two.

Moving football to a new WAC football conference would involve some additional travel expenses, but overall not a lot more spending on FCS football. It is just another FCS conference, which is needed.

in 2018-2019, ACU won the SLC Conference Championship in basketball with that $1.1 million dollar budget, going 27-7 for the season. Their Net ranking was the best in the conference at 154 and the SLC was ranked 30th and of 32 conferences in Net Ranking. The WAC was 16th out of 32 conferences. NMSU had a Net ranking of 40, UVU was 90th and GCU 96th. There is a ceiling in the SLC in basketball. A move to join the three WAC private schools and NMSU makes sense for UIW and ACU but they have to be willing to spend more money. This would not be a cost-cutting move.

On the subject of Stanford, it is a matter of priorities for them. In 2019-2020, they had a $27.7 billion dollar endowment and a budget of $6.8 billion, of which $1.3 billion came from the endowment. Cutting from 36 varsity sports to 25 varsity sports, while surprising, saved them $70 million over the next three years. Covid-19 cost them a lot of revenue and they felt they had to make the cuts to be able to balance their operating budget. But it is not like they don't have money and with 25 varsity sports, they still have more varsity teams than most schools.

https://facts.stanford.edu/administration/finances/

Good info, Bob. These are the kind of posts I like. It's crazy to think that the WAC is a step up from anything, but from a basketball standpoint, you have clearly illustrated the WAC is better than the SLC. Really good stuff.
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This thread is dormant so I thought I would light a fire. BTW, I spoke to "someone in the know" last week and they mentioned that all this talk about a "school" coming to the WAC was really about more than one school coming over and that it was tied to football. So this jives with that.


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I was wondering if you or someone was going to post this tweet here. I think the WAC wants to expand but I'm having a problem reasoning out how these SLC schools needs align with Southern Utah's needs. I'm a little confused how this would work where everyone benefits? Just my uninformed opinion.
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(10-20-2020 03:21 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  I was wondering if you or someone was going to post this tweet here. I think the WAC wants to expand but I'm having a problem reasoning out how these SLC schools needs align with Southern Utah's needs. I'm a little confused how this would work where everyone benefits? Just my uninformed opinion.

I have no idea. I'm sure David Street will give us all the details. Plus, this is just an invite. IIRC, we invited Colorado Mesa and they said no.
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(10-20-2020 03:10 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  This thread is dormant so I thought I would light a fire. BTW, I spoke to "someone in the know" last week and they mentioned that all this talk about a "school" coming to the WAC was really about more than one school coming over and that it was tied to football. So this jives with that.



My post in this thread on October 3rd:

"Looking at a combination of factors — geography, stadium capacity, football attendance, arena capacity, basketball attendance, and athletic budget — I think the most appealing Southland additions would be ACU, SFA, Lamar and Sam Houston State."

Now that's weird.
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